Taking turn base action out of RPGs...

[Arkan]

Well, I consider the talking skills part of the "thief" line.. so that's why I consolidated it to two main classes, a hybrid and what's left.  "

 

Speaking of System Shock 2... it's pretty "classless" all things considered.

 

The "classes" you choose are more or less the same as picking "tag skills", the game is open ended in the skill sets as well.

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I've completed Fallout using a smart, charismatic, scientist character. Little combat skills, no "thief" skills. What class this?

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Mine would probably "class" as sniper.

 

High ranged skills, self sufficient.

[Volourn]

Hmm.. Weird. Last i checked, FO is classless by the very definition of the term. Afterall, all skills, perks, and so forth are available to every character that have the minimum requirements that do not include classes.

 

There is no 'fighter' or 'rogue' class in the game.

[Darque]

Well, I consider the talking skills part of the "thief" line.. so that's why I consolidated it to two main classes, a hybrid and what's left.  "

 

Speaking of System Shock 2... it's pretty "classless" all things considered.

 

The "classes" you choose are more or less the same as picking "tag skills", the game is open ended in the skill sets as well.

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I've completed Fallout using a smart, charismatic, scientist character. Little combat skills, no "thief" skills. What class this?

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Lucky

[Slowtrain]

Well, I consider the talking skills part of the "thief" line.. so that's why I consolidated it to two main classes, a hybrid and what's left.  "

 

Speaking of System Shock 2... it's pretty "classless" all things considered.

 

The "classes" you choose are more or less the same as picking "tag skills", the game is open ended in the skill sets as well.

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I would consider System SHock 2, Fallout, Morrowind to all be classless games since you define a player character based on the skills you develop not the class you choose.

 

In a classful game, your class defines the skills you are permitted to develop.

[Darque]

Hmm.. Weird. Last i checked, FO is classless by the very definition of the term. Afterall, all skills, perks, and so forth are available to every character that have the minimum requirements that do not include classes.

 

There is no 'fighter' or 'rogue' class in the game.

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*pats Volourn on the head*

 

We'll call them "archtypes" then to make you feel better.

 

[Darque]

Well, I consider the talking skills part of the "thief" line.. so that's why I consolidated it to two main classes, a hybrid and what's left.  "

 

Speaking of System Shock 2... it's pretty "classless" all things considered.

 

The "classes" you choose are more or less the same as picking "tag skills", the game is open ended in the skill sets as well.

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I would consider System SHock 2, Fallout, Morrowind to all be classless games since you define a player character based on the skills you develop not the class you choose.

 

In a classful game, your class defines the skills you are permitted to develop.

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Oh, I'd call them classless too, but that still doesn't change the fact they're built around certain class....errr archtypes

 

And to appease people who say "Well I beat it without a class....errr archtype"... There's two ways to beat classless games...

 

The right way and the other way.

 

The other way is the like the right way but slower and less certain

[Nightblade]

TB = cardboard game. 

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RT = twitchfest

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Ok, I'll settle for RT with pause, and a kiss.. "

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

People generally just make X class with some added skill which they couldnt normally have.

 

This should be a new thread anyway

Edited December 9, 2005 by ShadowPaladin V1.0

[Darque]

People generally just make X class with some added skill which they couldnt normally have.

 

This should be a new thread anyway

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Umm... we're calling them archtypes now to appease Volorun.

[Slowtrain]

Archetypes are the cornerstone of fantasy storytelling. Doesn't make them a class.

[Darque]

edit: on reflection... that probably wasn't a nice thing to say.

Edited December 9, 2005 by Darque

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

1. The original pattern or model of a work; or the model from which a thing is made or formed

 

1. A group of individuals ranked together as possessing common characteristics

[Judge Hades]

Why does everyone has to get hung up on rationality> It serves no purpose.

[Janmanden]

On RPG's. I make a distinction between roleplaying and playing a role or a profession. Not the same thing. In my opinion Roleplaying is a mental exercise while playing a role is simply adhering to a codex or style of play. The fight in itself is really pointless beyond the intent to kill, unless you have to make a choice on the actual outcome as well like an opponent that actually pleads for his life for instance...otherwise it's just entertainment.

 

I am a bit hesitant to call Deus Ex, System Shock 2 or Silent Storm RPG's as there is very little or no choice, qualms or moralization on the matter of the role or the character defining dialogue and content. Deus Ex have some, but once you realize how futile and limited everything actually is then...play that role and maintain the illusion or quit. Slabbing a pair of character development **** on a game doesn't really make it female...

 

Create a medic and play as a medic, while it's being a profession is it roleplaying in itself? I think not, it's just a task, job, profession, some tedious thing that has to be done. Classes or profession have very little to do with Roleplaying - even though it might actually help you survive it or do it more brashly.

 

On TB vs. RTS. If you are counting on an element of surprise as in a backstabbing thief then TB is really no good as it obstructs the natural 'flow' of the obvious thing to do, but if you fail that and get into trouble and actually have to *think* about your next move then TB really has a point or points...of strategies and alternatives. I like the way that Fallout: Tactics includes both. Can deal with all the riff-raff quick and easy and go TB whenever you actually face a challenge or you need to coordinate attacks...but despite a few RP choices it's mostly a tactical game and I regard it as such too.

 

On both. Somehow I doubt that you can actually RP in RTS, because thinking about actions and consequences requires a 'little' thought, or TB for that matter, since the combat in itself isn't really genre defining or limiting in any way, in my opinion. Maybe it's just a matter of experience and routine and fleshing out your character from the beginning...but that reallly sounds like clich

[Musopticon?]

So the result is:

 

 

Take TB out of rpgs= a no-go

 

Add both TB and RT to an rpg= very much wanted

 

Que?

[CaptainPants]

No. That's stupid.

[Musopticon?]

Agreed. But such seems to be the synopsis.

[Janmanden]

I don't really think RT or TB has any significance on RPG since it's actually more tied to the entertainment value and or managing chaos.

[Musopticon?]

Yeah, me too. BG had it right; pause when you want, rely on initiative rolls and all that jazz. I felt it simple, but powerful.

[Kaftan Barlast]

Nay! There is only Fallout!! Give me action points and a big, f*cking gun.

 

 

(havent played ToEE though)

[Musopticon?]

I see your Turbo Plasma Rifle and rise you a vorpal blade.

[Gabrielle]

Nay! There is only Fallout!! Give me action points and a big, f*cking gun.

 

 

(havent played ToEE though)

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Give me the Flammer. Toasty! I like watching them do the burning death dance.

[Kaftan Barlast]

I see your Turbo Plasma Rifle and rise you a vorpal blade.

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Oh, yeh? ***** vindicator*

 

You critically hit

Musopticon in the

groin for 450 hit

points, causing

serious pain

 

 

..and theres more where that came from, Buddy "

[Gabrielle]

The Vindicator min gun is cool. Blast people and dogs to chunks.