Lucius Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 (edited) They apologized for causing people to feel angry, but not for printing the article itself since that is their right according to the law. As for the flag burning, I'm beginning to know a little how the average American might feel. Although it doesn't make me downright angry, I just feel slightly puzzled, as I know doing stuff like that will only harm their own cause. Edited February 3, 2006 by Lucius DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
213374U Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 I did say "they feel". Without an explanation, the image can very easily be taken in that light. Indeed. Are we to apologize for the lies a bunch of short-sighted extremists choose to spread to further their agendas, then? - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
kumquatq3 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 They apologized for causing people to feel angry, but not for printing the article itself since that is their right according to the law. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> good point
Jorian Drake Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 They are mad that Muhammad was depicted and especially mad that he was depicted with a bomb on his head. They feel, and understandably so, that the image depicts all Muslims are terrorists. I don't think that's the idea behind that particular caricature. I'm more inclined to believe it's a way of hinting the form in which some have chosen to interpret the prophet's message, and therefore, depicting Islamic terrorism as Muhammad's brainchild, in a twisted way. I did say "they feel". Without an explanation, the image can very easily be taken in that light. A sad mistake, if you ask me. agreed <{POST_SNAPBACK}> '...There is no Peace, there is Anger...' I modified a little the Sith/Jedi truth
kumquatq3 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 As for the flag burning, I'm beginning to know a little how the average American might feel. The average American doesn't "feel". No time between TV shows.
Lucius Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 (edited) As for the flag burning, I'm beginning to know a little how the average American might feel. The average American doesn't "feel". No time between TV shows. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Awww c'mon, don't be so hard on yourself, surely American Idol and 24 aren't on the air all the time? And stop trying to derail, you little devil you. :angry: PS. Your post summed it up pretty good, considering you haven't read the thread. Edited February 3, 2006 by Lucius DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
astr0creep Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 As for the flag burning, I'm beginning to know a little how the average American might feel. The average American doesn't "feel". No time between TV shows. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Awww c'mon, don't be so hard on yourself, surely American Idol and 24 aren't on the air all the time? And stop trying to derail, you little devil you. :angry: PS. Your post summed it up pretty good, considering you haven't read the thread. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, American Idol and 24 ARE on allthe time. http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/
kumquatq3 Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Spain's El Pais prints front page Mohammad cartoon The cartoon, originally published by France's Le Monde, portrayed the head of the Prophet Mohammad made up of lines which say "I must not draw Mohammad" in French.
Meshugger Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Excellent avatar, numberman The muslim community are angry over by the picture of muhammed being a terrorist. What do they do? They answer with terrorist threats, oh the irony. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
213374U Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Spain's El Pais prints front page Mohammad cartoon The cartoon, originally published by France's Le Monde, portrayed the head of the Prophet Mohammad made up of lines which say "I must not draw Mohammad" in French. Wow. I had no idea. For once, I feel proud... Excellent avatar, numberman Thanks, I've been wanting to use it for some time. It's not as swasti-tastik as I'd like, but oh well. You can't have everything I guess. The muslim community are angry over by the picture of muhammed being a terrorist. What do they do? They answer with terrorist threats, oh the irony. Well, terrorist threats have been proven to work in the past. Why shouldn't they now? - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Cantousent Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 snip snap The fact that we are even pondering these questions is sad proof as to the weak moral state we live in, now. Or maybe not, as we will go as far as re-examining the validity of such strongly rooted ideas such as freedom of speech and press, and weight them against... what? Tradition, ignorance, and intolerance. Again, the irony. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I didn't pondering anything, dammit. I've said, from the first to the last that I freedom of speech must win the day. There's never been pondering. Hell, I've seen Jesus parodied in a snickers commercial and I never said that the person in question (thanks, Lonewolf) should be reprimanded on the board or denied the right to post. Still, I will contend that it is offensive to ridicule and deride someone's beleifs in such a manner. Using Jesus in a parody of a snickers comercial is in poor taste. Like porn, I can't describe it in advance but I can sure as hell spot it when I see it. All the arguments you can cite regarding taste and what is or is not offensive, how such things change over time, are irrelevant. A survey would probably show the majority of Europeans find the material offensive to some degree. If you think about it, however, my argument is stronger for accepting that the images are offensive. Because I argue that Freedom of Speech rules even when the content is offensive. There must be something more involved. The laws regarding pornography restrict it, but it is still possible to access porn. So, by your standard, we could just get enough people to agree it's offensive to have the Cartoon in question censored. That's not enough. So, I'll just say that even if the item is offensive, there must be some greater reason for it to be censored. Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends!
Colrom Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 (edited) There is altogether too much disgusting Islamophobic ridicule and misinformation in this thread - much of it orchestrated by Lucius. Whether it was legal or illegal it was harmful and wrong. Past wrongs do not justify it. Because Muslims protest is not good reason to further ridicule them. There is no "they" there is only "us". Edited February 3, 2006 by Colrom As dark is the absence of light, so evil is the absence of good. If you would destroy evil, do good. Evil cannot be perfected. Thank God.
Moose Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 There are none that are right, only strong of opinion. There are none that are wrong, only ignorant of facts
Fionavar Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 And with that lovely image, I think it has arrived at time-out time in the sandbox. Please exit to the left and right of the jungle gym as the sweepers arrive ... The universe is change; your life is what our thoughts make it - Marcus Aurelius (161)
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