KOTOR2 Early Review ak Bashings, Smashings, & More

[Meshugger]

That was Hades, and I agree with him 100% as well. Don't get me started on animals who have 'swallowed' light sabre crystals or worst yet swords... <>

 

P.S. Handmaiden is ALL mine!!!

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Visas was more interesting IMO.

[Whitemithrandir]

"Yeah, well done Volly. Your analysis is absolutely correct...albeit one minor detail - the Sith still think you're a Jedi (well acording to Kreia anyway). Wait, why the hell does Sion then call you 'Exile"? This makes no logical sense at all."

 

I do believe sion met up with Kreia already at that point. Let's not forget

she set up this whole chase after you thing in the first place.

 

 

 

There are far worse plot holes/things they don't explain/crap that makes no sense in this game, Volo. Sadly, this isn't one of them.

[Reveilled]

that would have made much, much more sense.

 

random items, but within a specific category, such as all lighsaber stuff randomly generated among the different dark jedi/sith enemies, and/or bins/lockers in force specific areas (korriban academy, jedi enclave, etc.).

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The random loot generator actually created a plot hole in my game. As far back as Peragus I recieved a breath mask as part of what I assume was random loot. Well, breath masks give you immunity to poison, and so

when I get to that poison gas bar in Nar Shadaa (however it's spelled), I have to wonder why the stupid squid didn't just tell me to bring along a breath mask so he could see it was me, as opposed to Mira, and worse than that, when I went into the bar (having been in it before) I've already put my mask on, at which point I start suffocating before learning "breath control"! Stupid forced events, I shouldn't be suffocating this time when I survived fine in the bar before.

 

[Volourn]

"You're the last KNOWN jedi Volo. The other jedi are in hiding. You're the only dude roaming around in the open. I don't see why you're confused about that."

 

Only one problem with your theory Whitey. I'm NOT a Jedi. Period. And, you are wrong, the other so called Jedi are roaming in the open more or less. Face it, this plot point is lame because you cna't be the last jedi. Why?

 

A) I'm NOT a Jedi.

 

B) I wasn't in the open to begin with.

 

C) Other Jedi exist.

 

D) Other Jedi are as much in the open as the PC.

 

 

Lame.

[NeverwinterKnight]

"You're the last KNOWN jedi Volo. The other jedi are in hiding. You're the only dude roaming around in the open. I don't see why you're confused about that."

 

Only one problem with your theory Whitey. I'm NOT a Jedi. Period. And, you are wrong, the other so called Jedi are roaming in the open more or less.  Face it, this plot point is lame because you cna't be the last jedi. Why?

 

A) I'm NOT a Jedi.

 

B) I wasn't in the open to begin with.

 

C) Other Jedi exist.

 

D) Other Jedi are as much in the open as the PC.

 

 

Lame.

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i dont think you understand what people say by you (the pc) being in the "open" and the other jedi being in "hiding". just curious (im not trying to be condescending), but do you know much about the whole concept of how a jedi has the ability to "hide" their presense in the force and such? or how they choose planets that are teeming with life or various other "factors" to help hide their presense in the force? because thats exactly whats happening here.

 

youve lost your touch with the force, hence YOU cant hide or mask your force presense and thus can be felt by those who still control the force. the other jedi CAN control their force presense and thus mask it and make it much more difficult to sense them in the force.

 

as for a)"i am not a jedi", kreia explained EXACTLY that in a line of dialogue. it went something like this:

 

pc: but why are they after me? i am no longer a jedi.

 

kreia: regardless of whether you left the order, the sith believe you to be a jedi that can hurt them, and that is all that matters.

 

in other words, just because YOU say youre no longer a jedi doesnt mean that the ones chasing you think "oh well, he says hes not a jedi, even though he was powerful in the force and was a major contributer to the mandalorian wars. but if he says hes no longer a jedi, i believe him and will now stop hunting him."

 

the ones hunting you believe you to be a jedi (ie. ability to destroy them) and thus whatever YOU (volourn) want to believe about your character is irrelevant.

[DarthShad]

Volo, you are entitled to your opinion, but if it isn't sustantiated with all the facts, then you don't have the whole picture. Finish the game first, THEN post your review on the plot.

 

Besides that, yes there are bugs, and a few inconsistencies, but that doesn't make it a bad game.

[Volourn]

"dont think you understand what people say by you (the pc) being in the "open" and the other jedi being in "hiding". just curious (im not trying to be condescending), but do you know much about the whole concept of how a jedi has the ability to "hide" their presense in the force and such? or how they choose planets that are teeming with life or various other "factors" to help hide their presense in the force? because thats exactly whats happening here."

 

Been there; done that. It was, and is stupid.

 

 

"youve lost your touch with the force, hence YOU cant hide or mask your force presense and thus can be felt by those who still control the force. the other jedi CAN control their force presense and thus mask it and make it much more difficult to sense them in the force."

 

If you lost your connection to your force; how the heck can they sense you through the force? LAME.

 

Defend the Last Jedi nonsense all you want; it doesn't make it good.

 

 

"Volo, you are entitled to your opinion, but if it isn't sustantiated with all the facts, then you don't have the whole picture. Finish the game first, THEN post your review on the plot."

 

A. Don't tell me what to do, troll. (P.S. And, yes, I know there's some irony me telling you not to tell me what to do; but meh). :ph34r:

 

B. I played enough of the game to know a balony retarded plot device when I see it.

 

 

"Besides that, yes there are bugs, and a few inconsistencies, but that doesn't make it a bad game."

 

Who said it was "bad"? I sure didn't. Obviously, consideirng the fact I'm still playing it; that must mean I like it INSPITE of its faults.

 

The Last jedi thing is crap UNLESS you are gullible enough to believe that the Sith are retarded morons.

[DarthShad]

"Besides that, yes there are bugs, and a few inconsistencies, but that doesn't make it a bad game."

 

Who said it was "bad"? I sure didn't. Obviously, consideirng the fact I'm still playing it; that must mean I like it INSPITE of its faults.

 

The Last jedi thing is crap UNLESS you are gullible enough to believe that the Sith are retarded morons.

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Well, you have a funny way of liking a game. Almost every thing you said was negative. To each his/her own, I guess...

[NeverwinterKnight]

Defend the Last Jedi nonsense all you want; it doesn't make it good.

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and you saying it is lame doesnt make it bad.

 

the fact is youre too stubborn to even consider my explanation and instead would rather call my theory or reasons lame or consider me gullible.

 

try breaking down my explanation and think about them. the story makes sense if you actually open your mind and not be so stubborn that you=right and anyone who disagrees=wrong or gullible or fanboi.

[Volourn]

"Well, you have a funny way of liking a game. Almost every thing you said was negative."

 

Really? Perhaps you should read everything; not just pick and choose. I only seem overly negative because..

 

a) The game was awful when iw rote the review at the start of the thread. It's improved since.

 

b) I'm not forced to repeat myself about the positve aspects of the game. Just look at the replies in this thread. They almost all target my negative comments so what you are seeing is me repeating the same negative opinion on the same negative issue.

 

Bring up somehting about the game that I like; and I'll be positive.

 

 

"and you saying it is lame doesnt make it bad.

 

the fact is youre too stubborn to even consider my explanation and instead would rather call my theory or reasons lame or consider me gullible.

 

try breaking down my explanation and think about them. the story makes sense if you actually open your mind and not be so stubborn that you=right and anyone who disagrees=wrong or gullible or fanboi."

 

Works both ways. Afterall, I've been called a moron, a BIo fanboy, et.c because I disagree with this apsect. Or been told that the story is simply 'too deep' for my puny peon mind can't understand.

 

 

Bottom line is I'm NOT the Last Jedi. And, no matter how often sometimes me I am won't change the fact.

[NeverwinterKnight]

Works both ways. Afterall, I've been called a moron, a BIo fanboy, et.c because I disagree with this apsect. Or been told that the story is simply 'too deep' for my puny peon mind can't understand.

in this discussion, and in any other discussion ive have never resorted to calling you a fanboi as a cop out for not having a comeback. thus, whether other people have called you that is irrelevant to anything you respond to of mine.

 

Bottom line is I'm NOT the Last Jedi. And, no matter how often sometimes me I am won't change the fact.

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and? your character believes the same thing you do. hence why theyre always telling kreia and whoever comments on it "but im no longer a jedi".

 

your character is just as stubborn as you are, because kreia fully explained why the sith hunting you and people you encounter BELIEVE you to be (even if youre not) the last jedi.

 

just look at the star wars movies (the OT). vader and the emperor believe the jedi to be completely wiped out, yet obi-wan is living as a hermit and yodas enjoying his stay in the new jersey swamps. so does that make the emperor and vader "retarded" for believing they had eradicated all the jedi, despite the fact that two of the most powerful jedi still live? does the fact they can sense luke skywalker and are chasing skywalker, yet have no clue yoda is still around make the story "lame" because they believe skywalker is the last of the jedi?

[DarthShad]

"Well, you have a funny way of liking a game. Almost every thing you said was negative."

 

Really? Perhaps you should read everything; not just pick and choose. I only seem overly negative because..

 

a) The game was awful when iw rote the review at the start of the thread. It's improved since.

 

b) I'm not forced to repeat myself about the positve aspects of the game. Just look at the replies in this thread. They almost all target my negative comments so what you are seeing is me repeating the same negative opinion on the same negative issue.

 

Bring up somehting about the game that I like; and I'll be positive.

 

 

Okay. Here are a few:

 

- Characters. They have more and better personality than the first KoTOR.

- Story. Well written and thought out. The plot "unfolds" while you progress in the game, and imo, that's a great way to keep to keep the player interested.

- Ability to break down components. Great addition.

- Prestige classes. Another welcome addition.

- Influence system. Yes I have to agree that it could've been a little better, but it is good enough.

 

There you go. Of course, that is my opinion, and I'm sure some people will disagree, but you asked for some examples.

[Whitemithrandir]

Okay Volo: read the near-end-game-spoiler if you REALLY TOTALLY aren't convinced why the hell this isn't a plot inconsistency:

Kreia arranged it all. She told the Siths where you would be, where are you are going, where you are heading. She led them to believe YOU are the last Jedi (and at the end of the game, you are) and you are a threat. It's all a ploy by Kreia to slam you in a crucible so you can grow stronger.

 

 

Your character brings up this point MULTIPLE times in the game. I guess you just hack n' slash too much to notice it

 

Now go finish the game.

[Volourn]

"just look at the star wars movies (the OT). vader and the emperor believe the jedi to be completely wiped out, yet obi-wan is living as a hermit and yodas enjoying his stay in the new jersey swamps. so does that make the emperor and vader "retarded" for believing they had eradicated all the jedi, despite the fact that two of the most powerful jedi still live? does the fact they can sense luke skywalker and are chasing skywalker, yet have no clue yoda is still around make the story "lame" because they believe skywalker is the last of the jedi?"

 

The Exile is not Luke. How can you even comapre the two. The Exile is a Veteran ex Jedi. He's not some mamby pamby living on some crappy planet who doesn't even realzie he has a connection tot he force.

 

Unlike Obi Wan, and Yodda; the Jedi in TSL are not really hiding. Don't be so eaisly tricked.

 

 

DarthShard: Some of things I like are the story (just not certain parts) though I don't think its' better than KOTOR1, I love the use of skills, influence is ok; but I dislike the fact its the NPC influencing the PC and not the other way around; the new ainterface is good; the new feats/powers are nice; and some more stuff.

 

See, not a negative.

 

 

"Okay Volo: read the near-end-game-spoiler if you REALLY TOTALLY aren't convinced why the hell this isn't a plot inconsistency:"

 

A. That's not a spoiler. That's friggin' obvious.

 

B. It's still nonsense and it proves beyond a shadow doubt that the story is weak in this regard and/or the Sith in this game are moronic.

 

C. Hack n slash? That's the best you can do. The game is hack n slash. Afterall, there's very few battles you can avoid (like the original; but at least battles there were a little more challenging).

 

What I noticed is that the 'Last Jedi' thing is plainly. And, it hurts my perception of an otheriwse solid story.

[Whitemithrandir]

ah.......... I give up.

 

You win Volo, the last jedi thing is silly. Now go finish the stupid game.

[Volourn]

"You win Volo, the last jedi thing is silly. Now go finish the stupid game."

 

Don't placate me, please. That's worse than calling me a fanboy or stupid. <.

 

Let's just agree to disagree.

[NeverwinterKnight]

Unlike Obi Wan, and Yodda; the Jedi in TSL are not really hiding. Don't be so eaisly tricked.

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uh? you havent played the game much have you? or spoken to the jedi masters that you meet.

 

because they CLEARLY tell you they are, in fact, hiding much the same way obi-wan and yoda are.

 

id be curious to know how far along you are in the game, because from the sounds of your answers, you havent even talked to or met half the people who you will meet that will answer these comments of yours.

[Volourn]

"? you havent played the game much have you? or spoken to the jedi masters that you meet.

 

because they CLEARLY tell you they are, in fact, hiding much the same way obi-wan and yoda are.

 

id be curious to know how far along you are in the game, because from the sounds of your answers, you havent even talked to or met half the people who you will meet that will answer these comments of yours."

 

Wow. You completely missed everything. Please read what I what I wrote again.

[NeverwinterKnight]

Wow. You completely missed everything. Please read what I what I wrote again.

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what exactly did i miss? i responded to your "unlike obi-wan and yoda, the jedi in tsl are not really hiding" comment.

 

they ARE hiding. you said they arent in hiding. what exactly did i miss?

[Volourn]

"what exactly did i miss?"

 

A lot apparantly.

[NeverwinterKnight]

"what exactly did i miss?"

 

A lot apparantly.

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ran out of arguments huh?

 

i didnt miss a thing, you just have nothing to retort with so youre doing your usual routine.

 

face it, you have no comeback and no actual "proof" for your arguments.

[Volourn]

I am not the last Jedi.

 

That's all that matters.

 

Game over.

[NeverwinterKnight]

I am not the last Jedi.

 

That's all that matters.

 

Game over.

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to the sith who are chasing you, yes you are.

 

and at the end of the game, yes you are.

 

that is all that matters.

[Brannart]

I am not the last Jedi.

 

That's all that matters.

 

Game over.

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The game tells you exactly why the Sith think you are the last Jedi:

Atris, who is one of the few who knows about your existance, spreads the rumor throughout the Republic and arranges for you to return from exile-that sends the Republic and the Sith looking for you. Why she does this I dont exactly remember. That is why Kreia and Sion find you in Peragus.

 

 

It took me awhile to piece it together. Anyway its Star Wars continuity is hard to come by

[Volourn]

Those aren't spoilers. I knew that already. I simply don't buy it. I don't believe the Sith would be that gullible to fall for some lame trap. But, whatever, you people can.

 

 

"and at the end of the game, yes you are."

 

Even if you are a Sith? LAME. Yet you defend that aspect. LAME.