Lilandra Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 FANTASY! (w00t) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Life is but a fanatasy, of which, we are all actors on this huge stage called life. Through inner peace leads to enlightenment. Baldur's Gate Modding
Lilandra Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 I don Through inner peace leads to enlightenment. Baldur's Gate Modding
Judge Hades Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 Life is but a fanatasy, of which, we are all actors on this huge stage called life. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I cast magic missile at the darkness!
Lilandra Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 For some reason Power Word Kill does not work for me. Through inner peace leads to enlightenment. Baldur's Gate Modding
metadigital Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 To me, fantasy does not have aliens, star ships or modern type technology. That's a personal problem. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh? Not that I am aware of. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nartwak means that, just because you think the definition of fantasy doesn't include aliens and space ships, doesn't mean your opinion that aliens and space ships ∉ fantasy is reality. There is precious little science in Star Wars. Take a look at some of the nerds trying to rationalize the unrationalizable, viz. an arts grad (GL) trying to create technology more advanced than what we have currently. All comparisons are odious. The delineation between SF and Fantasy is meaningless and entirely personal. I use a spectrum, with "hardcore" Science at one end, and fantasy at the other. That way I can easily plot all types of fiction onto the axis. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Kaftan Barlast Posted March 30, 2006 Author Posted March 30, 2006 But, why isnt Star Trek fantasy then? Or is it? DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
Jorian Drake Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 But, why isnt Star Trek fantasy then? Or is it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Anything is fantasy what is not real.
Deadly_Nightshade Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 FANTASY! (w00t) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes she's a good DM/GM... " "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot
metadigital Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 But, why isn't Star Trek fantasy then? Or is it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There ain't much science in Star Trek, either ... a lot more than Star Wars, but still not much. If one has some writing nous, it is quite easy to see the "seams" in the plot, where the writers have gone to the trecknobabbelists and said "we need something to stop the group from communicating with the ship here" and "something happens and the ship is unable to follow them" etc. The writers have become more skilled in the art of writing for Star Trek, though, as the series have matured over the decades: now they have special "experts" who give advice to the writers (or rather did) when required ... so that "Heisenberg compensators" are now part of the technical landscape in teleporters, and "inertial dampeners" go offline when the actors run sideways on the set pretending that the ship has just hit something, for example. Space Opera is a good term. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Nartwak Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 Tch, if you just going to go and explain it all...
metadigital Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 Oops! :"> Sorry for breaking the illusion ... " ... But I have no choice, so you all should suffer my fate, too ... OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Kaftan Barlast Posted March 30, 2006 Author Posted March 30, 2006 But, but, but... what about Battlestar Galactica? ) DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
metadigital Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 Lorne Greene was kewl! What was the question? OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Kaftan Barlast Posted March 30, 2006 Author Posted March 30, 2006 Is Battlestar Galactica(the new series) Science-Fiction? DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
metadigital Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 Haven't seen it. What do you think? OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Kaftan Barlast Posted March 30, 2006 Author Posted March 30, 2006 Haven't seen it. What do you think? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> *thinks* Is has: -Spaceships -Robots So... its Sci-fi alright DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
Plano Skywalker Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 Haven't seen it. What do you think? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> hmmm, that is a tough one. on the one hand, the fact that there are no aliens or empaths, etc would steer me to say no. on the other hand, the Terminator-style SENTIENT ARTIFICIAL HUMANOID who has feelings is really well done and lends itself to the sci-fi label. it's kind of like Firefly...not sure what to call it...I just know that it is good stuff.
Surreptishus Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 An example of space setting not necessarily being sci fi: There's Robert Louis Stephenson's story Treasure Island, which is about pirates and stuff. There is also Disney's Treasure Planet, which is the same story but set in space... it doesn't suddenly become sci-fi. The term "space opera" was coined for this kind of instance... Its also what L. Ron Hubbard called his story about Xenu, thetans and things
metadigital Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 Which is precisely why I don't use an either-or nomenclature for Fantasy and SF, but rather a spectrum. After all, as Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law states "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Surreptishus Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 Yes, strictly speaking its all a big fantasy spectrum, with extremes. In the context of this thread I would specify the "fantasy" in the title as stuff with elves and fairies and crap.
metadigital Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 ... Mainly crap. " OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
Judge Hades Posted March 30, 2006 Posted March 30, 2006 Is the primary themes of Battlestar Galactica integral to science fiction. If you remove the technology does the overall story line still work or not? In the case of BSG, if you remove the robots and space ships the story would break apart so yes it is Science Fiction because what the primary conflict of the story deals with.
Gabrielle Posted March 31, 2006 Posted March 31, 2006 ... Mainly crap. " <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ignorance is not knowledge.
metadigital Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 ... And opinion is not fact! OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT
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