213374U Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 False, we're spending "our" resources on other nations. Blah... blah... blah... blah... I'll make it simple for you. If you have 100 dollars in your pocket, and you give 60 of it to the poor people down the street, not only are you carrying them along but you're making yourself poor too. Until you've taken care of all the problems at home, and have created an "abbundence of wealth" it's not very smart... and even dangerous... to just throw your resources away. Heh. Do you really think macroeconomics work as simply as 'the money you have in your pocket'? If you need to make such simplified examples, perhaps it's you who doesn't get it. The foreign policy is necessary to support the current economic model of the US. If you remove the military element from the equation, the foreign policy as it is now, no longer works. Right now, there are two things that prevent wars from being started in a lot of places. One is the fear of a nuclear retaliation (think India-Pakistan), and the other is fear of a US/NATO intervention. If the second element no longer exists, a lot of the commercial interests and resources that the US has access to right now, would no longer be available, causing the economy to collapse. Think Saddam's little adventure on Kuwait, only on a larger scale. The choice is, controlled, selected wars or all-out war? Odd... I could have swore we had a pretty weak foreign policy until about WW1.. Isolationism and all that. I suggest you take another look at your US History before swearing. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 The choice is, controlled, selected wars or all-out war? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Then let an all out war happen, better that then the slow corruption we're facing. Survival of the fittest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 There goes the neighborhood. :ph34r: - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 blah blah blah part 2a <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1) In your example it's an example of how the government "failed" by not enforcing the laws. Again it rests on the government. 2) I am aware of that. Personally I believe most adults should be steralized. 3) A country with a weak populace is weak, that lack of edjucation makes it weak. Trying to place everything on the "parents" is a copout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakoth Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Then let an all out war happen, better that then the slow corruption we're facing. Survival of the fittest. So what are your plans for when the nukes start to fly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Then let an all out war happen, better that then the slow corruption we're facing. Survival of the fittest. So what are your plans for when the nukes start to fly? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'll either survive, or I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Then let an all out war happen, better that then the slow corruption we're facing. Survival of the fittest. So what are your plans for when the nukes start to fly? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'll either survive, or I won't. No problem. :cool: - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakoth Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 1) In your example it's an example of how the government "failed" by not enforcing the laws. Again it rests on the government. 2) I am aware of that. Personally I believe most adults should be steralized. 3) A country with a weak populace is weak, that lack of edjucation makes it weak. Trying to place everything on the "parents" is a copout. The more you post the more foolish I begin to think you are. 1) The government can not be every where even if our income tax rate was at 100% if you believe they can be you are quite foolish. 2) If that is your opinion you are entitled to it. My opinion is that you are an idiot. 3)No the problem lies with the general populace not just the parents. Why learn if I can throw a ball over a 100mph and my parents (notice the government never does this) push me to spend all my time practicing baseball instead of learning. Why learn when I can just skip school and hang out with friends (truancy has been against the law for as long as I can remember). Why learn when my parents don't care how I am doing in school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Awww now the flaming begins I guess that means I win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Can anyone tell me any substantial time in the US' history where they weren't at war in some way with someone? I'll wait for that answer.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When Calvin Coolidge was president. "Keep cool with Coolidge" as his election motto went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 3)No the problem lies with the general populace not just the parents. Why learn if I can throw a ball over a 100mph and my parents (notice the government never does this) push me to spend all my time practicing baseball instead of learning. Why learn when I can just skip school and hang out with friends (truancy has been against the law for as long as I can remember). Why learn when my parents don't care how I am doing in school. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sounds like someone needs a hug because they didn't bond well with their parents The government can do a lot to "inspire" people if it used it's resources and made the effort. Increasing awareness in edjucation, creating benefits for better grades, making better learning enviroments. You're guilty of the very thing you're accusing the "parents" of... you just don't seem to care about edjucation. So much easier to pass the buck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Personally I believe it is the government, society, and parents responsibility to make sure our education is strong. Our government in making sure the opportunities are there and the resources available. It is our society as a whole to teach our young people so that they can become positive members to strengthen the whole. It is the parents to motivate and guide their children as well as give them individual aid when they need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakoth Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Not really you stated your opinion: 2) I am aware of that. Personally I believe most adults should be steralized. I stated mine: 2) If that is your opinion you are entitled to it. My opinion is that you are an idiot. Main Entry: id Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 The government could make a better education structure. Like I posted earlier, make school a year round affair. Offer foreign language course at a much earlier age. Make children start school at an earlier age. Dakoth, there is no need for personal attacks. I also think that over population is a problem. I think that Limiting couples to at most two children, and penalize those who have more, would slow it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 So who is really passing the buck here Darque I make a call for personal responsibility and you blame the government sounds to me more like you are doing the passing. Nope, nice try, but again you fail. I've only focused "on" the government in this discussion, that doesn't mean that's where I focus all the "blame" as you call it. Only that I've brought up the government in this discussion. So who flamed who first? You did, you made a direct insult. You yourself stated my post wasn't directed at anyone. Nor was what I posted an insult. You chose to flame... any excuses for "why" you did it or that you want to make can't change that. as for your flaming... if you want to be an ass that's your option... and I have the option of ignoring you But keep in mind, while I am a miracle worker at times, I can't give you a new personality... only you can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakoth Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 The government could make a better education structure. Like I posted earlier, make school a year round affair. Offer foreign language course at a much earlier age. Make children start school at an earlier age. Dakoth, there is no need for personal attacks. I also think that over population is a problem. I think that Limiting couples to at most two children, and penalize those who have more, would slow it down. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hades I didn't go after Darque until she made the coment about most people need to be sterilised. Now that that is adressed what good is it for the US to have population control if say Mexico and Canada do not? That sort of limit needs to be a world wide thing to have any impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Hades I didn't go after Darque until she made the coment about most people need to be sterilised. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nice way to justify your personal attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 What other people do in their own countries is their business. I would strengthen our southern border to make sure illegals don't come across the line. I have no problem with legal immigrants but illegal immigration needs to be stopped, violently if needed. The only country I am worried about is our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 What other people do in their own countries is their business. I would strengthen our southern border to make sure illegals don't come across the line. I have no problem with legal immigrants but illegal immigration needs to be stopped, violently if needed. The only country I am worried about is our own. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with all of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakoth Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 You did, you made a direct insult. You yourself stated my post wasn't directed at anyone. Nor was what I posted an insult. Nice try on twisting my words but just because you didn't aim the insult directly at me doesn't make it any less of an insult. Would you be of a differnt mind if I said people who believe in sterilisation of most people of the world are idiots? Its not aimed directly at you but you would fall under that category. Is I hate (insert any plural form of a racial slur here) any less offensive than I hate you ( insert singular form of racial slur here)? You implied I need to be sterilised as I said you didn't say some you said most. As for ignoring me good because if you truly believe most people need to be sterilised I would rather not talk to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nice try, but again you fail. The difference is you made a direct attack, I did not. If what I said made you feel insulted, you should have either tried to PM me and come to an understanding, PM'd a Mod, or tried to make this clear on the boards and give me time to either apologize for the unintentional insult or some other compromise. Instead you chose to just flame. You chose to make a personal attack. What you did was far worse than what I might have done since anything I did wasn't directed OR intentional. What you chose to do was intentional. You chose to flame. and thus you are guilty of everything you claim I have done... while I am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakoth Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 What other people do in their own countries is their business. I would strengthen our southern border to make sure illegals don't come across the line. I have no problem with legal immigrants but illegal immigration needs to be stopped, violently if needed. The only country I am worried about is our own. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree on illegal imigration, but if the US's population rises slowly while other countries double then what was gained? We are not self suficient. I've only focused "on" the government in this discussion, that doesn't mean that's where I focus all the "blame" as you call it. Only that I've brought up the government in this discussion. You still have not brought anything to the table that the government doesn't already do so please keep the thoughts coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Most anyone who whines about another flaming them is a crybaby idiot. P.S. I didn't flame anyone in this post as I was generalizing. R00fles! DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakoth Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Nice try, but again you fail. The difference is you made a direct attack, I did not. If what I said made you feel insulted, you should have either tried to PM me and come to an understanding, PM'd a Mod, or tried to make this clear on the boards and give me time to either apologize for the unintentional insult or some other compromise. Instead you chose to just flame. You chose to make a personal attack. What you did was far worse than what I might have done since anything I did wasn't directed OR intentional. What you chose to do was intentional. You chose to flame. and thus you are guilty of everything you claim I have done... while I am not. I never said I was not guilty, what I said is you are not as innocent as you claim. What you said is the same as if I would have said I hate all crakers. You did it with the express intent to draw a reaction. Sterilisation is quite different from limiting the number of children people can have. It also intones you believe that any one you consider inferior to you are the ones that need to be, remember you said most not some or all. If it was not meant as a genral attack then you need to reword it because that is exactly what it was. What you basically said is those I consider less than I am need to be sterilised. As for the other things you said. 1) I have Pmed others in the past only to be ignored. If you would have responded well sorry but passed experience has shown different. 2)Tell a mod why as I said it was your opinion and you are entitled to it why tell a mod? 3) Well techinically the last thing still has a chance to happen doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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