The New Bond Suit

[Cl_Flushentityhero]

I assume that among our customization options in AP will be this level of tailoring . . .

 

http://www.latimes.com/features/lifestyle/...0,4098995.story

 

I mean, what if we want to look like Roger Moore Bond instead of Timothy Dalton Bond? Freedom to play the sort of character we want is *essential* in a RPG, including the freedom to be amazingly superficial.

 

That said, I'm sure Craig fares better with the ladies than I do, so whatever works.

[The Owner]

hope i can go see quantom of solace, btw... wasn't Pierce Brosnan a good Bond?

 

I thought so

 

 

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[Cl_Flushentityhero]

I thought Brosnan was great as Bond . . . After Goldeneye, I didn't think the Bond movies he was in were that great though.

[The Owner]

i really liked golden eye, it was actually really good in my opinion. I think quantom is 'spose to be bout bond wanting to take vengeance on some1, havent really seen enough to tell other than that. wat bond movies was brosnan in other than golden eye and die another day?

[Cl_Flushentityhero]

The world is not enough. I felt like Goldeneye was good, TWINE was okay, and Die Another Day was meh.

[Pidesco]

You're forgetting Tomorrow Never Dies.

[Cl_Flushentityhero]

Yes, my apologies, it *is* pretty forgettable

[Calax]

Pierce Brosnan faced mostly Business men when you look at it.

Goldeneye: a traitor

Tommarow never dies: a news magnate

TWINE: A Oil Magnate

Die Another Day: A Korena Col. **** Dimond magnate.

[Pidesco]

Yes, my apologies, it *is* pretty forgettable

 

It's better than Die Another Day. And Michelle Yeoh is made of awesome.

[Cl_Flushentityhero]

Yeah, I would include it in the progression from Goldeneye to Die Another Day. It was a palatable Bond flick, just not as cool as one where Sean Bean is the villain.

[mkreku]

I recently saw Quantum of Solace. Let's hope there's much less of that than Casino Royale in Alpha Protocol.. But I wouldn't mind if they based some of Thorton on Craig's depiction of Bond.

 

Quantum of Solace isn't really a Bond movie, it's just an ordinary action flick with someone named Bond. There are no gadgets, no Q, no spy activities (well, not in the old school kind), no humour, no silly one-liners, no promiscuity, no hiding in hollow crocodiles.. You can clearly tell it wasn't based on any of Fleming's books, even though it's supposed to be loosely based on one of Fleming's novels.

[Kelverin]

You can clearly tell it wasn't based on any of Fleming's books, even though it's supposed to be loosely based on one of Fleming's novels.

One of 5 short story's in the For Your Eyes Only book. The movie uses the title only and nothing about the story as written by Fleming.

 

From a View to a Kill

For Your Eyes Only

Quantum of Solace

Risico

The Hildebrand Rarity

[Pop]

Pierce Brosnan faced mostly Business men when you look at it.

Goldeneye: a traitor

Tommarow never dies: a news magnate

TWINE: A Oil Magnate

Die Another Day: A Korena Col. **** Dimond magnate.

That pattern hasn't changed. The last two Bond villains are basically rich European accountants.

[Cycloneman]

Quantum of Solace isn't really a Bond movie, it's just an ordinary action flick with someone named Bond. There are no gadgets, no Q, no spy activities (well, not in the old school kind), no humour, no silly one-liners, no promiscuity, no hiding in hollow crocodiles..

Uh...??? How did you come to this conclusion?

 

Spy Activities: "We are teachers on sabbatical, and we have just won the lottery." Not much different from his whole "I'm Bond, but the reservation is under [fake name]."

 

Humour: "We are teachers on sabbatical, and we have just won the lottery."

 

Silly One-Liners: "If they'd wanted his soul, they should have contacted a priest."

 

No promiscuity? Hello, Agent Fields (PS: Her first name is "Strawberry").

 

As to the "no Q or silly gadgets," come on. He's been a double-oh for like, two months now, tops.

Edited November 17, 2008 by Cycloneman

[Joseph Bulock]

I really enjoyed all the extras they threw in to remind the viewer that they were watching a Bond movie. Cycloneman pretty much got the best of them, and I thought they did a great job with make sure this one was a much more Bond-ish Bond film.

 

As to having no gadgets, I'm fine with that. They were always so contrived, and even the medical kit one felt a little too convenient in the last film.

[mkreku]

Spy Activities: "We are teachers on sabbatical, and we have just won the lottery." Not much different from his whole "I'm Bond, but the reservation is under [fake name]."

 

Humour: "We are teachers on sabbatical, and we have just won the lottery."

 

Silly One-Liners: "If they'd wanted his soul, they should have contacted a priest."

 

No promiscuity? Hello, Agent Fields (PS: Her first name is "Strawberry").

 

As to the "no Q or silly gadgets," come on. He's been a double-oh for like, two months now, tops.

This is pretty funny. You mention the spy activities as him signing into a hotel under a fake name/title AND the humour with the same example.. and those are probably the only ones worth mentioning in the entire movie! Besides, is it really a spy activity worth mentioning signing into a hotel under a fake name..? You need to rewatch the older Bonds, my friend.

 

The old Bond used his charm, flirted with girls and slept with them to get what he wanted. New Bond has slept with ONE girl since his dead girlfriend and you call that being promiscuous? And he doesn't really have time to flirt or charm his way through problems, he's too busy killing everyone. Which was cool in Casino Royale (seeing as he was new and rough), but I was hoping he'd have evolved into a smoother agent in the follow-up. Instead the opposite happened.

 

I saw Bulock thought Quantum of Solace is a more Bond-ish Bond film. Which is rather odd as it's the least Bond-ish Bond film I've seen. I'm not saying it's bad (because it's a good action movie), but I just can't see where you find the Bond in it.

[Kelverin]

As to having no gadgets, I'm fine with that. They were always so contrived, and even the medical kit one felt a little too convenient in the last film.

I agree. I don't miss Q Branch or the gadgets one bit.

[mkreku]

As to having no gadgets, I'm fine with that. They were always so contrived, and even the medical kit one felt a little too convenient in the last film.

I agree. I don't miss Q Branch or the gadgets one bit.

So you two are OK with Bond not doing what Bond usually does in his movies. That's OK with me. I just feel it's a bit sad that they can't balance the two roles of Bond and macho action hero better.

 

I guess this review sums up most of what I think of Quantum of Solace:

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...icle1730883.ece

[Cycloneman]

This is pretty funny. You mention the spy activities as him signing into a hotel under a fake name/title AND the humour with the same example.. and those are probably the only ones worth mentioning in the entire movie!

Yeah, that's the only time in the whole movie with humour. "Your mother?" "She likes to think so."

 

Or how about "Most of the time, when people say 'we have people everywhere,' it's just a figure of speech. I mean, florists say that."

 

He also impersonated a hitman and saved a damsel in distress without so much as an aggressive glare. He managed to find out who most of the participants were at a covert meeting.

 

This The old Bond used his charm, flirted with girls and slept with them to get what he wanted. New Bond has slept with ONE girl since his dead girlfriend and you call that being promiscuous? And he doesn't really have time to flirt or charm his way through problems, he's too busy killing everyone. Which was cool in Casino Royale (seeing as he was new and rough), but I was hoping he'd have evolved into a smoother agent in the follow-up. Instead the opposite happened.

The follow up takes place all of five minutes after the first movie. Surprise, Bond didn't become any more subtle in the five minutes since the woman he loved died. The protagonist isn't super-ultra-suave just after the woman he loved was killed, revealed to be a double agent, and manipulated by a super-evil super-secret organization (not necessarily in that order)? Surprise! Edited November 18, 2008 by Cycloneman

[Joseph Bulock]

Man, cycloneman keeps beating me to all of the follow-ups. Stupid cinematics taking up all my time...

[Calax]

I haven't seen quantum yet but I didn't really like the feel of Casino. the beginning struck me as unbond like given that usually instead of showing a no holds barred bathroom fight it would have just been left at the conversation between bond and his target.

[Ol'JB]

I know this comes really late on from the original comment but the Quantum of Solace short story is about Bond sitting in a bar drunk talking about love etc etc, rather like the scene with Mathis when he cant sleep so have they have included an element of the book -slightly-

Edited November 18, 2008 by Ol'JB

[mkreku]

This is pretty funny. You mention the spy activities as him signing into a hotel under a fake name/title AND the humour with the same example.. and those are probably the only ones worth mentioning in the entire movie!

Yeah, that's the only time in the whole movie with humour. "Your mother?" "She likes to think so."

 

Or how about "Most of the time, when people say 'we have people everywhere,' it's just a figure of speech. I mean, florists say that."

 

He also impersonated a hitman and saved a damsel in distress without so much as an aggressive glare. He managed to find out who most of the participants were at a covert meeting.

Yes.. Like I said, you mentioned the only one worth mentioning in the previous post.

 

This The old Bond used his charm, flirted with girls and slept with them to get what he wanted. New Bond has slept with ONE girl since his dead girlfriend and you call that being promiscuous? And he doesn't really have time to flirt or charm his way through problems, he's too busy killing everyone. Which was cool in Casino Royale (seeing as he was new and rough), but I was hoping he'd have evolved into a smoother agent in the follow-up. Instead the opposite happened.

The follow up takes place all of five minutes after the first movie. Surprise, Bond didn't become any more subtle in the five minutes since the woman he loved died. The protagonist isn't super-ultra-suave just after the woman he loved was killed, revealed to be a double agent, and manipulated by a super-evil super-secret organization (not necessarily in that order)? Surprise!

Are you trying to prove my point or yours..? I mean, all you've done here is confirm what I've said: there's no promiscuity anymore. He's not the Bond I dreamed of becoming when I was a little toddler anymore. I don't care about the reason for it. Would it be anymore unbelievable that he'd have a new girlfriend five minutes after his last one died than seeing him fall ten stories through a glass ceiling and walk away unscathed? I certainly don't think so.

[Kelverin]

I know this comes really late on from the original comment but the Quantum of Solace short story is about Bond sitting in a bar drunk talking about love etc etc, rather like the scene with Mathis when he cant sleep so have they have included an element of the book -slightly-

If by sliightly you mean Bond is in the story and there is drinking you are right.....other than that????????????

 

"Quantum of Solace" is not a spy story and James Bond appears only in the background. Told in the style of W Somerset Maugham, the tale has Bond attending a boring dinner party at the Government House in Nassau, Bahamas with a group of socialites he can't stand.

 

Bond makes a remark after dinner when the other guests have left in order to stimulate conversation, about always having thought it would be nice to marry an air hostess. This solicits a careful reply from the elderly Governor of The Bahamas who tells 007 a sad tale about a relationship between a former civil servant he calls Philip Masters, stationed in Bermuda, and air hostess Rhoda Llewellyn. After meeting aboard a flight to London the two eventually married but after a time Rhoda became unhappy with her life as a housewife. She then began a long open affair with the eldest son of a rich Bermudan family. As a result Masters' work deteriorated and he suffered a nervous breakdown. After recovering he was given a break from Bermuda by the governor and sent on an assignment to Washington to negotiate fishing rights with the US. At the same time the governor's wife had a talk with Rhoda just as her affair ended. Masters returned a few months later and decided to end his marriage, although he and Rhoda continued to appear as a happy couple in public. Masters returned alone to the UK, leaving a penniless Rhoda stranded in Bermuda, a cruel act which he would have been incapable of carrying out just a few months earlier. But Masters never recovered emotionally, nor recaptured any spark of vitality. The governor goes on to tell Bond how after a time Rhoda married a rich Canadian and seems to be happy. When Bond remarks that she hardly deserved her good fortune, the governor says that Masters had always been rather weak, and that perhaps Fate chose Rhoda as its instrument to teach him a lesson. The governor then reveals that the dinner companions whom Bond found so boring were in fact Rhoda and her rich Canadian husband. Bond then tells the governor Rhoda was much more interesting than he had thought.

 

While the story does not include action elements, as other Fleming tales do, it attempts to posit that Bond's adventures pale in comparison with real life drama. Bond reflects that the lives of the people he passes somewhat superficial judgements upon can in fact hide poignant episodes."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Your_Eyes...ory_collection)

[Cycloneman]

Yes.. Like I said, you mentioned the only one worth mentioning in the previous post.

Where's a sigh emoticon when you need one?

 

Are you trying to prove my point or yours..? I mean, all you've done here is confirm what I've said: there's no promiscuity anymore.

Oh no, he only sleeps with one girl for no good reason? That means there's no promiscuity!

 

He's not the Bond I dreamed of becoming when I was a little toddler anymore. I don't care about the reason for it. Would it be anymore unbelievable that he'd have a new girlfriend five minutes after his last one died than seeing him fall ten stories through a glass ceiling and walk away unscathed? I certainly don't think so.

Yes, it would. While Bond has a sort of pseudo-invulnerability, he's still a person. It ruins a story much more if the characters don't behave according to their previously established characterization, than if they happen to do things that might not be physically possible.