DAWUSS Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 One thing that came to mind now that I think about it, where were Master Vandar and Master Zhar (and maybe a few other notables) at the meeting where the Exile was removed from the Order? They were around at that time, and from that droid on Dantooine, you can see that Vandar has some praise and admiration in her, something Vrook didn't (and obviously never does). I think he (Vandar) wouldn't have been as quick to exile the Exile out of the Jedi Order. And I'm sure some other Jedi Masters that were around at that time would have seen something they (Vrook and company) didn't see and mde their objections a bit more vocal. DAWUSS Dawes ain't too bright. Hitting rock bottom is when you leave 2 tickets on the dash of your car, leave it unlocked hoping someone will steal them & when you come back, there are 4 tickets on your dashboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Clearly Vandar and Zhar were not on the jedi council on Coruscant at the time. Looking at the KotOR comic books, it seems that Vandar was on the "council" at the enclave on Dantooine, though, and perhaps Zhar was too. This suggests that Vrook left the council on Coruscant to teach at the enclave. Hmm, that actually redeems the masters a little in my eyes, since it means they finally realised his charming personality and kicked him out Visit my KotOR blog at Deadly Forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerator Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 (edited) Perhaps the Jedi regularly switch positions between the Dantooine Council and the Coruscant council? Edited June 17, 2006 by Accelerator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 :D I can hear the masters now... "No, Vrook - this is a promotion for you. Really!" Visit my KotOR blog at Deadly Forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xard Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 I believe that jedi can be master in both counsils How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerator Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Perhaps the Jedi Council got tired of Vrook's constant bickering and said "ehh..Vrook, you see, we need strict teachers like you to teach at the Jedi Enclave on Dantooine. Err...this is a promotion. Go there now." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03szubertb Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Didn't Vandar get killed sometime when the Jedi met? Because I thought I heard someone talking about Darth Nihilus killing everything on the planet where the Jedi met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Aztec Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Yes he died on Katarr, the Miraluka world. With other jedi and masters I might add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purgatorio Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Yes he died on Katarr, the Miraluka world. With other jedi and masters I might add. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes but that was after. Perhaps the trial was a secret that was kept from the other council members.There was alot of empty seats in the chamber and it wasn't much of a trial to begin with. S.A.S.I.S.P.G.M.D.G.S.M.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerator Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Yes he died on Katarr, the Miraluka world. With other jedi and masters I might add. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes but that was after. Perhaps the trial was a secret that was kept from the other council members.There was alot of empty seats in the chamber and it wasn't much of a trial to begin with. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Perhaps the other council members were busy playing cards Or maybe the Council seats were empty because many Masters were out on campaigns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikon Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Vrook was never permanently transferred from one council to another. He was on the Dantooine Council as early as 3,993 BBY (Shadows and Light) and 3,964 BBY (KOTOR comics). Exile's exile (the Coruscant flashback in K2) takes place in 3,960 BBY, after the Battle of Malachor V. K1 takes place in 3,956 BBY. I guess Vrook was "temporarily" summoned to Coruscant for Exile's trial or just happened to be there at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxen83 Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 (edited) Yes he died on Katarr, the Miraluka world. With other jedi and masters I might add. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which was mentioned in K2's chronicles and hardly related to its story through character dialogue. Edited June 18, 2006 by vaxen83 Deep from within... Victims live a life of fantasy. Some see salvation as an act of God, a few look within for it. 朱宣澧 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikon Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Your point being? Anyway, how does the Katarr incident relate to Exile's trial? It occurred way later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purgatorio Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Perhaps the other council members were busy playing cards Or maybe the Council seats were empty because many Masters were out on campaigns? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes that is possible,probably Nar Shadda rules...all that talk of decency. But But I thought Vandar moonlighted as a cantina dancer. Out on campains?When did the masters decide to do anything besides debate how to deal with naughty little jedi Revan and how to brainwash Bastilla or other Jedi to follow thier archaic code?Seriously they did nothing before the war why start now. Lets blame someone else for our impending doom. I say,kill em all. :ph34r: S.A.S.I.S.P.G.M.D.G.S.M.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWUSS Posted June 18, 2006 Author Share Posted June 18, 2006 Vrook was never permanently transferred from one council to another.He was on the Dantooine Council as early as 3,993 BBY (Shadows and Light) and 3,964 BBY (KOTOR comics). Exile's exile (the Coruscant flashback in K2) takes place in 3,960 BBY, after the Battle of Malachor V. K1 takes place in 3,956 BBY. I guess Vrook was "temporarily" summoned to Coruscant for Exile's trial or just happened to be there at the moment. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which makes it all the more peculiar as to why he would be there and the others wouldn't... I doubt he would be the only one hopping from the Outer Rim to the center of the galaxy just to give the Exile her namesake DAWUSS Dawes ain't too bright. Hitting rock bottom is when you leave 2 tickets on the dash of your car, leave it unlocked hoping someone will steal them & when you come back, there are 4 tickets on your dashboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikon Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Maybe Vrook was a member of the Covenant and the "Jedi associate" needed him on Coruscant? (As to why Lucien isn't there, he may be dead by then.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxen83 Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 (edited) Your point being?Anyway, how does the Katarr incident relate to Exile's trial? It occurred way later. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, you are right. It is just a bit frustrating having to wait for TSL Restoration team and M4-78 team to be done with K2 patches. Edited June 18, 2006 by vaxen83 Deep from within... Victims live a life of fantasy. Some see salvation as an act of God, a few look within for it. 朱宣澧 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikon Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Now, what does THAT have to do with the topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purgatorio Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Now, what does THAT have to do with the topic? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Perhaps their suggesting the other masters were there,doubt it though. Or there thinking it was a conspiracy from the droids no thats the sallustans. Or that SOME EARTH SHATTERING REVELATION shall be revealed by some unrelated patch..... to much sarcasm? S.A.S.I.S.P.G.M.D.G.S.M.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikon Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Neither TSLRP nor the M4-78 project will touch Exile's trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokor Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 everyone.....in kotor 1 revan asks that at begining...he said he wasnt in the council on corusant.....because that was the high council..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaxen83 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Coruscant was probably hardly featured as a visual location in K2 apart from the Exile's trial. Deep from within... Victims live a life of fantasy. Some see salvation as an act of God, a few look within for it. 朱宣澧 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Traya Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 One thing that came to mind now that I think about it, where were Master Vandar and Master Zhar (and maybe a few other notables) at the meeting where the Exile was removed from the Order? They were around at that time, and from that droid on Dantooine, you can see that Vandar has some praise and admiration in her, something Vrook didn't (and obviously never does). I think he (Vandar) wouldn't have been as quick to exile the Exile out of the Jedi Order. And I'm sure some other Jedi Masters that were around at that time would have seen something they (Vrook and company) didn't see and mde their objections a bit more vocal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> in kotor1 zharr dies when your abour saul karaths ship,vandar dies if you the dark side and vrook was trying to make dantooine suitable for the jedi to return there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikon Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Zhar doesn't die in K1. Vrook mentions in K2 that Zhar died later on Katarr. But then, the point people constantly miss is that Exile's trial took place even BEFORE K1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewaybe2678 Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 maybe for such a trail they only use masters that actually taught the person on trail..........but then vrook didn't teach the exile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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