Unkillable enemies discussion

[Bokishi]

Man, all those strippers were a gimmick!

[Judge Hades]

Hades would you honestly have been able to kill him with the standard weapons if he was killable?  I mean, you couldn't even outrun him.  How do you think you would have fared trying to run and gun at the same time?

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I don't know but it would be nice to have the chance to find out.

[Darque]

Hmm... I figure a full blown, pissed off Garou would be about as tough (as in ability to take damage) as the Kuei Jin at the end...

 

So KJ health... and the werewolf's agg damage...

 

You'd still need to use the door to kill it, anything else would eat your ammo and he'd still probably waste you.

[kirottu]

Ah, I

[Hassat Hunter]

He?

 

And why make all this fuss about wolfie, Hades? Did you hijack topics for OVER 2 years for similar enemies in other RPG's (*cough*BG2*cough*) too?

 

Edit; Damn... now my post makes no sense anymore...

Edited September 9, 2006 by Hassat Hunter

[Darque]

Mild prunage. No flames please.

[Judge Hades]

He? 

 

And why make all this fuss about wolfie, Hades? Did you hijack topics for OVER 2 years for similar enemies in other RPG's (*cough*BG2*cough*) too?

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I had no problems in BG2.

[Hassat Hunter]

Curious that is. Why do you have such a problems with the Wherewolf if SIMILAR techniques in other games left you cold?

[Judge Hades]

Because I never had any problems with BG2. I was able to kill my enemies in BG2 without any problems whatsoever.

[Hassat Hunter]

Which isn't true.

 

So I repeat the question:

Curious that is. Why do you have such a problems with the Wherewolf if SIMILAR techniques in other games left you cold?

 

And if you WERE able to kill all enemies there without problem WHY would the wherewolf cause you difficulties in Vampire:Bloodlines; considering you were familiar with the "gimmick kill enemy"?

[Judge Hades]

Yes it is true.

 

There was no gimmick kills in BG2. All kills in that game that I made were done by my weapons and/or spells that my characters had in their possession. Last I checked you can't have the observatory in your inventory.

Edited September 9, 2006 by Judge Hades

[Darque]

You can't have a handful of crazy mages in your inventory either.

[Judge Hades]

No, but you can have them in your party.

[Hassat Hunter]

Still some had "1 way to kill" techniques... aye? Which was your major trouble.

 

But now it turned into "should be killable by using inventory stuff"?

 

Which raises the following question:

"Why do you notice such ways (and bother bitching about it for 20+ pages) in one game while see it as part of the game (like Wolfie is too) in the other?"

 

PS. Area adjustment to kill enemies was also present in BG2... *thinks back about Shadow Wolves (AAARGH wolves! ) and light crystals...

Edited September 9, 2006 by Hassat Hunter

[Judge Hades]

Hassat, you are comparing apples to oranges here. First off any DnDer would know to have multiple different weapons in his or her inventory for there are some weapons that are more effective against an enemy than another. You just don't use a piercing weapon on a skeleton, you use a bludgeoning weapon. You should know this, but instead you rather make fun and attack like everyone else.

Edited September 9, 2006 by Judge Hades

[Hassat Hunter]

Hassat, you are comparing apples to oranges here.  First off any DnDer would know to have multiple weapons in his or her inventory for there are some weapons that are more effective against an enemy than another.  You should know this, but instead you rather make fun and attack like everyone else.

 

And some should know wherewolves can only be killed by silver...which... *gasp* you do not have in your possession during that part of the game

[Judge Hades]

Well, gee, according to myth vampires can only be killed by a stake to the heart or fear the cross and running water to. You know, I killed many a vampire with a shotgun.

[Hassat Hunter]

And I killed many a wherewolf in ohter games without silver too... but that just isn't the lore in Vampire; Bloodlines, eh?

 

PS. Where in the handbook does it says enemy X is permanent stuck on "Near Death" untill I heal them with a spell? (and explain me how it is no "gimmick" too please)

[Judge Hades]

Do you normally have a cleric in your party that has at least one healing spell in reserve? I know I always do.

[Hassat Hunter]

You haven't answered my question... AT ALL...

[Judge Hades]

Yes I have. You have a member of your party whose training, abilities, and resources can over come his enemies without the need of a gimmick.

 

Last time I checked my vampire isn't proficient in Observatory.

Edited September 9, 2006 by Judge Hades

[Hassat Hunter]

Training like "Wherewolf can be killed by silver"

Abilities like "Able to run"

Resources like "a silver door"

 

??? "

 

The posed BG2 event is a puzzle; like the Wherewolf. One wonders why one is "ok" by you and the other hell on earth. What exactly makes the one puzzle better for a game than the other?

[kirottu]

Nice, Darque.

[Darque]

It needed to be done, this discussion has kinda become it's own thing.

 

@All

 

Please continue the discussion about unkillable enemies here.

[Hassat Hunter]

BG2 had no puzzle combats. They were all pretty much straight forward to me.

 

Face it; is has.

 

The question is why you don't want to see that that is the case... and condemn the Wherewolf for something you accepted and found fun in another game...