Your view on Politics

[6 Foot Invisible Rabbit]

I am just against illegal immigration, period, regardless of country of origin and country of destination. If you want to live in another country, do it legitly. Also if you are going to live in another country, not just visit, learn the local language and customs. Its the only polite thing to do.

 

If I was going to move to live and work in Japan, I would learn japanesse. If I was to live and work in Quebec I would learn French. And so forth and so on.

[Rosbjerg]

the funny thing is .. that Social Democracy wouldn't work in USA .. just as their system wouldn't work here! simply because you need the foundation for it!

 

USA was founded by people who made their own fortunes .. in a country that was constantly changing and evolving you don't have room to sit back and take care of everyone, their devolpment would've come to a standstill .. so that's why they have this particular believe today "the American dream"! (at least I imagine)

 

and the northern countries have developed a more socialistic approach, because we are all old farmer and worker countries .. and when democracy came, so did the unions etc .. and the whole "I'll scratch your back and you'll scratch mine" was already deeply rooted in our mentality! but so was the Jante-law ..

 

each system works in it's country because they have both the moral and cultural background to support it..

[6 Foot Invisible Rabbit]

Well, the Bill of Rights doesn't say we have the right to healthcare but basic human decency should allow free healthcare to those who are in need of it. I shouldn't be denied treatment for cancer or a broken arm just because I can't pay for it or don't have insurance.

 

Tell me, B5C, that you would have no problems to tell the parents of a five year old that their son or daughter is going to die of cancer or some malignant tumor just because they can't afford the treatment?

 

It is no wonder that the lower class are making their children wards of the state, at least in Iowa, so their kids can get decent healthcare.

[Meshugger]

That's why i'm having a hard time to understand american republicans, since i feel that free healthcare and education is a right, not a luxory. I when i pay high taxes, i never feel like i'm being "robbed" by someone who didn't deserve their education or healthcare. To me, it's more like a "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" social contract to your society, which leaves less people behind and giving as many people as possible to have a fair start in life.

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BTW where does it say in the Bill of Rights that it required the fedral government to provide healthcare.

 

Also I believe taxation is robbery. Look in Washington State, the Democrats control the Governer (Hopefully shortly), House and Senate. We are in high in debt. The democrats believe that higher taxes will fix the economy. So their planning a 15 cents tax hike on gas, raising sin taxes, and also raise property taxes. It was high taxes that runied this economy, by moving jobs somewhere else. God If Washington state had a smaller government and low taxes. Boeign will still be here in Seattle and not in Chicago.

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I think that i read somewhere that most common perception of freedom in europe is social equality guaranteed by the elected goverment, while in the US it's guaranteed by the individual own search for personal freedom. While the european version can lead to a corrupt goverment with the political elite at top, the american version takes that vacuum created by a lack of elected goverment into the big corporations, where another elite dictate the society instead.

 

While there isn't a non-corrupted goverment, there will never be true "free market" either.

[B5C]

Well, the Bill of Rights doesn't say we have the right to healthcare but basic human decency should allow free healthcare to those who are in need of it.  I shouldn't be denied treatment for cancer or a broken arm just because I can't pay for it or don't have insurance. 

 

Tell me, B5C, that you would have no problems to tell the parents of a five year old that their son or daughter is going to die of cancer or some malignant tumor just because they can't afford the treatment?

 

It is no wonder that the lower class are making their children wards of the state, at least in Iowa, so their kids can get decent healthcare.

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Of course you wont be denied. The ER is requried to help people if they can pay or not.

 

For the cancer treatment. Its called I work my ass off and get some help from friend and family and work with my insurance company.

[Rosbjerg]

I would gladly give my money (and do) to save another humanbeings life!

and while I'm trying to respect the opinions of others .. I always think it's terribly inhuman to want lower taxes just to save some money rather than save anothers life..

[6 Foot Invisible Rabbit]

You haven't been in Iowa, have you. I have friends who were denied the ER because they couldn't pay or have insurance. Friends and family only helps if they have money and in a better financial shape than yourself, and in my case they aren't. Also you still have to pay for insurance which I can't afford. Even full time, $7 doesn't pay all my base bills.

 

If you tell me to get a better job, THERE ISN'T ONE IN AMES, IOWA. Also, I can't afford to move. Plain and simple, B5C, the capitialistic society that is the US doesn't give a shat about the lower class. That is the same hospitals and doctors for they are just a bunch of money grabbing SOBs that rather use a scalpel to cut open your wallet than save your life.

[B5C]

You haven't been in Iowa, have you.  I have friends who were denied the ER because they couldn't pay or have insurance.  Friends and family only helps if they have money and in a better financial shape than yourself, and in my case they aren't.  Also you still have to pay for insurance which I can't afford.  Even full time, $7 doesn't pay all my base bills.

 

If you tell me to get a better job, THERE ISN'T ONE IN AMES, IOWA.  Also, I can't afford to move.  Plain and simple, B5C, the capitialistic society that is the US doesn't give a shat about the lower class.  That is the same hospitals and doctors for they are just a bunch of money grabbing SOBs that rather use a scalpel to cut open your wallet than save your life.

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Hey I belong to that lower class Americans. I survive this world by only making 4 k a year and going to college and sharing a apartment. What? How bad was their illness? I know there are some things that ER can deny, but like in really bad cases the ER cant deny treatment.

[6 Foot Invisible Rabbit]

Iowa law states otherwise I guess. He had a really banged up due to a fall and the ER peeps wouldn't treat him. He know has a permanent limp.

[213374U]

I would gladly give my money (and do) to save another humanbeings life!

and while I'm trying to respect the opinions of others .. I always think it's terribly inhuman to want lower taxes just to save some money rather than save anothers life..

You are obviously not cut out for politics, my friend.

[6 Foot Invisible Rabbit]

At least not politics in the US which does need a major overhaul.

[Darth_Radnor]

BTW where does it say in the Bill of Rights that it required the fedral government to provide healthcare.

 

Also I believe taxation is robbery. Look in Washington State, the Democrats control the Governer (Hopefully shortly), House and Senate. We are in high in debt. The democrats believe that higher taxes will fix the economy. So their planning a 15 cents tax hike on gas, raising sin taxes, and also raise property taxes.  It was high taxes that runied this economy, by moving jobs somewhere else. God If Washington state had a smaller government and low taxes. Boeign will still be here in Seattle and not in Chicago.

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It's lack of taxes that's ruining our economy. By cutting taxes, Bush has let the deficit run like crazy, and coupled with the strain of social security (with all the baby boomers retiring) i'm not sure whether our trillion strong economy can cut it. I wouldn't be surprised if our economy crashes within the next decade.

[B5C]

BTW where does it say in the Bill of Rights that it required the fedral government to provide healthcare.

 

Also I believe taxation is robbery. Look in Washington State, the Democrats control the Governer (Hopefully shortly), House and Senate. We are in high in debt. The democrats believe that higher taxes will fix the economy. So their planning a 15 cents tax hike on gas, raising sin taxes, and also raise property taxes.  It was high taxes that runied this economy, by moving jobs somewhere else. God If Washington state had a smaller government and low taxes. Boeign will still be here in Seattle and not in Chicago.

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It's lack of taxes that's ruining our economy. By cutting taxes, Bush has let the deficit run like crazy, and coupled with the strain of social security (with all the baby boomers retiring) i'm not sure whether our trillion strong economy can cut it. I wouldn't be surprised if our economy crashes within the next decade.

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WTF? You liked being taxed to death. Everyone knows that low taxes bring good economy. Remeber that 90's great economy was started by Reagan's tax cutting.

[213374U]

That's simplifying a tad too much.

[draakh_kimera]

WTF?  You liked being taxed to death. Everyone knows that low taxes bring good economy. Remeber that 90's great economy was started by Reagan's tax cutting.

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Actually, IIRC, Bush lowered the taxes during a time of war. That will ALWAYS have a negative effect on a country's economy. Also, low taxes do not neccesarily bring good economy. Here is an example of a Laffer curve, which demonstrates the efficiency of taxes:

 

 

The problem is finding the optimal tax level, which varies from country to country and with the current economic situation.

 

As for the social democracy of the scandinavian countries, I think it's a "nice" ideal, but in some cases I think certain things, like child support (I'm not sure how to say it) is a bit too high. Over 100 USD a month per child in the family? Also, I've heard people with a really lousy job sometimes actually profit by becoming unemployed. Then there's the issue of sick pay. I can't remember the exact figures but it's pretty high here, and the fact that many people cheat with it isn't that great either. There's more to complain about, but then again, you gotta take the good with the bad.

[Rosbjerg]

We should also mention the rather high taxes on goods .. A new car here costs from 50.000 - several millions, depending on brand and quality .. where much of the price goes to the goverment..

 

and there's an added 25% purchache tax on everything you buy - called Moms (meaning "added value tax")

 

so cigaretes cost 31 kr .. and liqour around 100 kr ..

 

all prices mentioned in KR (where 5,7 kr is 1 dollar)

 

and it's much more in Sweden and Norway .. at least for liqour and smokes!

[Reveilled]

I would gladly give my money (and do) to save another humanbeings life!

and while I'm trying to respect the opinions of others .. I always think it's terribly inhuman to want lower taxes just to save some money rather than save anothers life..

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If you would gladly give your money to save another human being's life (and I'm sure most danes feel the same way you do), then why do you need to tax people for it? If you would give your money up on a voluntary basis, does it need to be taken from you by force? With a social ethic that encourages comradeship and helping others out, couldn't you encourage those values yourselves, without the government stepping in?

[Lucius]

"comradeship"

 

We're not communists here, you know.

[Reveilled]

"comradeship"

 

We're not communists here, you know.

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I never said you were. I meant it simply as sticking together and helping each other out, not as some indication of revolutionary spirit in the Danish people.

[Rosbjerg]

I'm sure we chose this particular way of doing things because it's easier .. we don't have to worry about paying too little or too much .. again it's about danish mentality! we are luxusbeings who don't like to worry too much! and if such things are handled for us, and the onyl thing we have to do is pay taxes .. well then that's preferable!

[mkreku]

Actually, in Sweden we don't even "pay" taxes. The taxes are automatically taken from our salaries before we even get to see the money, so it's not like getting (for example) 30000 SEK every month and then having to give away 10000 SEK to someone. Instead you just get 20000 SEK and go out and party as usual

[Rosbjerg]

Actually, in Sweden we don't even "pay" taxes. The taxes are automatically taken from our salaries before we even get to see the money, so it's not like getting  (for example) 30000 SEK every month and then having to give away 10000 SEK to someone. Instead you just get 20000 SEK and go out and party as usual

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yes .. same here of course .. but in a way that's still paying taxes!

[Jellybelly]

To call paying taxes "robbery" is extremely short sighted.

 

I am disgusted.

[Reveilled]

To call paying taxes "robbery" is extremely short sighted.

 

I am disgusted.

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Well, is it really so different? If your property is being taken from you without permission accompanied by a threat, does it make a difference whether the entity which is taking it is some guy on the street or people in government?

[SteveThaiBinh]

Well, is it really so different?  If your property is being taken from you without permission accompanied by a threat, does it make a difference whether the entity which is taking it is some guy on the street or people in government?

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It's not without permission. It's by a legitimate and democratically elected government. If you don't agree, you can vote for a party which wants to cut taxes, or stand for election yourself.

 

It's called the social contract. The government provides services that people want, and people pay for it with taxes. European countries have higher taxes than the US because we have a different contract with out states, and expect more services.