console and PC

[Walsingham]

Ok, Hellykitty, I think I get you. The nature of an FPS is to shift the complexity into the environment rather than the controls.

 

Can you think of any strategy or rpg games where this would be the case?

[Hell Kitty]

Ok, Hellykitty, I think I get you. The nature of an FPS is to shift the complexity into the environment rather than the controls.

 

I think that in all games the complexity should be in the gameplay. Flight Sims would probably require loads of keys, though.

 

Can you think of any strategy or rpg games where this would be the case?

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I can play games like Age of Empires and Rise of Nations, or Baldur's Gate and ToEE entirely with the mouse. The options are all in the interface icons and menus.

Edited November 14, 2005 by Hell Kitty

[alanschu]

You can also play FPS games entirely with the keyboard. I would wager that anyone that plays RTS games entirely with the mouse will become roughly as good as me (i.e. not very good at all).

[Hell Kitty]

Only little babies who cry for their momma rely on keyboard shortcuts. But seriously, there is no reason not using keyboard shortcuts would make the game any harder, unless you were really, really slow with the mouse. Or perhaps I'm just not giving my mad mouse skillz enough credit.

 

Of course, the point is that more keys doesn't equal good mental workout, not how difficult one finds a particular control scheme.

[alanschu]

Not saying that it doesn't mean more or less mental workout. But even if you had mad mouse skillz, they'd only be faster if you actually used both of your hands.

[Hell Kitty]

I played through AoE2, AoM and RoN without using shortcuts. I can't say I ever felt the need to build a barracks 2 seconds faster.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Two of my big beefs with consoles and console games have just crystallised. I'm not trying to flame consoles on their many strengths but anyway...

 

1) Producing a console game is a far higher money enterprise than a PC game. A fact becoming still more pronounced as next gen consoles have minimum budgets in the milions, including distribution and so forth.  PC games, on the other hand can be produced by a couple of guys and distributed online for practically no outlay.

 

2) A console game typically has onlya few buttons, compared with the scads of buttons on my PC keyboard. Surely this means the console will never have as complex games?

 

~~

 

Both these things make me worry that console games are going to soon attain a level of stupefying play-it-safe-n-simple-ness. But that, because of the big money involved games houses will chase this market at the expense of the more richly varied potential on teh PC.

 

~~~

 

Or maybe I just need to shut the hell up. 

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True, but the sales of console games are higher overall too. I doubt it evens out, or developers wouldnt be scrabbling to make console games like they are.

 

With the exceptions of flightsims and things that require actual typing, it's really not a big deal. Key shortcuts may speed things up a bit, although I've found the DS touch screen to be a great method of control.

 

Point me in the direction of this richly varied potential, because I can't say I've seen any on the PC for quite some time.

[metadigital]

Mister Allans Chu, the Board Ninja.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Jimmy Cobblers' brother.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

I played through AoE2, AoM and RoN without using shortcuts. I can't say I ever felt the need to build a barracks 2 seconds faster.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

It's important when it comes to muitiplayer. But if everyone is playing on mouse alone, wouldnt be an issue.

[Diamond]

When it comes to games with lots of shortcuts, I wish I had this.

 

Though it appears to be patented in US by some other entity.

Edited November 15, 2005 by Diamond

[alanschu]

I played through AoE2, AoM and RoN without using shortcuts. I can't say I ever felt the need to build a barracks 2 seconds faster.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

 

Blame that more on scripted AIs.

 

 

If you make this claim in an online environment than I will call you a liar.

[Hell Kitty]

online environment

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I don't do multiplayer.

 

Of course speed would handy in multiplayer, but it's irrelevant to what I was discussing.

[metadigital]

When it comes to games with lots of shortcuts, I wish I had this.

 

Though it appears to be patented in US by some other entity.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah, but the truly

[Surreptishus]

I dont get the point of the hacking keyboard.

 

I would rather have the Optimus

[Diamond]

Ah, but the truly

[metadigital]

I dont get the point of the hacking keyboard.

 

I would rather have the Optimus

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

*sighs*

 

Because real '1337 h@x0rz KNOW where their keys are and don't need the alphanumerics painted on them: that's for n00bz.

[Gabrielle]

I have to look at my keyboard whenever I type.

[metadigital]

That, is why you fail.

[Gabrielle]

Thise is what happems whe n I dpn;t look.

[metadigital]

A good tip is to put your keyboard under the desk (on your lap) and practice. That will stop you automatically looking at the keyboard and you will begin to improve immediately. (I wrote all this without once looking away from the screen.)

[Gabrielle]

I would probably be able to type faster without looking at the keys.

[Musopticon?]

I wrote this without looking off the screen even once. I'm rather proud actually.

Edited November 16, 2005 by Musopticon?

[Diamond]

I wrote this without looking off the screen even once. I'm rather proud actually.

 

This post has been edited by Musopticon?: Today, 01:05 AM

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Spend enough time here and you will eventually pick up touch typing without even realising. Along with being able to type really fast. Unfortunately my message board typing dosnt actually work in the real world so I end up typing really slowly. Although I can still type without looking which is rather handy.

[alanschu]

I used to dominate at games like Odell Lake in elementary school because I knew the keyboard :D