Games = Art

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Dancing for Jesus

 

"It was a classic clash of cultures. The gaming establishment and its audience treat Christian game publishers as bizarre outsiders, aliens from another world where people use the word 'spirituality' in a serious sense. While the 'Are games art?' debate rages endlessly in 'our' circles, these same outsiders seek to make games that are spiritually enriching. Disagree with their conviction all you like, but few publishers seek enlightenment in addition to fabulous cash prizes."

[astr0creep]

I only read your pasting Meta.

 

As a gamer, I don't care if a game was made by Christians trying to make me more religious or whatever. I only care about how much fun I'm going to have with their game and if I have my money's worth, which is a very relative thing.

 

Having fun with a game, for me, includes how much I appreciate the gameplay, the grapphics, the sounds, the music, the colors, the animations, the voice work, the story, etc. It's a combination of things. Like ingredients in food, some taste good, others are bad but the important thing is how it tastes once finished.

 

Are games art? I really believe so but only as much as movies or even television scripted shows are art. And their main function is to make money, not make you cry with some artsy message about the fall of society and love or something.

 

In any case, I don't think anyone can disagree with the fact that, at the very least, games contain art.

[kirottu]

Are games art? I really believe so but only as much as movies or even television scripted shows are art. And their main function is to make money, not make you cry with some artsy message about the fall of society and love or something.

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I think it

[Judge Hades]

As for the Christian game makers, as long as the game is fun and I am not being preached at with useless dogma then all is good.

[astr0creep]

As for the Christian game makers, as long as the game is fun and I am not being preached at with useless dogma then all is good.

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Aren't you being preached useless dogma when playing a Paladin of Helm in D&D games?

[Zagor]

As a former art student I have thought about this a lot: what is art?

IMO anything can be art, as long as someone think it is art (can be the viewer or the creator)

 

There has been art exhibitions with paintings made of blood and even sh**, and it has been called art. And it is art, because people think it is. Someone (don't remember the name) put grease in a corner of a art-exhibition-place, and called it corner of grease, and it was art. I don't think it was good art, but it was art.

 

Andy Warhol made photos of soup-canisters, and it was art.

 

So are games art? If you think it's art, then it's art (for you). It's all in the eyes of the beholder (or the creator)

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[Judge Hades]

Aren't you being preached useless dogma when playing a Paladin of Helm in D&D games? 

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That's role playing and part of the game, therefore not useless.

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[astr0creep]

Aren't you being preached useless dogma when playing a Paladin of Helm in D&D games? 

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That's role playing and part of the game, therefore not useless.

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What is the difference between a God made up for a D&D world and a God made up for our world?

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[Musopticon?]

The difference is that Hades hates the church.

[Judge Hades]

What is the difference between a God made up for a D&D world and a God made up for our world?

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The difference is that there are people think that the God made up for our world is real and are willing to discriminate and kill others in its name.

[kirottu]

So... Because there are bad christian, christians shouldn

[Arkan]

Stop spinning Viscy's words. It's perfectly clear what he means.

[Judge Hades]

So... Because there are bad christian, christians shouldn

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[Volourn]

Yeah, its clear he means that he is a bigot.

 

 

And, oh, games aren't art.

[astr0creep]

What is the difference between a God made up for a D&D world and a God made up for our world?

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The difference is that there are people think that the God made up for our world is real and are willing to discriminate and kill others in its name.

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That is my conclusion as well, I was just asking.

 

To me, a game made by Christians(or Catholics, Muslims, Pagans, whatever) in which NPCs preach the word of God(or whatever), the preaching is made towards the character I'm playing and not me.

I have no problem with such a game because it remains a game. Of course it is still promotion of a religion but how is that different from product placement in a Tony Hawk game or from a racing game in which a car is obviously designed like a Ferrari but called a "LightningHawk" or something?

 

I guess my question to you is why do you take offense at being preached at... by a game?

[astr0creep]

I guess my question to you is why do you take offense at being preached at... by a game?

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I take offense being preached at, period. By game or by person, doesn't matter to me.

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But don't you get preached at playing D&D? By Clerics and Paladins mostly?

[Judge Hades]

Um... no.

[astr0creep]

Um... no.

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Ok, that settles it then.

 

[Musopticon?]

Yeah, wasn't this an art thread?

[Judge Hades]

Well, I think some games can be considered art while other games notso much. i ti si the eye of the beerholder.

[Slowtrain]

I would say a common definition of what is art needs to be reached before the debate of whether games fit the definition can begin.

 

An important first step that is usually overlooked in threads of this type and thus the ensuing 30 page thread is actually a debate over what art is rather than whether games are art.

 

SO, since the defintion of art has not been agreed upon for this thread, I can't answer the question.

[Volourn]

Art is what I was taught in art class. Games weren't. So, they aren't art. Game over.

[Musopticon?]

I doubt you were taught pointillism, but it's still art.

[Zagor]

Anything can be art, as long as someone think it is. A bucket filled with milk can be art, if you put it on display, and say it's art.

 

Games might not be art to Volourn, but they are still art to me, at least some of them, Planescape torment being an example.

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Art is what I was taught in art class. Games weren't. So, they aren't art.

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I'm not a conformist.

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