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So Good even the codex likes it! (Link is for the codex review).




But teh codex hates everything!


No, the codex does not hate everything. They (and we) just like our rpgs to be a certain way, preferably like Mysteries of Westgate or like Mask of the Betrayer where choices have real meaning and consequences accordingly. We (or they) also like that you can do questt through dialogue, combat or stealth.

As VD's excellent review discusses, we'd like to be surprised as well.


PS: I got the irony in the response :)


the problem with "the codex" is that many/most folks in that place has such deeply ingrained biases that they not even seem to realize when they is being self-contradictory/self-defeating. anybody recall spazmo's codexian review for toee? now most folks admit that toee were a broken game, but the review for toee from codex were very positive. am recalling one particular point made were in regard to fact that tim cain finally rendered some o' the d&d spells properly, as posed to way black isle and bioware had dome. is amusing that the particular examples given by the reviewer were actually examples o' troika busted spells. tim cain made toee, so it had to be good, right?


codexian opinion is no less valid than anybody else's, but the problem is that the more vocal and active members has completely destroyed your credibility. bethesda sucks. bioware sucks. tb is better than rt. troika was great. fo were teh best game evar. etc. you know the basic dogma o' codex and there ain't no reason to actually visit, 'cause +90% o' the time you can predict the approved codexian response w/o needing to get yourself dirtied. heck, +80% o' the time you can predict codex response before a game is released. frankenstein had 3 brains to work with when he built codex monster: sam kinison (pointless volume), andrew dice clay (immature vulgarity) and bill o' reiley (obtuse zealot).


vd has some strange ideas. did not read his current review 'cause we recall his comments in past. he were super impressed by options and choices in toee? huh? am seeing how you can likes toee tb combat, but the choices available in toee were largely meaningless. am also thinking that vd has the comic book/anime fan's appreciation for good writing, so we rare bother to pay attention when he suggests that writing in game X is good or bad... some o' the stuff he thinks is good writing is the stuff that keeps crpgs from being taken serious. vd actually has some ok ideas... from time to time. have also seen that he is willing to fight the codexian current o' sludge if he disagrees. good for him. nevertheless, he has shown in past that he gots many typical codexian biases, and his notions regarding story and dialogue is scary suspect.


but heck, just 'cause vd opines seems to aim for verisimilitude without ever actually saying anything genuine, there is no reason to assume that westgate is bad.


HA! Good Fun!

"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

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Leonard from Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket.

Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
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