XboxSithLord Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 I read like the first page of post for this subject and was sickened by the fact that I didn't see anyone posting that they wanted Revan back. :"> This is KotoR it is about Revan!!!!!! (w00t) If you want a NEW SW game ask LA to make one don't ask Obsidian to ruin KotoR by making it into one!!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> KOTOR isn't about Revan. It's about the Jedi Knights of the Old Republic and their struggle against the Sith. If it was about Revan, then KOTOR 2 would have had him as the PC, but it didn't. Not to mention the majority of the story had nothing to do with Revan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No just everything behind KOTOR 2's story is about Revan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not really. Kreia's motivations weren't about Revan. The Exile's motivation for seeking the Jedi Masters weren't about Revan. The political crisis on Onderon wasn't about Revan. The main focus of the story was how the Mandalorian and the Jedi Civil war affected various people. Revan was involved in that, but so were a bunch of people. You could argue just as much that the story was then about Malak, since he's the one that destroyed Telos and Dantoine, making those worlds unstable. Revan's part of the story was only highlighted at the end to give the story some "where did Revan go?" oomph to it. The vast majority of the story itself had to do with the characters' past and how they were dealing with it. Saying the KOTOR series is about Revan is like saying the Star Wars EU novels post-RotJ were about Darth Vader. He's mentioned a lot, his actions are commented a lot, his affect on the galaxy is remarked upon. But each individual novel in the EU, while mentioning the above about Vader, were NOT about Darth Vader. Same with KOTOR. Revan's actions are mentioned, Revan's actions have long lasting effects, but the STORY is not about Revan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As the True Sith are the True enemy of the game, Revan is the true hero of the games. Everything that has transpired in the games is mostly of his doing. As it was in his devine plan to destroy the True Sith. Who themselves have done a grand job of hurting and destroying everything that could stand in their way without even making one simple attack. And who has gone to stop them if not Revan. This is Revans story because it's his failure, his war, his sacrifice, his lose. The True Sith were behind the Mandalorian Wars, badly damaging the Greatest army in the Galaxy. Revan found out about this enemy, and made a plan to stop them. To fall to the Dark Side, and conquer the Galaxy so that a grand army would prevail against this great enemy. However his plans went ill when he was captured and given a new memory. He in the end destroyed the very weapon he needed to beat the True Sith, the Star Forge. Now as he has slowly gotten is memory back, he now has to deal with his ultimate failure. Revans plan didn't end up being the Win Win situation he had thought it would be. The Mandalorians are weak, the Republic is weak. In this time Revan knew that only he now was enough to stand in the True Siths way. So he left for the Unknown Regions, and hoped that Canderous and Carth would do their part to make sure the Galaxy remained safe and prepared. However Still Revan is gone, and now thanks to the Exile and Kreia the Jeid and the rest of the Malak/Revan Sith are destroyed. With a Handful of Mandalorians and a small Republic fleet in the way. Who knows what shape the Senate's in. So like it or not Revan is a big part of the story, for he is the reason the story goes on. Exile and Kreia just feel the middle part of the story, and in fact feel in the loose end part of the story. The story on a broader scale is about Revan and the True Sith. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> what the hell are you talking about. go outside
alyak Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 I just want to have a clean system with no glitches, and a reasonable story. That's all.
XboxSithLord Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 I just want to have a clean system with no glitches, and a reasonable story. That's all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i want more than a reasonable story. Im picky.
GhostofAnakin Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 As the True Sith are the True enemy of the game, Revan is the true hero of the games. Everything that has transpired in the games is mostly of his doing. As it was in his devine plan to destroy the True Sith. Who themselves have done a grand job of hurting and destroying everything that could stand in their way without even making one simple attack. And who has gone to stop them if not Revan. This is Revans story because it's his failure, his war, his sacrifice, his lose. The True Sith were behind the Mandalorian Wars, badly damaging the Greatest army in the Galaxy. Revan found out about this enemy, and made a plan to stop them. To fall to the Dark Side, and conquer the Galaxy so that a grand army would prevail against this great enemy. However his plans went ill when he was captured and given a new memory. He in the end destroyed the very weapon he needed to beat the True Sith, the Star Forge. Now as he has slowly gotten is memory back, he now has to deal with his ultimate failure. Revans plan didn't end up being the Win Win situation he had thought it would be. The Mandalorians are weak, the Republic is weak. In this time Revan knew that only he now was enough to stand in the True Siths way. So he left for the Unknown Regions, and hoped that Canderous and Carth would do their part to make sure the Galaxy remained safe and prepared. However Still Revan is gone, and now thanks to the Exile and Kreia the Jeid and the rest of the Malak/Revan Sith are destroyed. With a Handful of Mandalorians and a small Republic fleet in the way. Who knows what shape the Senate's in. So like it or not Revan is a big part of the story, for he is the reason the story goes on. Exile and Kreia just feel the middle part of the story, and in fact feel in the loose end part of the story. The story on a broader scale is about Revan and the True Sith. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Saying the KOTOR series is "Revan's story" is wrong though, despite that stuff you wrote. Revan had zero impact on the actual events that happened in TSL. Revan wasn't the one who killed Sion, Nihilus and Treya. Revan wasn't the one who calmed the political strife on Onderon. Revan wasn't the one who found and gathered the Jedi Masters on Dantooine. The EVENTS of Revan's life are big parts of the overall story. Just like the EVENTS of Darth Vader's life will always be a big part of the Star Wars EU. But the stories themselves aren't necessarily about them. I don't think you're understanding the distinction I'm trying to make. Just because events Revan was involved in or caused to happen are mentioned and have SOME effect on the stuff we encounter in TSL, doesn't mean the entire story of TSL is about Revan. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
XboxSithLord Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 As the True Sith are the True enemy of the game, Revan is the true hero of the games. Everything that has transpired in the games is mostly of his doing. As it was in his devine plan to destroy the True Sith. Who themselves have done a grand job of hurting and destroying everything that could stand in their way without even making one simple attack. And who has gone to stop them if not Revan. This is Revans story because it's his failure, his war, his sacrifice, his lose. The True Sith were behind the Mandalorian Wars, badly damaging the Greatest army in the Galaxy. Revan found out about this enemy, and made a plan to stop them. To fall to the Dark Side, and conquer the Galaxy so that a grand army would prevail against this great enemy. However his plans went ill when he was captured and given a new memory. He in the end destroyed the very weapon he needed to beat the True Sith, the Star Forge. Now as he has slowly gotten is memory back, he now has to deal with his ultimate failure. Revans plan didn't end up being the Win Win situation he had thought it would be. The Mandalorians are weak, the Republic is weak. In this time Revan knew that only he now was enough to stand in the True Siths way. So he left for the Unknown Regions, and hoped that Canderous and Carth would do their part to make sure the Galaxy remained safe and prepared. However Still Revan is gone, and now thanks to the Exile and Kreia the Jeid and the rest of the Malak/Revan Sith are destroyed. With a Handful of Mandalorians and a small Republic fleet in the way. Who knows what shape the Senate's in. So like it or not Revan is a big part of the story, for he is the reason the story goes on. Exile and Kreia just feel the middle part of the story, and in fact feel in the loose end part of the story. The story on a broader scale is about Revan and the True Sith. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Saying the KOTOR series is "Revan's story" is wrong though, despite that stuff you wrote. Revan had zero impact on the actual events that happened in TSL. Revan wasn't the one who killed Sion, Nihilus and Treya. Revan wasn't the one who calmed the political strife on Onderon. Revan wasn't the one who found and gathered the Jedi Masters on Dantooine. The EVENTS of Revan's life are big parts of the overall story. Just like the EVENTS of Darth Vader's life will always be a big part of the Star Wars EU. But the stories themselves aren't necessarily about them. I don't think you're understanding the distinction I'm trying to make. Just because events Revan was involved in or caused to happen are mentioned and have SOME effect on the stuff we encounter in TSL, doesn't mean the entire story of TSL is about Revan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i agree a 110%
Darth Nuke Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 As the True Sith are the True enemy of the game, Revan is the true hero of the games. Everything that has transpired in the games is mostly of his doing. As it was in his devine plan to destroy the True Sith. Who themselves have done a grand job of hurting and destroying everything that could stand in their way without even making one simple attack. And who has gone to stop them if not Revan. This is Revans story because it's his failure, his war, his sacrifice, his lose. The True Sith were behind the Mandalorian Wars, badly damaging the Greatest army in the Galaxy. Revan found out about this enemy, and made a plan to stop them. To fall to the Dark Side, and conquer the Galaxy so that a grand army would prevail against this great enemy. However his plans went ill when he was captured and given a new memory. He in the end destroyed the very weapon he needed to beat the True Sith, the Star Forge. Now as he has slowly gotten is memory back, he now has to deal with his ultimate failure. Revans plan didn't end up being the Win Win situation he had thought it would be. The Mandalorians are weak, the Republic is weak. In this time Revan knew that only he now was enough to stand in the True Siths way. So he left for the Unknown Regions, and hoped that Canderous and Carth would do their part to make sure the Galaxy remained safe and prepared. However Still Revan is gone, and now thanks to the Exile and Kreia the Jeid and the rest of the Malak/Revan Sith are destroyed. With a Handful of Mandalorians and a small Republic fleet in the way. Who knows what shape the Senate's in. So like it or not Revan is a big part of the story, for he is the reason the story goes on. Exile and Kreia just feel the middle part of the story, and in fact feel in the loose end part of the story. The story on a broader scale is about Revan and the True Sith. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Saying the KOTOR series is "Revan's story" is wrong though, despite that stuff you wrote. Revan had zero impact on the actual events that happened in TSL. Revan wasn't the one who killed Sion, Nihilus and Treya. Revan wasn't the one who calmed the political strife on Onderon. Revan wasn't the one who found and gathered the Jedi Masters on Dantooine. The EVENTS of Revan's life are big parts of the overall story. Just like the EVENTS of Darth Vader's life will always be a big part of the Star Wars EU. But the stories themselves aren't necessarily about them. I don't think you're understanding the distinction I'm trying to make. Just because events Revan was involved in or caused to happen are mentioned and have SOME effect on the stuff we encounter in TSL, doesn't mean the entire story of TSL is about Revan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But Revan is the Hero fo the story. Darth Vader is dead, Revan is alive. Revan is still going on with his plan. He hasn't disappeared from the story, he's continuieing it. If it wasn't for Revan the events of KOTOR 2 wouldn't have transpired. Was it not Revan who sent the Hawk back to know space with T3's information? KOTOR 2 is a smaller story in the middle of something that is about the heat up on a much broader scale, and Revan is right in the middle of it. Not Exile or some new PC. So Revan is apart of this story, and a big part at that. Whether you like it or not. He will be apart of KOTOR 3, and I believe he will have more than a mention. Revan didn't have to apart of KOTOR 2 to have an impact on it. AT the end we find out that he's doing the big job, and all by himself. the KOTOR story may not be about Revan, but he is a Big part of it none the less. In the end the OT is about Anakin not Luke, but Luke is a big part of it none the less. KOTOR 2 must be completed
XboxSithLord Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 As the True Sith are the True enemy of the game, Revan is the true hero of the games. Everything that has transpired in the games is mostly of his doing. As it was in his devine plan to destroy the True Sith. Who themselves have done a grand job of hurting and destroying everything that could stand in their way without even making one simple attack. And who has gone to stop them if not Revan. This is Revans story because it's his failure, his war, his sacrifice, his lose. The True Sith were behind the Mandalorian Wars, badly damaging the Greatest army in the Galaxy. Revan found out about this enemy, and made a plan to stop them. To fall to the Dark Side, and conquer the Galaxy so that a grand army would prevail against this great enemy. However his plans went ill when he was captured and given a new memory. He in the end destroyed the very weapon he needed to beat the True Sith, the Star Forge. Now as he has slowly gotten is memory back, he now has to deal with his ultimate failure. Revans plan didn't end up being the Win Win situation he had thought it would be. The Mandalorians are weak, the Republic is weak. In this time Revan knew that only he now was enough to stand in the True Siths way. So he left for the Unknown Regions, and hoped that Canderous and Carth would do their part to make sure the Galaxy remained safe and prepared. However Still Revan is gone, and now thanks to the Exile and Kreia the Jeid and the rest of the Malak/Revan Sith are destroyed. With a Handful of Mandalorians and a small Republic fleet in the way. Who knows what shape the Senate's in. So like it or not Revan is a big part of the story, for he is the reason the story goes on. Exile and Kreia just feel the middle part of the story, and in fact feel in the loose end part of the story. The story on a broader scale is about Revan and the True Sith. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Saying the KOTOR series is "Revan's story" is wrong though, despite that stuff you wrote. Revan had zero impact on the actual events that happened in TSL. Revan wasn't the one who killed Sion, Nihilus and Treya. Revan wasn't the one who calmed the political strife on Onderon. Revan wasn't the one who found and gathered the Jedi Masters on Dantooine. The EVENTS of Revan's life are big parts of the overall story. Just like the EVENTS of Darth Vader's life will always be a big part of the Star Wars EU. But the stories themselves aren't necessarily about them. I don't think you're understanding the distinction I'm trying to make. Just because events Revan was involved in or caused to happen are mentioned and have SOME effect on the stuff we encounter in TSL, doesn't mean the entire story of TSL is about Revan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But Revan is the Hero fo the story. Darth Vader is dead, Revan is alive. Revan is still going on with his plan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> well the story isnt over yet. Vader wasn't dead in Episode 5 and thats just about where we are in the story. 3rd installment.
Darth Nuke Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 Yes and his story continuied, as will Revans. KOTOR 2 must be completed
XboxSithLord Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 As the True Sith are the True enemy of the game, Revan is the true hero of the games. Everything that has transpired in the games is mostly of his doing. As it was in his devine plan to destroy the True Sith. Who themselves have done a grand job of hurting and destroying everything that could stand in their way without even making one simple attack. And who has gone to stop them if not Revan. This is Revans story because it's his failure, his war, his sacrifice, his lose. The True Sith were behind the Mandalorian Wars, badly damaging the Greatest army in the Galaxy. Revan found out about this enemy, and made a plan to stop them. To fall to the Dark Side, and conquer the Galaxy so that a grand army would prevail against this great enemy. However his plans went ill when he was captured and given a new memory. He in the end destroyed the very weapon he needed to beat the True Sith, the Star Forge. Now as he has slowly gotten is memory back, he now has to deal with his ultimate failure. Revans plan didn't end up being the Win Win situation he had thought it would be. The Mandalorians are weak, the Republic is weak. In this time Revan knew that only he now was enough to stand in the True Siths way. So he left for the Unknown Regions, and hoped that Canderous and Carth would do their part to make sure the Galaxy remained safe and prepared. However Still Revan is gone, and now thanks to the Exile and Kreia the Jeid and the rest of the Malak/Revan Sith are destroyed. With a Handful of Mandalorians and a small Republic fleet in the way. Who knows what shape the Senate's in. So like it or not Revan is a big part of the story, for he is the reason the story goes on. Exile and Kreia just feel the middle part of the story, and in fact feel in the loose end part of the story. The story on a broader scale is about Revan and the True Sith. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Saying the KOTOR series is "Revan's story" is wrong though, despite that stuff you wrote. Revan had zero impact on the actual events that happened in TSL. Revan wasn't the one who killed Sion, Nihilus and Treya. Revan wasn't the one who calmed the political strife on Onderon. Revan wasn't the one who found and gathered the Jedi Masters on Dantooine. The EVENTS of Revan's life are big parts of the overall story. Just like the EVENTS of Darth Vader's life will always be a big part of the Star Wars EU. But the stories themselves aren't necessarily about them. I don't think you're understanding the distinction I'm trying to make. Just because events Revan was involved in or caused to happen are mentioned and have SOME effect on the stuff we encounter in TSL, doesn't mean the entire story of TSL is about Revan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If it wasn't for Revan the events of KOTOR 2 wouldn't have transpired. Was it not Revan who sent the Hawk back to know space with T3's information? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> if it wasn't for Vader then where would r2d2's information be? you gotta understand that both are key roles in the story, but they are not what the whole story is based around. Read this Long before the Galactic Civil War, an epic drama begins. Engage in this saga set in the Golden Age of the Republic - over 4,000 years before the first Star Wars film, when both Jedi and Sith number in the thousands. With the Galaxy reeling from a recent conflict with the Dark Lords, the ongoing battle between the Jedi and the Sith rages on. Your actions determine the outcome of this colossal galactic war - and your destiny as a Jedi. it isnt saying anything about revans reign. luke was the last hope for the republic, as was revan in kotor1. They all play a role, but its not all based on revan, or vader, or luke
XboxSithLord Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 Yes and his story continuied, as will Revans. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yea, but u said "Darth Vader is dead, Revan lives" what does that have to do with anything? The killing of darth vader was the end of the saga... so just cause vader was dead doesnt mean he was still what Star Wars's story was based on. As with Revan
Darth Nuke Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 And Revan, Luke, and Vader are all prominant characters in each story. However at the end of 6 films whom the story is about. and I assume the same will apply for Revan. Revans role in KOTOR 3 will be quite major I feel, because to leave him out will leave a grand plot hole that no mear mention will fix. I believe I have read enough Star Wars stories, and played enough Star Wars games to know this to be true. KOTOR 2 must be completed
Darth Nuke Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 Yes and his story continuied, as will Revans. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yea, but u said "Darth Vader is dead, Revan lives" what does that have to do with anything? The killing of darth vader was the end of the saga... so just cause vader was dead doesnt mean he was still what Star Wars's story was based on. As with Revan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ahh, The killing of Darth Vader ended the Sega, a Sega which is one of the main characters and remains so out of 6 films. You say that when Vader dies that is the end. REVAN isn't DEAD and KOTOR 2 continuies his story, and makes him apart of the the True threat of the next GAME. The True Sith, his True Enemy, his reason for doing all he did. To think he will not be apart of the game in a major form will basically make this Trilogy dumb as hell. I think you guys are looking at this from a RPG scale. It doesn't work that way, this is Star Wars. KOTOR 2 must be completed
XboxSithLord Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 Yes and his story continuied, as will Revans. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yea, but u said "Darth Vader is dead, Revan lives" what does that have to do with anything? The killing of darth vader was the end of the saga... so just cause vader was dead doesnt mean he was still what Star Wars's story was based on. As with Revan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ahh, The killing of Darth Vader ended the Sega, a Sega which is one of the main characters and remains so out of 6 films. You say that when Vader dies that is the end. REVAN isn't DEAD and KOTOR 2 continuies his story, and makes him apart of the the True threat of the next GAME. The True Sith, his True Enemy, his reason for doing all he did. To think he will not be apart of the game in a major form will basically make this Trilogy dumb as hell. I think you guys are looking at this from a RPG scale. It doesn't work that way, this is Star Wars. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> omg no. What im trying to say to you is that even though Revan plays a huge part in KOTOR he is not the whole story. The whole story is based on either saving the galaxy or ruling it. Not Revan
Darth Nuke Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 Yes and his story continuied, as will Revans. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yea, but u said "Darth Vader is dead, Revan lives" what does that have to do with anything? The killing of darth vader was the end of the saga... so just cause vader was dead doesnt mean he was still what Star Wars's story was based on. As with Revan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ahh, The killing of Darth Vader ended the Sega, a Sega which is one of the main characters and remains so out of 6 films. You say that when Vader dies that is the end. REVAN isn't DEAD and KOTOR 2 continuies his story, and makes him apart of the the True threat of the next GAME. The True Sith, his True Enemy, his reason for doing all he did. To think he will not be apart of the game in a major form will basically make this Trilogy dumb as hell. I think you guys are looking at this from a RPG scale. It doesn't work that way, this is Star Wars. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> omg no. What im trying to say to you is that even though Revan plays a huge part in KOTOR he is not the whole story. The whole story is based on either saving the galaxy or ruling it. Not Revan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of course, that's the same with most Star Wars stories, but each has their hero's. A Revan's is this era's. Exile isn't the hero, he wasn't meant to be, his story deals with much deeper problems. Revan is facing the TRUE THREAT, and alone for that matter. KOTOR 2 must be completed
XboxSithLord Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 haha i dont even know what we are talking about anymore. So sorry, but im gonna get back on topic. I thought we were talking about you thinkin Revan is the whole story. K well im done with this cause im gettin rlly bored arguing about Star Wars
Darth Nuke Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 Have you even looked at the story of KOTOR 2. See the True Sith have always been the enemy. Revans enemy the reason he did this and that in the Jedi Civil War. The story has always been about the True Sith, except that they have played their war smart like Palpatine did, and stayed out of it and let others fight it. So Revans great enemy is the True Sith. It has always been the True Sith whether he knew it at the time or not. Revan's story continuies in KOTOR 3, and I'm sure he will play a major part concidering this whole story in the end is about him vs the True Sith. KOTOR 2 didn't need to be about Revan or the True Sith to make them the key factors in the next game. KOTOR 2 made everything more dire now then it was in KOTOR 1. Now only a Hero, an Exile, a small army of Mandalorians, and a small Republic navy stand in the way of the Greatest Threat the galaxy will face. Revan not a key character, HA, please. KOTOR 2 must be completed
XboxSithLord Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 do u have AIM or AOL i would like 2 discuss this further, but hard on here.
Darth Nuke Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 w4361 is my screen name KOTOR 2 must be completed
ncr Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 Am I the only one who shudders at the mention of "True Sith"?
XboxSithLord Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 Am I the only one who shudders at the mention of "True Sith"? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i agree. I dont like the idea of"true sith" kinda interveins with the movies
Darth Nuke Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 Am I the only one who shudders at the mention of "True Sith"? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't personally care. The have been established as the main enemy so there for they are. KOTOR 3 will clearly be about them. KOTOR 2 must be completed
GhostofAnakin Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 the KOTOR story may not be about Revan, but he is a Big part of it none the less. In the end the OT is about Anakin not Luke, but Luke is a big part of it none the less. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've never argued against that so I'm not sure why you're disagreeing with my comments. In fact, I pointed out the fact that Revan is a big part of the story and events of the KOTOR series, but the series is not Revan's story. I originally quoted a guy that stated that the KOTOR series would be ruined if they didn't make Revan the PC because the KOTOR series was about Revan's story. That's simply not the case. So you either agree with me, or you contradict your own comments which I quoted. You can't have it both ways. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
ncr Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 In the DS ending Kreia says that she and Exile are both "True Sith", so I'm even more confused...
Bastilla_Skywalker Posted June 28, 2005 Posted June 28, 2005 Revan better be in Kotor III Press Teh Button
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