Grey Jedi

[Miltiades]

I had a discussion not long ago on another site if there can be grey jedi in the SW Universe.

 

Although Kreia is a grey jedi in Kotor 2, she's tend to go to the darkside, making her a dark jedi, not a grey jedi. Although Jolee was a grey jedi in kotor, he tend's to go to the lightside, making him a light jedi, not a grey jedi. That was the opinion of someone. Also other people (so non-jedi) are light or dark, so they could also be grey if jedi could...

 

Can we consider some Jedi grey jedi, or is every jedi a light or darkjedi? And when would a Jedi be considered a grey jedi then if there can be grey jedi?

[Musopticon?]

The whole "system" is a mess.

 

 

The movies had no "sides", just folks who tried to even things out with the force, do its "will" in a sense. Sith on the other hand were folks whose use of the force was perverted. I abhor this new good and evil thingie they've going on. It's like with the druids in D&D; truly neutral, somehting only a few manage to aspring to. Suddenly everything goes ape**** with kits and new 'improved' professions and we've got eveeel shadow druids. Hellooo? Druids weren't good in the first place. Same with the Jedi; the point is not to make "good deeds" or "be a hero". On the contrary; it's to avoid making actions that lead into chaos and disorder. Be it in the galaxy or in general. Balance, you could put it that way.

[DAWUSS]

I had a discussion not long ago on another site if there can be grey jedi in the SW Universe.

 

Although Kreia is a grey jedi in Kotor 2, she's tend to go to the darkside, making her a dark jedi, not a grey jedi. Although Jolee was a grey jedi in kotor, he tend's to go to the lightside, making him a light jedi, not a grey jedi. That was the opinion of someone. Also other people (so non-jedi) are light or dark, so they could also be grey if jedi could...

 

Can we consider some Jedi grey jedi, or is every jedi a light or darkjedi? And when would a Jedi be considered a grey jedi then if there can be grey jedi?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

 

I think a good comparison would be making "Grey" as "sitting on the fence". Doing certain acts will get you on one side of that fence, be it the lightside or the darkside. As we've all seen, several Grey Jedi can be labeled as lightside Jedi (Exile, Jolee) and darkside Jedi (Kreia, Count Dooku)

[DeathScepter]

Grey and Shadow Jedis are the type of Jedis that set out of the set Codes for the Light Side and the Dark Side Jedis.

[Mahf]

I had a discussion not long ago on another site if there can be grey jedi in the SW Universe.

 

Although Kreia is a grey jedi in Kotor 2, she's tend to go to the darkside, making her a dark jedi, not a grey jedi. Although Jolee was a grey jedi in kotor, he tend's to go to the lightside, making him a light jedi, not a grey jedi. That was the opinion of someone. Also other people (so non-jedi) are light or dark, so they could also be grey if jedi could...

 

Can we consider some Jedi grey jedi, or is every jedi a light or darkjedi? And when would a Jedi be considered a grey jedi then if there can be grey jedi?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I think the idea of Grey Jedi conflicts with what we see of the Dark Side in the movies. We never see someone who can go just a little bit into the dark side. It just doesn't work that way. Its too tempting and too powerful. If you try to use it, eventually it will consume you. This is why the Jedi are so cautious, too cautious, actually. But the point is, if you watch the movies, you get the sense that one cannot sit on the fence without either being pulled to the dark side or fleeing towards the light side.

[moreKOTORplz]

I think you can consider grey like what was said before as sitting on the fence. Jolee and Kreia were considered grey because they did not pledge to the Jedi or the Sith, therefore they did not blindly follow a code that makes someone a light sider or a dark sider. However, they did have biases like you said jolee was light and kreia was dark although they were pretty balanced. Although can you honestly say kreia was dark? think about it when you end the game it was almost like you completed another training task or what about the scene at dantoonie where she almost falls over when she comes back to the jedi temple..hmmm? I think she was so dedicated to her students that she pledged fully to them not any code. Btw if you read about Vegere (spelling), kreia's character is a clone of her using the dark side in the name of the light side to do the will of the force.

 

that our i was fooled like anakin <_<

[213374U]

Um... there are no "grey Jedi". A Jedi is an adherent to the Jedi code, which neither Jolee nor Kreia were. When people stop following the Jedi code, they become fallen Jedi, darksiders, or something else. They are not "Jedi" anymore. As "Jedi" is for all intents and purposes a religion, once one stops believing in the tenets of the religion, and stops acting on those beliefs, one is no longer "Jedi".

 

Jolee is more like a fallen Jedi, meaning he just does things his way. Kreia is just a crazy old wench, but she never claims to be Jedi or Sith. She's just crazy.

[BattleCookiee]

*Thread pruned*

 

Hell, that was a lot of personal attacking... which isn't allowed here...

 

And for discussions of the purpose of RPG's I would point you to the Other Games Computer and Console discussion forum.

[Bastilla_Skywalker]

I believe Grey jedi have different beliefs and opinions to both Jedi and dark Jedi. They have a differnet meaning of belief in the force?

[Janmanden]

1. The whole "system" is a mess.
   
2. Hellooo?
   
3. Druids weren't good in the first place.
   
4. Same with the Jedi; the point is not to make "good deeds" or "be a hero". On the contrary; it's to avoid making actions that lead into chaos and disorder. Be it in the galaxy or in general. Balance, you could put it that way.
   

1. ...and pretty narrowminded.
   
2. Hello to you too.
   
3. Not in the extreme sense of the word, as extremes (of good or evil) are upsetting the 'balance' and if they believe that some evil will restore the balance then that seems to be they way they go, thus constantly wavering...as I understand it. Not sure that BG2 is a good example, because even though Jaheira did complain about the 'gullible' goodness she still enjoyed a good reputation and all that, iirc.
   
4. I agree. First line of each code is about Peace vs. Passion i.e. Order vs. Chaos (unlimited freedom). Order isn't necessarily Good and chaos isn't necessarily evil, imo. A combination of order and chaos is the way most people are, I think.
   

[Sikon]

If we added a D&D-style Lawful/Chaotic scale in addition to the Light/Dark (Good/Evil) scale seen in KOTORs, it would remove most of the confusion. Kreia would be Neutral Evil, and Jolee would be Neutral Good (in my opinion). The most morally ambiguous quest in both games (in my opinion), the Sunry trial, would be easily resolved as well: defending Sunry would shift the player towards Chaotic Good, and persuading him to confess would shift the player towards Lawful Evil.

[moreKOTORplz]

I guess it is my bias but i thought kreia was good, i think the ending was just the culmination of her training. However i liked kreia so i think she pulled a palpitine on me :D

[Scurge]

there should be Grey Jedi prestige classes.

[moreKOTORplz]

the only problem would be the ending, how do you have a neutral ending

[Scurge]

Um......The Jedi and Sith Die. Or the Character does not pick a side he just leaves and conitnues to live alone or sets up a grey jedi faction thing or somethin.

[moreKOTORplz]

your right! wasn't that how KOTOR 2 ended