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[Volourn]

Irrelevant. Alines isn't a new IP. It's been around for 2 decades or whatever. It's beyond pale, has had it's sahre of movies, comics, games, etc. made. It's not new, or original. Doesn't mean it's gonna suck (in fact, going by my experience with Obsidian's first two games, it'll likely be fun for me); but DA just by being an original IP is more 'fresh' than a pre-existing IP cna be. People already have pre concieved notions simply based on that fact. While DA by being 'new' can throw anything BIO wnats in it - even if that happens to be new twists on dwarves, elves, and dragons.

 

 

R00fles!

[kirottu]

Irrelevant?

 

How long have elves, dwarves and dragons mythos been around? 200, 300 years? And how many RGPs have been done with them in it? 50?

 

Aliens have been around for 20 years and no RPGs have been made in that setting. I really don

[Xard]

For pseudo-medieval fantasy setting DA's world sounds quite interesting. Doesn't beat Alien setting, but still sounds quite awesome.

 

I'm much more interested in this game than I was about nwn2 although it isn't games fault. It's because of setting. I absolutely despise Faerun.

 

JE pretty much redeemed my belief in Bios writing talents, although I'm becoming very, very tired for their archetype characters. Yay, new HK-47! :down.

 

Themes section rocks

[Rhomal]

Sand, youa r eonly pointing out half the picture.

 

Unlike 'generic fanatsy', DA doesn't have gods that you can worship and gain powers from, doesn't have sumnmong/teleportation magic, no ressurection, no insta heal potions (or even spells), magic isn't well known amongst commoners, it doesn't have vampire or even most kind of undead, and there's a host of other things.

 

Unlike typical generic fantasy, armour is habout damage reduction ala Fallout than D&D's AC. Spelclasters can wear armour nor does it effect magic.

 

 

Yup, you only read half of it.

 

*shrug*

 

Not that it matters since we both know you'll buy it, anyways.

 

Been there, done that with the Ultima series and in PnP. You seem to forget that I have been doing CRPGs back in the days of Vic 20. I have seen all sorts of shapes and sizes of CRPGs. Wizard's Crown, Eternal Dagger, the Phantasie and Ultima series, and the like. Bioware is not doing anything new. hell, as for armor giving damage reduction, I have used that in my PnP campaigns and DnD has rules for that as a variant.

 

Rolemaster and Shadowrun come right to mind as 2 PnP /CRPGs that used armor as damage reduction rather then factor in hit/miss. I agree with sand nothing new here with DA.

[Volourn]

"I agree with sand nothing new here with DA."

 

Not surprised at all.

 

 

"I really don

Edited April 7, 2007 by Volourn

[kirottu]

What orginal does their IP has?

Edited April 7, 2007 by kirottu

[Morgoth]

No matter what Bio creates, people will always whine about stupid little things. Says how spoiled people became these days.

[Volourn]

"What orginal does their IP has?"

 

The bigger question is what originality does the Aliens IP has? The thing is based off an existing license.

 

As for what DA has going for 'originality'? That's easy. The world is new. It's also one of the very few 'Tolkienish' fantasy games that don't have divine spellcasters that recieve spells from gods. In fcat, DA's religion is more like the real world religion - solely based on faith - ,and not fact like in D&D where it is KNOWN that gods exist and they do interatc with mortals.

 

The Origins are also vastly different than what's een. Not too many things are close to it unless you count the pitiful attempts by Troika with Arcanum, and TOEE which wer ebasiclaly nothing but mini stat boosters or less than 5 minute intros. L0L

 

Read the linked htread. There's lots of stuff that makes DA different than from other fantasy games.

 

It's also not based on an existing IP like the Aliens game.

 

 

P.S. I'm not bashing Obsidian or their Aliens RPG by the way. I have no problem like some people when it comes to using existing IPS,a nd I think the game will be fun. I just find it hypocritical to bash BIO, and DA for being 'unoriginal' yet praise Obsidian for using an existing IP.

 

 

L0LLERZ!

 

 

"No matter what Bio creates, people will always whine about stupid little things. Says how spoiled people became these days."

 

The real sad thing is the biggets whiners are as likely to buy BIO games as someone like me who praises them.

 

Of course, there are things to criticize about BIO. And, heck, I've done it (which people ignore). Heh.

 

There's even things about DA and ME I'm not too sure about.

 

R00fles!

Edited April 7, 2007 by Volourn

[Morgoth]

Constructive criticism is a good thing and keeps conversations interesting and civilized. Some "steam" can be good too, as long as it isn't based on silly bias and rumors.

 

I for one don't define originality solely on the setting. Alien certainly isn't a new franchise, but it's the first time we get a full fleshed RPG made of it. Now if that isn't a reason to be excited, what then?

 

Dragon Age? Whole new world. What are people whining about? Want another lame DnD game instead?

[Volourn]

"Want another lame DnD game instead?"

 

Thems fighting words, Mr. You know I like me some D&D.

 

 

"I for one don't define originality solely on the setting. Alien certainly isn't a new franchise, but it's the first time we get a full fleshed RPG made of it. Now if that isn't a reason to be excited, what then?"

 

Agreed. Thoiugh, I should point that while I like Aliens well enough; it's amongst my favorites movies. Still, good, though.

[kirottu]

The bigger question is what originality does the Aliens IP has? The thing is based off an existing license.

 

It

Edited April 8, 2007 by kirottu

[Volourn]

Yeah. Aliens is new. It's been 'new' for 20 years. R00fles!

 

That'sa ll I need to know to understand the delusional world view you are looking through. To each their own. Heh.

[Rhomal]

> P.S. I'm not bashing Obsidian or their Aliens RPG by the way. I have no problem like some people when it comes to using existing IPS,a nd I think the game will be fun. I just find it hypocritical to bash BIO, and DA for being 'unoriginal' yet praise Obsidian for using an existing IP.

 

I hope that wasn't direct to me. I am 0 interest in the aliens IP thus prob going to skip over OEI's alien offering. I am sure it will be a overall good game but the mythos/setting does not interest me.

 

A few aspects of DA interest me but overall I see nothing to get excited about. Doubt I will pick it up either. I have a feeling It will be another bioware all fluff/PR and little substance game like their nwn1 OC. And with the comments (last I heard) a toolset/cc ability may not be possible/very difficult that just kills the lifespan/interest of the game for me.

[kirottu]

Yeah. Aliens is new. It's been 'new' for 20 years. R00fles!

 

That'sa ll I need to know to understand the delusional world view you are looking through. To each their own. Heh.

 

Not once I have said that Aliens is new. I said it

[Volourn]

Rhomal, you don't have to convince me about you being negative towards a BIO game. It's as surprising as me being positive. Heh.

 

 

"I said it

[Maria Caliban]

I'm going to say that this discussion is getting silly. Of course, neither Aliens nor DA can claim wholly original elements. I'll also point out that Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time, Beyond Good and Evil, Fallout, BG2, Planescape: Torment, Half-Life, Vampires: Bloodlines, and damn near every great computer game does not have completely original elements.

 

kirottu,

If I may be so kind, the issue seems to be that you haven't enjoyed the Bioware games you've played. On the other hand, Volourn and I have enjoyed them a great deal. If this is the case, then you probably won't like DA and we will.

 

As for what about DA interests me:

• A dark fantasy setting
  
• Instead of a plethora of races and classes, they've streamlined the choices and concentrated on making them more meaningful.
  
• The lack of an alignment system
  
• An influence system for your companions
  
• Origins that provide prologue stories and influence NPCs reactions throughout the game.
  
• Magic being rare and feared
  
• No instant health or mana potions
  
• Resting and companion swapping only available at campsite
  
• An injury system
  
• Superior weapons and armor are obtained by crafting rare metals instead of picking up another +2 longsword from a fallen orc.
  

I think Knights of the Old Republic was the apex of fruit-loops fantasy gaming. At no time did I feel menace, depth, complexity, or realism. Everything was bright and easy.

 

On the other hand, that's Star Wars. If Bioware can give me a Song of Ice and Fire as well as it gave me Star Wars then I'll be happy.

[Volourn]

"If I may be so kind, the issue seems to be that you haven't enjoyed the Bioware games you've played. On the other hand, Volourn and I have enjoyed them a great deal. If this is the case, then you probably won't like DA and we will."

 

Game over. Part 25.

[kirottu]

And, there's been no RPG set in the DA setting. Or movies, books, etc. either. Thatr's why DA is more original than the Aliens game. It seems silly to complain about the 'lack of originality' of DA than priase anything based on Aliens as being 'original' or worse yet 'more original'.

 

You misunderstand. I expect Aliens RPG to have themes and stuff from Aliens setting, because it

Edited April 9, 2007 by kirottu

[Cantousent]

I'm planning to buy DA. It looks like it will be fun.

 

As far as orignal content, I don't care. Sure, I would like something truly original, but I'm perfectly happy to have something unoriginal done well. Kind of like something Vol on the subject.

 

I'm not sure about the Alien RPG, but I did love the Aliens movies, all of them. I'll have to see how my enthusiasm develops for the RPG in time.

[Llyranor]

It's cute how some people think an 'original' setting would save a game from being bad, when it's being done by the same devs whose games they haven't enjoyed indefinitely.

 

FO3 is saved!

[Volourn]

Why does Llyr win again? That's illegal.

[mkreku]

It does sound horribly generic though.

[Volourn]

No.

[Morgoth]

I'm anxiously waiting for more infos regardind fighting huge creatures. Last time I heard you can jump onto the dragon Space Trooper style and give him a whack. I wonder if you also can slip under his belly and tickle him so that he starts laughing. Man, I always miss the humor in combat!

Edited April 9, 2007 by Morgoth

[Oerwinde]

I'm anxiously waiting for more infos regardind fighting huge creatures. Last time I heard you can jump onto the dragon Space Trooper style and give him a whack. I wonder if you also can slip under his belly and tickle him so that he starts laughing. Man, I always miss the humor in combat!

 

I tried the whole "Jump on the dragon's back to attack him" thing once in PnP. The dragon just rolled over and I died.