Useful Information Thread!

[metadigital]

Ther's nothing worng with the military or police having guns - its what they do.

The problem occurs with civilians having easy access to high powered weaponry. The NRA should chill, the british won't come back - i promise

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The NRA are there to overthrow the government in the case that it turns on the people ...

[Darth Flatus]

if that happened would Charlton Heston be the premier of the US?

 

First order of business double the security on all apes and cease all educational programs for apes...

[Volourn]

"agree 100%, guns should only be in the hands of the police and the military,"

 

Agreed. The military, and police should have all the guns, and all the power and if we don't obey them they can kill us at their whim and there's nothing we can do about it.

 

LONG LIVE DICTATORS!

[Darth Flatus]

[Draken]

This is now turned into some sort of Gun Thread. This is what I get for trying to give useful information to the world...

[metadigital]

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I wonder which Witcheta has possessed Volo? :ph34r:

[Lucius]

"agree 100%, guns should only be in the hands of the police and the military,"

 

Agreed. The military, and police should have all the guns, and all the power and if we don't obey them they can kill us at their whim and there's nothing we can do about it.

 

LONG LIVE DICTATORS!

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What kind of bull**** post is that? Are you trying to tell me that most, if not all, of Western Europes nations are ruled by dictators? (except for Switzerland, of course)

[Volourn]

Heh. I'm just sayin' I wouldn't want to live in a world or country where all the power lied in a small group. There's a lot fo that alreayd; by confirming it with a literal banning of all guns for everyone but police and armies; it would spell the doom of everyone. Not to mention, if civilians cna't have guns; I guess we'd expect them to hunt with knives. How logical...

 

 

"What kind of bull**** post is that? Are you trying to tell me that most, if not all, of Western Europes nations are ruled by dictators? (except for Switzerland, of course)"

 

No. What i'm saying is if someone in control of the army/police force in those countries decided to start a bdictaorship it be a lot harder tod efend yourself than say in a country where everyone is legally allowed to own a gun.

 

For the record, the percentage of LEGAL gun owners commiting violent crimes is really low. Guns do not make criminals, and making guns illegal and only in the hands of police/the army does tow things: It gives too much power to the State, and to the actual criminals who don't care if their gun is illegal or not.

[Fionavar]

We seem in danger of derailing the thread by an absence of productive and useful information ...

[Lucius]

Heh. I'm just sayin' I wouldn't want to live in a world or country where all the power lied in a small group. There's a lot fo that alreayd; by confirming it with a literal banning of all guns for everyone but police and armies; it would spell the doom of everyone. Not to mention, if civilians cna't have guns; I guess we'd expect them to hunt  with knives. How logical...

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For once in your life try to make a little sense? Are we doomed in most of Europe because only the police and military have firearms? We weren't talking about a few hunting rifles here, of course you can get a hunting license, but that's not a very handy nor easily concealed weapon now is it?

 

::Edit:: "No. What i'm saying is if someone in control of the army/police force in those countries decided to start a bdictaorship it be a lot harder tod efend yourself than say in a country where everyone is legally allowed to own a gun."

 

Guess what, noone is "in charge" of the army or the police here, no one man can command the army or command the police force, the senario that you're describing is ridicules to say the least.

[Volourn]

Hey, my information provided in my posts are useful and productivbe in this thread and I'm also not flamed one person either...

[Draken]

Useful Information #5: People seem more intrested in guns and dictators then in useful information.

 

Useful Information#6: Since the graphics in the newly announced X-Box 360 title Gears of War are so f***** sweet, we can expect amazing graphics of KOTOR comes to the 360.

[11XHooah]

Ther's nothing worng with the military or police having guns - its what they do.

The problem occurs with civilians having easy access to high powered weaponry. The NRA should chill, the british won't come back - i promise

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Oh and Hooah it's actually an upgraded M16, Canadian manufactured rifle called C7.

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Yeah, I thought it looked different from the M16 models that the U.S. uses. Thanks for the info.

 

Now for those who think that civilians should not have guns, I have to disagree. I do agree, however, that civilians should not be allowed access to high powered military weaponry such as the M82 Barrett. I don't see the point of a civilian owning a 50 caliber weapon other than saying "hey, look what I got."

Weapons should be permitted to the public in case a coup is needed, in the case that the government gains too much power and needs to be overthrown. And should a nation be invaded, resistance forces can be mobilized out of civilians that own weapons, and can assist the nation's military in fighting back the enemy force. Don't worry Fionovar, I'm done now. Only useful info now

 

Now for my useful information, which pertains to the Army Rangers.

Did you know the name RANGER was selected by General Truscott because the name Commandos rightfully belonged to the British, and we sought a name more typically American. It was therefore fit that the organization that was destined to be the first of the American Ground Forces to battle Germans on the European continent should be called Rangers in compliment to those in American history who exemplified the high standards of courage, initiative, determination and ruggedness, fighting ability and achievement.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

You could merge the two threads and just have an information thread. They would cancel each other out.

[Lucius]

...resistance forces can be mobilized out of civilians that own weapons, and can assist the nation's military in fighting back the enemy force.

 

But wouldn't this be against the Geneva Conventions? An irregular fighter out of uniform, those are the same kind of people you call terrorists in Iraq. ^_^

[213374U]

Weapons should be permitted to the public in case a coup is needed, in the case that the government gains too much power and needs to be overthrown. And should a nation be invaded, resistance forces can be mobilized out of civilians that own weapons, and can assist the nation's military in fighting back the enemy force.

Do you really think that small caliber guns are a threat to a well equipped military force?

 

And why the hell should you need to be ready to overthrow the very government you have supported in the first place?

 

Civilians shouldn't be allowed to have functional guns. There's no justification for it. If you want to shoot things, get into the army or the police. They are always in need of more people.

[Lucius]

Weapons should be permitted to the public in case a coup is needed, in the case that the government gains too much power and needs to be overthrown. And should a nation be invaded, resistance forces can be mobilized out of civilians that own weapons, and can assist the nation's military in fighting back the enemy force.

Do you really think that small caliber guns are a threat to a well equipped military force?

 

And why the hell should you need to be ready to overthrow the very government you have supported in the first place?

 

Civilians shouldn't be allowed to have functional guns. There's no justification for it. If you want to shoot things, get into the army or the police. They are always in need of more people.

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For once we agree on something. Scary. ^_^

[11XHooah]

...resistance forces can be mobilized out of civilians that own weapons, and can assist the nation's military in fighting back the enemy force.

 

But wouldn't this be against the Geneva Conventions? An irregular fighter out of uniform, those are the same kind of people you call terrorists in Iraq. ^_^

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But last time I checked, those insurgents are focusing more on killing their own people instead of us. I'm talking about a resistance force that only fights the enemy, not one that kills it's own countrymen.

[Darth Flatus]

but if the enemy was the govt then in effect the resistance force would be fighting its own countrymen.

[11XHooah]

Weapons should be permitted to the public in case a coup is needed, in the case that the government gains too much power and needs to be overthrown. And should a nation be invaded, resistance forces can be mobilized out of civilians that own weapons, and can assist the nation's military in fighting back the enemy force.

Do you really think that small caliber guns are a threat to a well equipped military force?

 

And why the hell should you need to be ready to overthrow the very government you have supported in the first place?

 

Civilians shouldn't be allowed to have functional guns. There's no justification for it. If you want to shoot things, get into the army or the police. They are always in need of more people.

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A small caliber gun is better than nothing.

 

And I'm talking hypothetically. What if your government becomes too powerful. To the point where your freedoms begin to be suppressed. It could happen, you never know.

 

This thread has really derailed. I think the green dragon will be shutting it down soon.

[Lucius]

...resistance forces can be mobilized out of civilians that own weapons, and can assist the nation's military in fighting back the enemy force.

 

But wouldn't this be against the Geneva Conventions? An irregular fighter out of uniform, those are the same kind of people you call terrorists in Iraq. ^_^

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But last time I checked, those insurgents are focusing more on killing their own people instead of us. I'm talking about a resistance force that only fights the enemy, not one that kills it's own countrymen.

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But they would still be violating the Geneva Conventions, and from what I gather your government and media (and people too) refer to every armed opposition out of uniform in Iraq as a "terrorist".

[11XHooah]

but if the enemy was the govt then in effect the resistance force would be fighting its own countrymen.

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That it would.

[11XHooah]

...resistance forces can be mobilized out of civilians that own weapons, and can assist the nation's military in fighting back the enemy force.

 

But wouldn't this be against the Geneva Conventions? An irregular fighter out of uniform, those are the same kind of people you call terrorists in Iraq. ^_^

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But last time I checked, those insurgents are focusing more on killing their own people instead of us. I'm talking about a resistance force that only fights the enemy, not one that kills it's own countrymen.

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But they would still be violating the Geneva Conventions, and from what I gather your government and media (and people too) refer to every armed opposition out of uniform in Iraq as a "terrorist".

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Yeah, they're terrorists. They are blowing themselves up, and taking innocent people with them. That doesn't seem terrorist to you?

[Lucius]

I'm not talking about those who blow themselves up, obviously, as this debate is about firearms.

[11XHooah]

I'm not talking about those who blow themselves up, obviously, as this debate is about firearms.

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But that's pretty much the only form of attack that these insurgents are using.

 

And this discussion actually shouldn't be about firearms, it should be about "useful information"