WITHTEETH Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 I know that Lutherans are moslty Liberals. God the ELCA might be considering gays into the church minstry. So im thinking of joining the more conservative Lutheran churches. Yes Jesus did help the poor, but did Jesus ask that the government has to be the care giver to the poor. No, he asked you the indvidual to be the caring of the poor. I donate some money, can food, and I used to voluteer sometimes too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I really wonder how much money goes to the poor through the organization. IBut if we add socialism to our democracy, can't you see how much more good it would do Capitalism isn't helping me and you, its helping the corporations. only 10% of the US owns 90% of the money. thats not right, so lets balance it. a good education can go along way, and the comfert of healthcare can make people like paying their taxes. Always outnumbered, never out gunned! Unreal Tournament 2004 Handle:Enlight_2.0 Myspace Website! My rig
WITHTEETH Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 The duckbilled platopus doesn't fit into the mammal category, you know why? becasue our system is not good enough! its the same for people, our system is just not good enough yet. Always outnumbered, never out gunned! Unreal Tournament 2004 Handle:Enlight_2.0 Myspace Website! My rig
B5C Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 I really wonder how much money goes to the poor through the organization. IBut if we add socialism to our democracy, can't you see how much more good it would do Capitalism isn't helping me and you, its helping the corporations. only 10% of the US owns 90% of the money. thats not right, so lets balance it. a good education can go along way, and the comfert of healthcare can make people like paying their taxes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tell me where Socialism is working? Well it not working in Cuba, North Kora, and not even the Old USSR. Good look at communist China. Its more capitalist. Socialism brings in big government. Also Socalism brings in lazyness. Shure living Capitalist state is hard, but if you work hard, compete, and gain strength from your weeknesses. You can have a better life. My parents were poor when they got mairred and look at them now 20 years later. They now have great paying jobs worth about $25 an hour.
WITHTEETH Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Ask any scandinavian here, and they will boast how well their social democracy is doing. And by the way you just named off Social dictatorships i believe. Always outnumbered, never out gunned! Unreal Tournament 2004 Handle:Enlight_2.0 Myspace Website! My rig
Rosbjerg Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Ask any scandinavian here, and they will boast how well their social democracy is doing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you said socialism .. which kinda means communism.. but Social Democracy wouldn't work in USA I think .. you need another mentality for it! Fortune favors the bald.
WITHTEETH Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Ask any scandinavian here, and they will boast how well their social democracy is doing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you said socialism .. which kinda means communism.. but Social Democracy wouldn't work in USA I think .. you need another mentality for it! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> grr hope dies last! Always outnumbered, never out gunned! Unreal Tournament 2004 Handle:Enlight_2.0 Myspace Website! My rig
SteveThaiBinh Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Tell me where Socialism is working? Well it not working in Cuba, North Kora, and not even the Old USSR. Good look at communist China. Its more capitalist. Socialism brings in big government. Also Socalism brings in lazyness. Shure living Capitalist state is hard, but if you work hard, compete, and gain strength from your weeknesses. You can have a better life. My parents were poor when they got mairred and look at them now 20 years later. They now have great paying jobs worth about $25 an hour. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, the problems with the Cuban economy are more to do with the US embargo than anything. And did you know that Cuba's education system is better than that of the US? I suppose it depends on what you consider important. Most of the old USSR is not socialist either, that's the problem. When communism fell, all these Western experts came in and said "Market economy. Privatise everything. Capitalism will solve all your problems." So everything was sold off and there was no regulation, so a handful of wealthy elites took control over the economy, leaving many people worse off than they had been under communism. I'm glad for you and your family that you've made it out of the poverty trap. But tell me honestly if you don't know anyone in the US who's worked equally hard and is still desperately poor? "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov)
Baneblade Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Ask any scandinavian here, and they will boast how well their social democracy is doing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, It's Crap... I have to pay 1/3 of my income as taxes. social democracy sucks. but just for the record, I disagree with "B5C" on all other issues in and on this thread. "If at first you don't succeed... So much for skydiving." - Henry Youngman.
213374U Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 I want people to take responsiblty for their actions. If your going to have sex without protection. You have to know the risks That pretty much sums it up. If you can't put your brains before your groin, you don't have an excuse for abortion. Yea yea i was brought up to be Lutheran. i just couldn't rationalize their beleifs. That is a common mistake. They are beliefs because they can't be rationalized. If they could, they would be philosophical postulates. What religious people claim is that Faith is a gift of their God (whatever that might be). Since I don't have that Faith, I can't really say what it's like, but I don't try to "rationalize" it. Thinking that you should be able to "rationalize" God with our little logic is, at the very least, arrogant. Shure living Capitalist state is hard, but if you work hard, compete, and gain strength from your weeknesses. You can have a better life. The big lie of capitalism. If you are born poor, chances are you will die poor. It doesn't have to be that way per se, but the odds are against you. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Rosbjerg Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 grr hope dies last! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> well that's the attitude! it's just my observations .. as I said in another post, your country was founded by pioneers, who made their own fortunes .. so that's kinda rooted in your culture.. Fortune favors the bald.
WITHTEETH Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 213374U, i was saying i coulnd't rationalize god, whats arrogant about that? Always outnumbered, never out gunned! Unreal Tournament 2004 Handle:Enlight_2.0 Myspace Website! My rig
Reveilled Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Acullay you are right. Were not a democracy. Were a Republic. So do you think Dictators like Saddam, Kim Jong Ill, Castro, and others acullay good for the world? You dont believe democracy can work. Then you are not for freedom. Democracy is a government that every person in the world right to have. Without democracy and the America pushing the ideals of democracy. This planet will be full of Kings and Dictators. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ARGH! I thought I was finished with this thread, I thought I had said my part, but then you had to go and say that. I'm sorry, but I can't resist this urge when it arises. de Hawk! Eggplant! AWAKEN!
Lucius Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 B5C you do know that there are still many countries with Kings and Queens, which are in fact democracies. DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
B5C Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 The big lie of capitalism. If you are born poor, chances are you will die poor. It doesn't have to be that way per se, but the odds are against you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do I have to post my family history for you? Ok My parents were married in 1982. My father joined the US Army because he couldnt find a good paying job. Then my mother took a job as a dental assistiant. That stayed like that for about 10 years. Then about 10 years ago, my mother quit her dental job and went back to school. In order to pay for that. My father took a 2nd job to help pay for my mother's schooling. Now since my father retired from the ARMY. My father got a job as Fleet Manager for Northwestern Landscaping Co. and my mother works for Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. Their getting pay about 25 bucks an hour. It took them 20 years from being at 10 k a year to 96k a year.
B5C Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 B5C you do know that there are still many countries with Kings and Queens, which are in fact democracies. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> True, for what I ment like with out America's democratic movement. The world Monarchies and Dictators will have full control of government like 200-300 years ago.
Rosbjerg Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 something that always worried me a little is the fact that if you join the army you are in a much better position to get a job afterwards .. that seems a little .. well .. militaristic to me! Fortune favors the bald.
213374U Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Do I have to post my family history for you? Ok My parents were married in 1982. My father joined the US Army because he couldnt find a good paying job. Then my mother took a job as a dental assistiant. That stayed like that for about 10 years. Then about 10 years ago, my mother quit her dental job and went back to school. In order to pay for that. My father took a 2nd job to help pay for my mother's schooling. Now since my father retired from the ARMY. My father got a job as Fleet Manager for Northwestern Landscaping Co. and my mother works for Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. Their getting pay about 25 bucks an hour. It took them 20 years from being at 10 k a year to 96k a year. Huh? I didn't deny that in the case of your family things had gone well. That doesn't prove that hard work is a guarantee of success. In fact, wealth distribution in the US disproves that. Or are you saying that everyone except the wealthy are lazy bastards? - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
B5C Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 something that always worried me a little is the fact that if you join the army you are in a much better position to get a job afterwards .. that seems a little .. well .. militaristic to me! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The reason he got the good job because he had 20 years experince of leadership, mechanics, and management skills. Working in the Army and going to work at a office is the same thing. You go to work, have 10 min breaks every 2-3 hours, lunch, and works end at 5 during peacetime.
WITHTEETH Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Brother in law is in Iraq strapped to a gun in a helicopter. what a great oppertunity! True story Always outnumbered, never out gunned! Unreal Tournament 2004 Handle:Enlight_2.0 Myspace Website! My rig
B5C Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Huh? I didn't deny that in the case of your family things had gone well. That doesn't prove that hard work is a guarantee of success. In fact, wealth distribution in the US disproves that. Or are you saying that everyone except the wealthy are lazy bastards? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not allways, but there is risk. It a capitalist society you MUST take risks. For people who are communist or Socialists are not risk takers. They want everything handed to them. Im sorry, but the government is not your nanny. BTW: WITHTEETH how old are you?
213374U Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 something that always worried me a little is the fact that if you join the army you are in a much better position to get a job afterwards .. that seems a little .. well .. militaristic to me! So what. Joining the army is as good a way as any to serve your country. Despite what some european countries (and asshat pacifists) think, armies are necessary. And since your hopes of making a fortune in the army are nonexistant, it's only fair you have some kind of compensation afterwards. Be it social advantages, better formation and experience, or whatever. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Rosbjerg Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 something that always worried me a little is the fact that if you join the army you are in a much better position to get a job afterwards .. that seems a little .. well .. militaristic to me! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The reason he got the good job because he had 20 years experince of leadership, mechanics, and management skills. Working in the Army and going to work at a office is the same thing. You go to work, have 10 min breaks every 2-3 hours, lunch, and works end at 5 during peacetime. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can see the logic in some cases .. But from what I hear (from family living in America) .. if you have been in the army you have a better chance to get any kind of job, since it's generally regarded as a good character trait to have served your nation .. and that seems militaristic to me! Fortune favors the bald.
B5C Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 I can see the logic in some cases .. But from what I hear (from family living in America) .. if you have been in the army you have a better chance to get any kind of job, since it's generally regarded as a good character trait to have served your nation .. and that seems militaristic to me! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not really militaristic. Its just a reward for helping your nation. A very small number of people join the military just for the money. 80% of those quit during basic tranning.
SteveThaiBinh Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 I can see the logic in some cases .. But from what I hear (from family living in America) .. if you have been in the army you have a better chance to get any kind of job, since it's generally regarded as a good character trait to have served your nation .. and that seems militaristic to me! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Poverty is a great way of keeping recruitment to the military up, if you're of a conspiracy-theory frame of mind. What disturbs me is the non-US recruits in the US army. They get sent into combat, and rewarded with posthumous US citizenship if they get killed. That just feels wrong to me. Armies are necessary, perhaps, although I believe Costa Rica doesn't have one and is surviving. The problem is that the US has such a huge army, it tempts presidents into using it all the time. It's amazing how Bush is forever telling us that America is a peace-loving country, yet it manages to find a reason to use its army every couple of years. Like fighting al-Qaeda in Iraq. Except that al-Qaeda wasn't in Iraq. "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov)
B5C Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Poverty is a great way of keeping recruitment to the military up, if you're of a conspiracy-theory frame of mind. What disturbs me is the non-US recruits in the US army. They get sent into combat, and rewarded with posthumous US citizenship if they get killed. That just feels wrong to me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whats the problem with that? Your getting your target market. Also joinin the military and risking your life for the United States of America. Proves that your a loyal citizen of the US and you are willing to risk your life. You should be garateed citizenship.
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