metadigital Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 (edited) It must have been made to suit the needs of the liberal mafia, of course. Edited November 23, 2006 by Gorgon Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 (edited) meta: I'm the troll? I'm not the one who made a thread those main goal is to bash other countries (Inamely Britian and the US0. I mean the gu even 'jokenly' admits. How the heck does one really measure some of the things this survey supposedly does? Turnout? Since when does actual voter turn out prove or disprove a country is democratic? The whole point of a dmeocracy is for the citizens to have choice. This should include the choice of voting or not voting. Countries who force their citizens to vote udner threat of fine or jailtime should lose points not gain them. I'm not syaing Sweden is such a country; but I do know some European countries have such a law, IIRC. I could go through the whole lists of 'evidence' and 'factual evidence' and do the same but it's a waste of time. It's mall about arrogant bragging rights and the ability to say in a bigoted way,"My country is better than youyrs! HAHAHA!: Edited November 23, 2006 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Countries who force their citizens to vote udner threat of fine or jailtime should lose points not gain them. I'm not syaing Sweden is such a country; but I do know some European countries have such a law, IIRC. Which European countries are you talking about? Also, turnout is an excellent way to measure the success of a democracy. Low turnout indicates that people don't care about who governs their country. Finally, I advise you to get Firefox 2.0. It can spellcheck your posts. "jokenly" is not a word by the way. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 It's mall about arrogant bragging rights and the ability to say in a bigoted way,"My country is better than youyrs! HAHAHA!: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, all things considered Sweden is a whole lot better place to live than US of A. kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Indeed. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 (edited) "Actually, all things considered Sweden is a whole lot better place to live than US of A." Good on you, and your opinion. "Which European countries are you talking about?" I can't recall offhand; but I remmeber a disucssion awhile back here debating the merits of forcing or not forcing people to vote whether they wnated to or not. If it wasn't over an European country; but some other country than oops. The main point still stands. "Also, turnout is an excellent way to measure the success of a democracy. Low turnout indicates that people don't care about who governs their country." I disagree. Success of a democracy shouldn't ahve to do with the number of people who vote; but the choice to vote. I ahven't voted in every election because sometimes I feel there's no need. My town just had an election. i didn't bother to vote because eitehr candcidate was gonna be fine for me. Other times, I don't care for either one. But, guess what, in a real democracy I have that option to vote for who I want or not at all. I do vote most of the time; but that's a personal choice given to me due to living in a democracy. "jokenly" is not a word by the way." It is now. New words are created all the time. Otherwise, dialogue becomes stagnant. Every word we use had to be 'created' or used for the first time at some point. Edited November 23, 2006 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Which European countries are you talking about? Also, turnout is an excellent way to measure the success of a democracy. Low turnout indicates that people don't care about who governs their country. Meh, not necessarily. High turnout can often mean people are unhappy with their government on some serious fundamental level, etc. IMO, a better way to rate it is how "free" people are to vote, rather than what % votes. Not voting can be a choice, after all. Isn't that freedom? Also, the US isn't sitting next to Iran or something, their right there at the top, how is this supposed to be an insult? Also, it seems that anti-abortion stances of a country actually might hurt it's measure, as it's addressed on the website of the group that made this list, under where they talk about individual countries. While I'm pro-choice, I find that odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 It's mall about arrogant bragging rights and the ability to say in a bigoted way,"My country is better than youyrs! HAHAHA!: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, all things considered Sweden is a whole lot better place to live than US of A. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> US GNI/Capita: $37,870 Sweden GNI/Capita: $28,910 enjoy your arbitrary ranking of freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 "jokenly" is not a word by the way." It is now. New words are created all the time. Otherwise, dialogue becomes stagnant. Every word we use had to be 'created' or used for the first time at some point. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That never worked for me during English class so I don't see why it should work for you. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I think the US just needs a few more political parties, get something to choose from rather than just the two Oh and Sweden might have taken the "most democratic" price, but we're still the happiest! :joy: DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 "Jokingly" is a perfectly good, existing word to use instead of "jokenly". "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hildegard Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Congratulations to Sweden and other successful European countries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Congratulations to Sweden and other successful European countries... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the US, Japan, and Costa Rica don't deserve your thanks? Its almost if your trying to slight them :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Which European countries are you talking about? Also, turnout is an excellent way to measure the success of a democracy. Low turnout indicates that people don't care about who governs their country. Meh, not necessarily. High turnout can often mean people are unhappy with their government on some serious fundamental level, etc. Yes, but it also means they are interested in helping decide who gets to govern next. A democracy where no one votes is a failure. IMO, a better way to rate it is how "free" people are to vote, rather than what % votes. Not voting can be a choice, after all. Isn't that freedom? And by not voting, they are effectively saying they don't want to live in a democracy. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 "And by not voting, they are effectively saying they don't want to live in a democracy." Absolutely false. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Yes, but it also means they are interested in helping decide who gets to govern next. A democracy where no one votes is a failure. "No one" is the key. Is a country where the majority votes a failure? I think your arguing on a philosophical level here, which is fine, but it's not necessarily reflective of reality. If a candidate, like many incumbents in the US, is almost assured a victory and some of his supports don't go out to vote because they know he is a lock, is that "bad"? There are lots of reasons people choose not to vote. And by not voting, they are effectively saying they don't want to live in a democracy. Not at all. I don't feel I need to argue this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 People who don't vote have no right to complain about those who got voted in. That is my view of it. That is why I try to vote at every election. I like to complain. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WITHTEETH Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I believe democracy also relies on a INFORMED populous not just a voting populous. I've come across many who don't know what liberal means. One guy even voted on one issue, he didn't want to wear a helmet while driving a motorcycle. Always outnumbered, never out gunned! Unreal Tournament 2004 Handle:Enlight_2.0 Myspace Website! My rig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hildegard Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the US, Japan, and Costa Rica don't deserve your thanks? Its almost if your trying to slight them :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraldin Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 (edited) Hah! That list has a rating for "Functioning of Government." Somehow Canada managed to tie for third place for that score. EDIT: Bah! You and your attempted double post! Edited November 23, 2006 by Deraldin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hildegard Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Joking :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the US, Japan, and Costa Rica don't deserve your thanks? Its almost if your trying to slight them :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, they don't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I love it when you make it easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Yes, but it also means they are interested in helping decide who gets to govern next. A democracy where no one votes is a failure. "No one" is the key. Is a country where the majority votes a failure? I think your arguing on a philosophical level here, which is fine, but it's not necessarily reflective of reality. If a candidate, like many incumbents in the US, is almost assured a victory and some of his supports don't go out to vote because they know he is a lock, is that "bad"? There are lots of reasons people choose not to vote. There are a lot of countries where only less that 50% of the population vote. And at this point, it's fair game to argue that democracy isn't the best way to govern a country. What's the legitimacy of government that was only chosen by, say, 20% of the population? It's practically an invitation for a coup and so, turnout is very important for any democracy. And this, of course makes turnout an essential part of measuring a democracy's success. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hildegard Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I love it when you make it easy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> :"> :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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