KotoR 3: Ideas, Suggestions, Discussion, Part 25

[Xard]

And in case I haven't been clear enough:

 

I don't see how this would preclude a K3.

 

In fact, I could see this set in the interim between K2 and K3, with interest in the rebuilding of the order, facing propulgating the "True Sith" threat to the Republic, etc. And K3 being the time when the real "war" breaks out.

 

Just like the prequels jumped 10 or more years between each one (whatever you think of them), K2 to K3 could jump a good chunk of time as well.

 

You guys just don't get it do you?

 

MMO's DO FEATURE STORIES. THEY TAKE THE STORY FORWARD

 

And MMO's go on for years. New patches and expansion packs give players more missions thus "advancing" the story forwards.

 

In upcoming Wrath of the Lich King player gets to tackle Arthas's plans and fight against him in a plot. It is exactly what would've happened if Warcraft 4 had been made instead of WoW. Only game type changed.

 

In MMO form plots are instances and missions.

 

You can bet True Sith Archsith's Citadel is the last crazy instance for level 80 party

 

 

You CAN'T pull enough stuff from crap like you mentioned for years to come.

 

However huge conflict a la Republic vs True Sith (plus other factions like Mandalorians and K1 sith fleet's remnants added in for flavour) can be kept going on for years.

 

 

Just take quick visit to WoWwiki and you can see how much storyline of Warcraft has gone forward during game's existence.

[RangerSG]

And as I said, nothing you said precludes continuing the story of Revan or the Exile. Which would not be served by an MMO.

 

Before you say "Deal with it" take other people's comments seriously. K3 and an MMO are different markets. I'll never, ever, pay a monthly subscription for a game. Period.

[Xard]

So what? People like us are minority.

 

No, it doesn't preclude per se. But makes it increasinly unlikely.

 

There's nothing in those two they can't do in MMO form already as you can see my response if you go and read it

[Xard]

*shrugs*

 

I disagree. I think there's plenty of plotline between that without having a single story. I think the market for a Revan/Exile continuation is definitely there. And it's not going to be satisfied by an MMO, since people have different ideas of what Revan and the Exile represent.

 

There's plenty of room for warfare in the time period I suggested, for instance, without touching what Revan or the Exile do.

 

Ermmm.... what?

 

Revan is already fitted in the same mold - thing that fights against TS

 

He has all his memories back so he's entirely different person than the one you played

 

Exile can be easily retconned or killed as well.

 

 

Please, people want kotor game. They don't want to see how their "ideas of Revan and Exile represent" are portrayed

 

 

And are you kiddin? Those two are in center of it all

 

Good instance bosses both if you play on True Sith side, har har

[RangerSG]

"Easily" retconning or killing PCs integral to the past series. I think not. The market for a KotOR MMO is those who know the lore and are interested in the series. At least long term. Killing the characters players know about will turn those people right off.

 

And having all his memories back does not mean he's out of the PC's hands. There's plenty of room for a major story before or after the time frame for a K3. I doubt it would have any serious impact on it at all...

 

Indeed, it could be positive impetus as easily as negative. If the game does well, it might motivate LA to spend the money and do the work to get K3 seriously moving, as it will demonstrate monetarily an interest in completing the story.

[Xard]

No, Kotor fanbase as seen around here is small percent of market for KotOR MMO

 

Heck, even most Kotor fans really love the idea of MMO

 

Still, even if there once will be K3, this'll push it even more years forward

Edited July 17, 2008 by Xard

[Wolva]

Well if they make a good mmo from it it don't mind.

Don't kill me just yet please, i played 2 mmo's they both had a totally different aproach of the story telling.

 

First i played guild wars because it was free and they told the story through cut-scenes which took part in missions, the plus of this is that you don't have to be level 80 and find 20 people to play with you could do it with two if you were good so it's much closer to an rpg than the second i played which was WoW.

i really hate the story telling of WoW because you're doing the same over and over again you take a mission and you finish it without any extra's for the story except messages which are a pain in the a** to read

 

So if they take the more rpg style of cut-scenes i may like it but please bioware don't come up with WoW in the star wars univers and make something original.

[Jediphile]

I'd count word of ****ing CEO as true as can be.

 

Again why bother making another game?

 

Star Wars MMO is automatical success. Add Kotor license AND name of Bioware on it and you don't need any other games.

 

Same happened with Warcraft series. Story as it ended in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne was and is continued on in WoW using the bastardized storytelling MMO's are forced to use. But it still happens and there's no future for Warcraft 4 in the world as it is now.

 

No difference to this deal here.

 

Nice lying once again from Bioware though, lol

 

1. Yes other games are needed - each of them is supposed to make money for the company.

 

2. I'm uncertain how credible a sources Joystiq.com or Portfolio.com are. Even if IGN or Gamespot posted it, I'd be wary - we've seen far, far, far too many stories confirming a KotOR MMO, which were then shot down. Here, for example: http://www.gamespy.com/articles/851/851916p1.html

 

3. Bearing that in mind, I refuse to believe any statement about any KotOR as fact until they are stated by Lucasarts on their own sites. Anything else, and I mean ANYTHING else, shall be considered speculation and rumor, interesting though that may be to read. Remember, this is one report from one person. That alone makes the chances of a misunderstanding or similar something worth considering.

 

4. There is something odd about this story, too. Didn't LA choose not to appear on E3? Why would they do that, if a KotOR MMO is announced? Besides, why is the EA CEO spilling the beans? Wouldn't it be far more relevant for Bioware or Lucasarts to state this? I would have expected a big press conference on E3 rather than the EA boss saying this in an exclusive interview to a single person. Big story if true, sure, but that is virtually unheard of. At least there should be a confirming press release at Lucasarts' site, but nope - nothing there.

 

5. Read the update to the story on Joystiq. If this is true, Riccitiello says yes to the question of whether this game is KotOR Online. That is not necessarily the same as KotOR MMO. Look at GTA4. It has online components, but I wouldn't call it an MMO on that basis.

 

6. If this report is correct to the point that Bioware is working on a KotOR MMO, then, looking at my sig, either Lucasarts or IGN are flat-out liars! No middle ground, no excuses. Period! If Bioware is doing KotOR MMO, then someone is a filthy liar, and since I doubt it's IGN, I would never again believe any statement made to the press by Lucasarts, who would then deserve to have this pushed in their faces repeatedly at each and every press release ever made henceforth!!

 

7. A KotOR MMO would suck! Royally! KotOR games are cinematic stories with extensive, deep backgrounds for the main character. That is not possible in an MMO, because the background of the character has to be generic enough to allow for the all the various backgrounds players would want to choose.

[Brdavs]

There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men for this treachery.

 

 

oops, wrong franchise... or maybe not, in the ligth of this news

[Xard]

4. There is something odd about this story, too. Didn't LA choose not to appear on E3? Why would they do that, if a KotOR MMO is announced? Besides, why is the EA CEO spilling the beans? Wouldn't it be far more relevant for Bioware or Lucasarts to state this?

 

 

EA = BIOWARE

[Wolva]

There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men for this treachery.

 

 

oops, wrong franchise... or maybe not, in the ligth of this news

 

Ok thats just great

 

but back on topic I would like to say that i woul prefer a KOTOR-rpg becasue indeed it's just more epic than an mmo

 

and Jediphile your point 5 isn't very good because this would mean that KOTOR3 is an action/hack ans slash game because when did you ever heard of an RPG multiplayer

I wouldn't work because the core of an rpg is leveling on yourself how can you do this online in a multiplayer.

Sure they could mean that there's a co-op function but to call it an online mode it's a little far fechted for me.

Not that i give up hope for kotor 2 being an rpg, because your right we're not certain it's true until LA or Bioware confirm it and because Bioware is EA i would go for LA.

Edited July 17, 2008 by Wolva

[Xard]

Happy now?

[Wolva]

Still no LA and didn't you notice the questionmark behind it?

 

And beside it's a weird timing for this news to come out. i mean LA wouldn't want it if it's true because it would draw attantion from the upcoming release of TFU.

 

Shouldn't this be approved by LA and i can't imaging they would do it at this very moment

Edited July 17, 2008 by Wolva

[Xard]

uhh, yeah

 

so what?

 

Jediphile wanted IGN say something, IGN said something

[Wolva]

Like i said when i edited my post.. It just weird timing and I just don't trust it.

I mean IGN didn't do the interview itself so they used an source on the internet most likely.

This is the same as we do and so it means that if that source is wrong so is IGN and so are we.

The conclusion is that LA needs to confirm it before it's official for me.

[Jediphile]

4. There is something odd about this story, too. Didn't LA choose not to appear on E3? Why would they do that, if a KotOR MMO is announced? Besides, why is the EA CEO spilling the beans? Wouldn't it be far more relevant for Bioware or Lucasarts to state this?

 

 

EA = BIOWARE

 

Bioware is now a game developing division of EA, yes, but it is not the same thing. Riccitiello is boss of EA. By extension that makes him boss of Bioware, but he is not on the development team, and given how relatively recently Bioware was acquired by EA, he is an odd spokesperson for a deal that might have been made before his company bought Bioware.

 

 

uhh, yeah

 

so what?

 

Jediphile wanted IGN say something, IGN said something

 

[Ahem]

2. I'm uncertain how credible a sources Joystiq.com or Portfolio.com are. Even if IGN or Gamespot posted it, I'd be wary - we've seen far, far, far too many stories confirming a KotOR MMO, which were then shot down. Here, for example: http://www.gamespy.com/articles/851/851916p1.html

 

3. Bearing that in mind, I refuse to believe any statement about any KotOR as fact until they are stated by Lucasarts on their own sites. Anything else, and I mean ANYTHING else, shall be considered speculation and rumor, interesting though that may be to read. Remember, this is one report from one person. That alone makes the chances of a misunderstanding or similar something worth considering.

 

[/ahem]

 

And all IGN did in that story was to report what was already reported elsewhere. That means they are informing the public of the rumors, which is very different from confirming them. And they don't confirm it either. Note how IGN says MMO with a question mark followed by "rumors and speculation"?

[Xard]

Yeah

 

Still, this is yet another tick towards Kotor MMO

 

Unless first place was flat out lying (and what would they gain from that?)

[Jediphile]

Yeah

 

Still, this is yet another tick towards Kotor MMO

 

Unless first place was flat out lying (and what would they gain from that?)

 

Well, somebody is lying as far as I can tell. IGN quoted LA for saying in febuary that the LA/Bioware project had nothing to do with KotOR, and now Riccitiello allegedly says the LA/Bioware project is KotOR online. I don't see how that can all be true. There must be a lie or misquote somewhere. And I note IGN writes this today:

 

"When contacted about the statement, BioWare deferred to LucasArts whose representatives told us that they currently have "nothing to announce" regarding their association with BioWare."

 

Very confusing. I sense a retraction in the force...

Edited July 17, 2008 by Jediphile

[Xard]

For the record Bioware has been caught lying in the past - "we're not doing license games anymore"

 

Yeah, right

[Jediphile]

For the record Bioware has been caught lying in the past - "we're not doing license games anymore"

 

Yeah, right

 

Agreed. They have said in the past they only wanted to do IPs from then on, and then they promptly made a deal with Lucasarts, at which point I was certain that was untrue. To share your sentiment, I then thought, "yes, of course that game is your own IP - that's why you made a deal with Lucasarts. Right..."

 

However, your observation is more likely to undermine Riccitiello's statements today, given the track-record, isn't it?

 

EDIT: Another observation. How can Riccitiello even make this statement? Yes, I know, CEO of EA, which owns Bioware. But wait - Bioware is just the developer. We're talking about a Star Wars game here, which means Lucasarts is the publisher, since they own the Star Wars franchise. Isn't it ALWAYS the publisher who announce new games? I mean, this would be like if Obsidian suddenly announced K3 without confirmation from LA. Could that even happen? I could imagine game developers getting dropped from a deal due to breach of contract for less... And EA/Bioware is the developer here, not the publisher.

Edited July 17, 2008 by Jediphile

[Xard]

You forgot my main example: They're working on a ****ing Sonic game

Edited July 17, 2008 by Xard

[I want teh kotor 3]

Well seeing as though there's now an MMO and KoTOR is dead, this thread is pointless.

[Jediphile]

Erm... Could we allow Lucasarts to confirm or deny this game first?

 

Pretty please?

[Xard]

moar doom and gloom

[Wolva]

Same idea here just wait until LA says something.

And bringing out an KOTOR MMO wouldn't mean that there's no KOTOR3 coming.

If you think about the KOTOR-timeline the best time to place an MMO is the Mandolorian Wars.

If they do this then we'll still need KOTOR3 to anwser our questions.

 

and in your link Xard i don't really understand this CEO.

He says China is a growing market and that they want to focus on Asia.

So they bring out Warhammer and KOTOR online

Aren't those franchises mostly popular in the West and not in Asia.

So again i don't understand the timing and reasons behind it.

Edited July 18, 2008 by Wolva