Light Side Powers

[JediEastwood]

In KOTOR I, there were only several Dark Side or Neutral Force Powers that could actually damage your enemy like Force Wave or Force Storm... Will any of the new 30 Force Powers in KOTOR II actually be Light Side orientented and still do damage???

[Archmonarch]

I doubt it. That isnt the province of the light side. It is supposed to defend and aid.

[Ludozee]

doublepost "

[Archmonarch]

Actually, I see 5 of this thread.

[JediEastwood]

uh-oh... a few too many posts... stupid internet connection... errors...

 

Anyways... I know it's all defend and aid, but there should be at least one sort of new offensive power... you can't expect Light Side users to always survive with only a lightsaber, while the Dark Side users have both offensive powers and a lightsaber... it's too one sided... Light Side users should get some other advantage...

[Archmonarch]

Lightside has its advantages, as does the darkside. One disadvantage of the lightside is no offensive powers except universal ones, which are really all you need.

[JediEastwood]

But in KOTOR I, Force Wave got really annoying after using it like 20 times on a group of enemies... TSL should include like 5-10 more offensive neutral powers...

[Archmonarch]

It wont happen.

[Jeo]

Light side powers are as strong as the dark side.

 

If you use force protection, you can't be harmed by a dark force power (in a succesfull role).

if you use force absorb, you absorb the dark force powers into health. (this one is exceptionaly powerful)

if you use force deflection, you deflect the dark force power back were it came from.

if you use force valor, your entire party fights better.

etc.

 

So as you can see, the light side powers are as strong and as cool as the dark side powers.

 

I prefer the light side because you can powerup your intire party with the force, even heal the party all at once.

[Barzarel]

Light side powers are as strong as the dark side.

 

If you use force protection, you can't be harmed by a dark force power (in a succesfull role).

if you use force absorb, you absorb the dark force powers into health. (this one is exceptionaly powerful)

if you use force deflection, you deflect the dark force power back were it came from.

if you use force valor, your entire party fights better.

etc.

 

So as you can see, the light side powers are as strong and as cool as the dark side powers.

 

I prefer the light side because you can powerup your intire party with the force, even heal the party all at once.

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Problem is force Breach remove most LS protection which is pretty cheat given it takes long to rebuff, DS dont suffer these penalties so to say, but yes if the werent easy removed effect of LS it would have been pretty balanced.

[Jeo]

There are also ways to protect you from force breach.

[Azazis]

Perhaps an offensive power only towards darkside force users can be created? Something like a Purge or something.

[Jeo]

Force drain would be a good light side power. You lower the amount of force power points of your target.

 

Actually, it fits more to universal power "

 

 

Or what about this one --> force deletion

the jedi pushes the force around him away from him, so dark jedi can't hit this jedi with their force powers, but then the jedi also can't use his defensive force power on himself, because he is in that empty space.

This power would be good if all your defensive powers are too weak.

 

 

Or this one --> force gift

Your jedi oponent loses some of his side-points.

For example, a jedi uses force gift on a sith (which means that the jedi gives his light side force to the sith), then the sith gets more light side points, this means that it costs him more force points to use his powers.

 

 

And what about this one --> force object

Your force user uses this force power to throw an object at your target.

[DSLuke]

Mark my words kids......

 

there shouldn't be OFFENSIVE light side powers.....

 

end of topic.

[Barzarel]

But if there should even be considered LS offensive they should be minded only on Sith and do something rendering the unable to fight effectively, such as Force point drains, dmg shields giving opponent damage.

 

So it only creates harm to opponent if he choice to remain hostile forward the Jedi.

 

Since jedi are about balance and non violence, then violence forward enemy should be promoted by attacker not jedi.

 

Remember:

 

There is no emotion.... there is peace!(LS)

 

There is no peace.... peace is a lie(DS)

 

Think if you make Jedi's the aggresive then you are not true to the jedi code, however thinks Like DMG shield that Reflect dmg or force point drain is non aggresive powers, since they only make a person either inflict harm on themselves by being aggresive or render them unable to fight, there by youll still be true to jedi code.

[Ras Nareth]

Jedi powers are non-aggressive, anything that does damage is. So that is against the Jedi philosophy. The Universal powers are a mix of Lightside and Darkside, but true Lightside powers cannot cause harm, they only heal or augment. If you want to cause damage, go Darkside or Neutral, but as it is in the SW Universe the Lightside cannot cause damage, to anything.

 

Edit: Lightside cannot cause direct damage, purposeful with malicious intent.

[Jeo]

Then why did Yoda himself deflect the incoming lightning straight back to Count Dooku? If Dooku wasn't ready for it, he'd be damaged!

 

Besides, Jedi inflict damaged with their lightsabres.

 

The real Jedi phylosophy doesn't say you may not inflict damage, it says you can to defend yourself. But without anger, fear, impatience, even love or any kind of emotion. So you won't give into it and use it whenever you have that emotion again.

 

When a Jedi uses anger to use the force, he will do it again whever he gets angry and finally lose control over himself.

That's why a Jedi cannot give into to any emotion when using the force, so he'll use it only when absolutely necessery, that is why he stays in control.

 

That is why most Light side powers are non-attacking, because he does it without emotion (you only use lightning when you are angry, but then you have no control because you do it because you are angry).

 

non-attacking is not the same as non-damaging.

Like what Yoda did, force deflect.

He deflected the lightning back to Count Dooku, but Yoda didn't attack him.

If Dooku didn't react in time he would have been damaged by his own lightning, by his OWN lightning, by his OWN attack.

Yoda didn't attack Dooku.

 

Sith try to use the force to hurt and damage everything, making people weak and defenceless.

Jedi try to use the force to protect and defend everything, making people constitutive and harmless.

 

So the sith do damage and the jedi make themself unable to be damaged, that's what's the lightsabre is for.

 

That's my phylosophy about people using the force.

 

"It all based on our certain point of view" - Obi-wan Kenobi

[Laozi]

You have a lightsaber, theres your offense if you're a ls user

[Ras Nareth]

Then why did Yoda himself deflect the incoming lightning straight back to Count Dooku? If Dooku wasn't ready for it, he'd be damaged!

 

Besides, Jedi inflict damaged with their lightsabres.

 

The real Jedi phylosophy doesn't say you may not inflict damage, it says you can to defend yourself. But without anger, fear, impatience, even love or any kind of emotion. So you won't give into it and use it whenever you have that emotion again.

 

When a Jedi uses anger to use the force, he will do it again whever he gets angry and finally lose control over himself.

That's why a Jedi cannot give into to any emotion when using the force, so he'll use it only when absolutely necessery, that is why he stays in control.

 

That is why most Light side powers are non-attacking, because he does it without emotion (you only use lightning when you are angry, but then you have no control because you do it because you are angry).

 

non-attacking is not the same as non-damaging.

Like what Yoda did, force deflect.

He deflected the lightning back to Count Dooku, but Yoda didn't attack him.

If Dooku didn't react in time he would have been damaged by his own lightning, by his OWN lightning, by his OWN attack.

Yoda didn't attack Dooku.

 

Sith try to use the force to hurt and damage everything, making people weak and defenceless.

Jedi try to use the force to protect and defend everything, making people constitutive and harmless.

 

So the sith do damage and the jedi make themself unable to be damaged, that's what's the lightsabre is for.

 

That's my phylosophy about people using the force.

 

"It all based on our certain point of view" - Obi-wan Kenobi

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What I meant was that Jedi powers are not offensive by nature. Jedi may only act in self defense and kill in defense, he may attack, but only when provoked or defending a cause.

[Barzarel]

Then why did Yoda himself deflect the incoming lightning straight back to Count Dooku? If Dooku wasn't ready for it, he'd be damaged!

 

Besides, Jedi inflict damaged with their lightsabres.

 

The real Jedi phylosophy doesn't say you may not inflict damage, it says you can to defend yourself. But without anger, fear, impatience, even love or any kind of emotion. So you won't give into it and use it whenever you have that emotion again.

 

When a Jedi uses anger to use the force, he will do it again whever he gets angry and finally lose control over himself.

That's why a Jedi cannot give into to any emotion when using the force, so he'll use it only when absolutely necessery, that is why he stays in control.

 

That is why most Light side powers are non-attacking, because he does it without emotion (you only use lightning when you are angry, but then you have no control because you do it because you are angry).

 

non-attacking is not the same as non-damaging.

Like what Yoda did, force deflect.

He deflected the lightning back to Count Dooku, but Yoda didn't attack him.

If Dooku didn't react in time he would have been damaged by his own lightning, by his OWN lightning, by his OWN attack.

Yoda didn't attack Dooku.

 

Sith try to use the force to hurt and damage everything, making people weak and defenceless.

Jedi try to use the force to protect and defend everything, making people constitutive and harmless.

 

So the sith do damage and the jedi make themself unable to be damaged, that's what's the lightsabre is for.

 

That's my phylosophy about people using the force.

 

"It all based on our certain point of view" - Obi-wan Kenobi

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What I meant was that Jedi powers are not offensive by nature. Jedi may only act in self defense and kill in defense, he may attack, but only when provoked or defending a cause.

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As i in other words said before i believe the only offensive like power you could make are ones making attacking unable to attack, that way its still partly aggresive without causing fysical harm to opponent, or a shield function that cause opponent harm that way only cause harm to opponent if he choose to be aggresive against defender.

 

This should in some manner still prove true to the philosphy since it doesnt cause harm intendedly, less there is a intention of being aggressive from opponent.

[ben_thuggin]

There could be one like force light or something. A bright light could shine, burning away the dark... Sorry for being overdramatic :D

[metadigital]

You can always use a Dark power, even if you are lightside. It just costs more ... at least that was the situation in KotOR (maybe that has been updated in KotOR 2 ?)