Unkillable enemies discussion

[Llyranor]

That's harrassment.

[alanschu]

Its not the specific opponent that I am talking about.  It is the situation itself in which you know your life is in danger.  That you have a damn good chance of getting killed.  In that sort of harried situation, regardless of the opponent, most people are not going to be thinking straight and be able to solve puzzles.

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I am pretty sure that most people, upon recognizing the futility of their current actions, are going to look for alternative solutions.

 

Though to be honest, "most" people wouldn't do much in a combat situation. "Most" people would probably cower in fear. "Most" people wouldn't last long enough to even have a straight fight, let alone think about a puzzle.

 

 

The thing is, in a video game, do you really play a character that is like "most" people, or are you perhaps a bit more cognizant of your actions when your character is understress.

 

You say you play the game through the eyes of your character. So when your vampire saw Nines (who already saved your ass on more than one occassion, and is immensely respected by friend and foe alike) shaking in his boots because of the prospect of a possible werewolf being in the area, you figured you'd do what "most" people would do, and shoot at the creature that Nines just said was futile to go up against?

 

In fact, I'd think that "most" people would probably run into the observatory out of fear itself. Fight or Flight. Those that fight would get killed, so you might as well go with flight.

[Dark_Raven]

Most people would run away as fast as they can, like me. No mr. werewolf don't hurt me.

[Judge Hades]

That does not change th fact that they made the werewolf invulnerable.

 

Now the way I would have done it is have the time limit, made the werewolf still have its strong attacks, but vulnerable to damage and killable. However it would have major damage reduction and hit points.

 

It still a pretty much a killing machine but those who have the stronger weapons, such as the uber machine guns and flamethrowers, can kill it in a sustained fight. Now the ammo usage will most probably make this not a cost effective option but nonetheless the option is there.

[Llyranor]

Maybe you should stop playing Troika games, given their awful design track record.

 

You're in luck. They're defunct.

Edited September 9, 2006 by Llyranor

[alanschu]

Unfortunately Bloodlines did not survive my reformat, so I can't check what weapons you would actually have available to you, though according to Spider, it sounds like the Flamethrower wouldn't have been too effective.

 

 

Furthermore, a big problem with something like this is that it poses a very obvious advantage to players that use guns, since I doubt a brujah is going to really be able to punch it to death. When you start making various characters have a significant disadvantage to other builds, then that's when you start getting into poor design.

Edited September 9, 2006 by alanschu

[Spider]

It still a pretty much a killing machine but those who have the stronger weapons, such as the uber machine guns and flamethrowers, can kill it in a sustained fight.  Now the ammo usage will most probably make this not a cost effective option but nonetheless the option is there.

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I think this would cheapen the weerewolf too much. Machine guns and flamethrowers shouldn't cut it against werewolves. They're tougher than that. Bring silver or stay at home.

 

(or at least some sort of magical weaponry)

 

As for what weaponry is available, I'm pretty sure you can have the flamethrower by that time. Still shouldn't be enough imo.

[alanschu]

I think you can too.

[Dark_Raven]

Decapitation with a sword would put a werewolf out of business.

[alanschu]

Good luck doing that.

[Musopticon?]

"Would you mind standing still and not blocking my blows so I can decapitate you?"

"Aooowrrrrrrrr, followerrrrrr of Wurrrrmm graaaahhh!!!*snap*"

"Guess not then...was worth a try"

Edited September 9, 2006 by Musopticon?

[Dark_Raven]

Not I. Something standing over 8' + weighing over 400lbs, I would run away. Ekkk! I would make for a poor adventurer.

[kirottu]

In real life combat situation I would totally own werewolf. I agree with Hades. He is sarmt and stuff!

[Dark_Raven]

I would fail at being an intrepid adventurer.

 

Unless I had magic at my disposal.

[alanschu]

"Would you mind standing still and not blocking my blows so I can decapitate you?"

"Aooowrrrrrrrr, followerrrrrr of Wurrrrmm graaaahhh!!!*snap*"

"Guess not then...was worth a try"

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Did that werewolf just say he's a follower of Wurm?

[Judge Hades]

In real life combat situation I would totally own werewolf. I agree with Hades. He is sarmt and stuff!

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Another person with thier head stuck up their ass. Company for you, Llyr.

[Judge Hades]

Unfortunately Bloodlines did not survive my reformat, so I can't check what weapons you would actually have available to you, though according to Spider, it sounds like the Flamethrower wouldn't have been too effective.

 

 

Furthermore, a big problem with something like this is that it poses a very obvious advantage to players that use guns, since I doubt a brujah is going to really be able to punch it to death.  When you start making various characters have a significant disadvantage to other builds, then that's when you start getting into poor design.

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That is why the Observation doors would still be an option. The point is even thought the werewolf is tough it is not invincible.

[Musopticon?]

Meh, someone else can aquient you with World of Darkness-fluff.

[kirottu]

In real life combat situation I would totally own werewolf. I agree with Hades. He is sarmt and stuff!

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Another person with thier head stuck up their ass. Company for you, Llyr.

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But but I own werewolfes every day. You shouldn

[Musopticon?]

Yeah, and you should know that all Helsinkians, including Kiro-kun, are vampires.

[alanschu]

Unfortunately Bloodlines did not survive my reformat, so I can't check what weapons you would actually have available to you, though according to Spider, it sounds like the Flamethrower wouldn't have been too effective.

 

 

Furthermore, a big problem with something like this is that it poses a very obvious advantage to players that use guns, since I doubt a brujah is going to really be able to punch it to death.  When you start making various characters have a significant disadvantage to other builds, then that's when you start getting into poor design.

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That is why the Observation doors would still be an option. The point is even thought the werewolf is tough it is not invincible.

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No, it's poor design. One group of people get easy street where they just flame the thing down, and make the scene exceptionally anticlimactic, where the other group has to actually survive the werewolf and is essentially defenseless and has a much more difficult time.

[Judge Hades]

Did I say the flamethrower would kill the werewolf easily? Nope. I said it would damage the werewolf but still be a very very very difficult and tough opponent. Just not invincible.

[Dark_Raven]

The flamethrower would make the werewolf's problem with hair nonexistent.

[kirottu]

Yeah, and you should know that all Helsinkians, including Kiro-kun, are vampires.

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And drunken vampires at best! I just got home from a bar. Luckily no werewolves this night.

 

I got invited to birthday party next weekend.

Leena-chan: "Vilma said it

[Judge Hades]

Bald werewolfs?

 

 

 

 

On second thought lets not use the flamethrower.