So what happened ?

[Aegis]

You're not actually using the force, you're rather channeling other peoples' force through you. If you had no one else around, you wouldn't be able to do squat. Think of it as a leech, a more benign version of Nihilus' power.

 

But as for the rest of the story, I can't really work it out either. I can work out parts of it, but then I get other questions instead. Fix those, and the original problem(s) arise again.

[kaylord]

That channeling idea seems also very artificial to me. After all, you are also relying on the force in solo missions. And there is absolutely no declining effect on those around you, as it should be if you were such a force vacuum.

 

The council jedis want to separate you "from the force" , for continuitys sake maybe isolate you from the channeling effect, but still there was no indication of their fears that you would finally "sniff out" the force by merely existing. No proof or even hint of that in the whole game story.

I found these explanations simply ridiculous. Killed the story for me.

[Aegis]

Yes, well, like I said, it doesn't really add up in the end. Explain one thing and you have to explain another. There's more examples, such as the personal crystal. As you have no force, how can the crystal absorb the force that leaks out of you? That theory could explain why others are not affected by your leeching, though.

 

But I agree that the council separating you from the force is rather odd, considering you're supposedly completely severed from it already. It's like they are taking away something that isn't there. Nor do I understand why they think the exile is so dangerous, as the end would then either mean that this whole issue means nothing (i.e. that the exile can be severed from the force all he wants, nothing can happen anyway), or that it is dangerous and he is still dangerous because he remains alive.

[Zilod]

I think the exile is using the overflow of force.

 

if we stay with Ben explanation of the force in ANH the force is a sort of energy present everywhere and in everything.

 

Ingame there is also the explanation of force crystals that point to somtehing like that, so is not that he drains the force from other (as Nihilus) but as said he is still able to feel and use (manipulate?) the force around him.

[The Great Phantom]

I've just finished the game as DS, and I'm confused. I had a conversation with Kreya, than trown her down into the planet's core. Than, there was a short movie that showed space and some nebula. Than the credits.

 

What does this all mean? 

 

Did I avert this very vague "death of the force" disaster, that everyone spoke about? If so, how did I do it?

You are the death of the force, when you severed your link on Malakor you become an hole to the force, the force can no more "dominate" you and you are free to express yourself.

 

for a jedi a life whitout the force seem not possible and a man whitout it is gimped in their vision, you are the proof that they where wrong, you become greater than they can ever guess and able to shape your destiny (as no more controlled by the force).

 

Now you represent also an example that a life whitout the force is not just possible, but also better and more complete than a life with it.

 

this is also Kreia's goal.... to "forge" a true Man.

 

Why didn't I have a choice whether to avert it or not?

reason above... is because is you eheh

 

What happened to G0-T0 and the remote, and this "shadow generator" thing ? 

this part is missing and was cut from the game

if you search a bit in this forum you can find posts (generally with cut end in the title) that explain what really happened (or was supposed to happen)

 

 

What happened to my party members? Did they all die with the Ebon Hawk?

They are alive, the only one that is supposed to die on Malachor (ingame) is Bao-Dur ehm and maybe a droid or 2

 

Whats with the bond with Kreya, why didn't I die when she died?

There some speculations and debate about that.

Many people think that the bound was not lethal and Kreia fooled you, i'm more inclined to think that the bound was lethal but was cut on Malachor. (probably in the final battle)

 

Did Atton die too, I think someone mentioned that he died, but I didn't see him die.

As said above there where many ending to the store and in one of them Atton died, this content is not ingame and was removed or not implemented.

 

 

Please someone answer my questions, because I'm really dissapointed about the game, right now. 

Is quite a difficult game, but IMO a fantastic one, is not strange to be a bit confused after the first time.... maybe try to play again as a LS and to try to learn as much as you can from all the npcs you meet in your journey.

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The Exile is still in the Force, but he can step out at any moment...

 

Don't make me get my Helicopter analogy out!

[The Great Phantom]

I think the exile is using the overflow of force.

 

if we stay with Ben explanation of the force in ANH the force is a sort of energy present everywhere and in everything.

 

Ingame there is also the explanation of force crystals that point to somtehing like that, so is not that he drains the force from other (as Nihilus) but as said he is still able to feel and use (manipulate?) the force around him.

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He forms bonds, and bonds transend any distance, so he could still be manipulating the Force through others, plus the Planets that he/she has gone to.

[Aegis]

The exile regained his "connection" to the force only after he started traveling with other people. This is explicitly stated. Assuming he had other (albeit inanimate) things around him during his exile, the theory about him getting force from anything but people around him kind of falls flat.

[The Great Phantom]

for what i see jedis had 2 choices

 

to be corrupted to darkside (the thing that Revan was looking for), or to die, as simply was not possible be near Malachor and be able to resist the corruption of the planet, and of the academy, that was feeded with the deaths of mandalorians and jedis.

 

the Exile "found" the third way cutting himself from the force but this had generated the hole in the force

 

there are a sort simplified visions but can give an idea of what i think had happened.

 

there should be some 3D around in this forum that speak more deeply about it

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One thing, really quick.

 

The Exile was forced into 'finding'... He bonded with most/all of the men working under him, and he felt all of their deaths 'through' these bonds, instead of through the Force. Instead of dying, his body cut himself off from whatever it was that was hurting him so badly, aka The Force. But, it wasn't a wall like what the Jedi use to strip others of the Force, he 'jumped' clear of it... Once again, don't make me get my helicopter analogy! :ph34r:

[Zilod]

@The Great Phantom

i agree with most of the things you say and i don't see them in contraddiction to what i sayd above.

 

Just a thing, i agree that he was probably bounded and that by his links probably he felt a "greater pain".

but ingame is also stated that no jedi where able to survive to that scream in the force or to resist to the corruption energy.

 

Probably most of the dead jedis where unable to make bounds as the exile, but they died.... and likelly because they where unable to sustain that corruption or to embrace it.

[The Great Phantom]

He didn't fall, because the Call didn't effect somebody clear of its grip. Later, when he feels the Force flowing through those around him, he can succumb to tempation again.

 

The trauma would have taken most of his Exile to wear off, wouldn't it? Perhaps what we see is a dulled down version than what he started as...

 

Edit: And I wasn't disagreeing with you, just clarifying...

[kalimeeri]

Is it definate that Bao died at Malachor?  Because I didn't get that impression.

Considering the drone holos i think is quite likelly, also he doesn't show anymore in the char selection window and you get no info from Kreia about him.

 

(also so far i have not yet finished a game where he become a jedi, so maybe i'm wrong and Kreia speak about him only if you "convert" him)

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Nope, she doesn't speak about Baodur even if you trained him. But then again, she couldn't 'hear' him on the Ebon Hawk even though you could, so maybe she just can't get a 'reading' of him?

 

It would seem that Baodur was intended to perish at Malachor.

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I do hope he didn't die. He has much potential, both in Atris's thought that he could save Telos, and in the future of Exile. He wasn't even there in person at Malachor, or was it he who fixed the ship?

 

The fact that Kreia can't read him brings up some interesting thoughts, though. Obviously, what happened to Exile at Malachor also happened to Bao-Dur. During the journey, he faces his demons too. That permits him to use the Shadow Generator again, and perhaps to employ similar technology in reverse.

 

If he was undetectable, even as an echo, he would survive the Sith threat, and could conceivably appear in K3 as a companion. Due to his unswerving loyalty, he would want to accompany Exile, above all else; yet he probably could be convinced to assist in rebuilding the Republic, or at least rehabilitating the planets that were destroyed.

 

I'm thinking the dev's left his fate open on purpose.

[jsaving]

The force being a destiny-shaping thing which can be abandoned? Meh... not very believable.  Even if you would follow that line, Kreia is a contradiction in herself: She was not able to abandon the force, yet she thinks she can educate someone to be such a force-independence while all the time her teachings are governed by the force, since she is not force-independend.

Kreia herself expresses those reservations in one of her dialogues with the Exile. She thinks she has been successful in using the Force without succumbing to its influence (which if true would mean could make the call herself without needing the Exile). But she confides that she can't be sure. That's why the Exile is so important to her -- he's the only person in human history who doesn't feel the influence of the Force in any direction.

 

Besides, nothing says a person can't resist the Force on occasion. The Force surely didn't wish Kreia to kill its loyal disciples amongst the Jedi and the Sith, but she did it anyway. And the Force surely didn't endorse the "trust yourself rather than the Force" message that she repeatedly drilled into the Exile, but she said it anyway. The problem wasn't that Kreia was an automaton "governed" by the Force, but rather that she had no objective way to determine whether she had successfully resisted its influence. That's why she told the Exile to trust his own judgment even if he finds he cannot rely on hers, which would be a rather remarkable thing to say if she truly were "governed" by the force.

[Aegis]

Yes, it brings up an interesting point I considered a while ago. If she can, under the influence of the force, decide to sever herself from the force (one way or another), wouldn't that be the will of the force? Same goes for the exile, obviously. And if that is the will of the force, how are you not influenced by it even if you are severed from it?

[Zilod]

also in the final dialogue she states that she doesn't like to be manipulated so i think she "suffered" from that manipulation (at least in her past)

 

is also itneresting to see that with the new "light" that TSL cast on KOTOR and the force seem to be quite clear that the force is moving its pawns to achieve that balance (new beginning?) that Kreia seem to point in the final dialogue.

 

The jedi order is destroyed, the sith are almost extinct too, even what Revan was "stopped" to permit to all these things to happen, and the various wars seem to point to this end too.

 

as said in another post it is quite similar to what is happening in the first trilogy, when regardless of the choices of individuals all seem to point to an inevitable destiny.