Do You Think Your PC Will Be Stronger Then Revan

[SilverSun]

.. But he wasn't wrong... both official endings have Revan beating Malak and both endings have this same plot element in them. In order for the game and the storyline to be complete Revan (possibly with his crew) has to go through Malak's troops and apprentices.

 

Okay this is now my last post...*LOL*

 

That only proves what Malak thinks,not that what Malak thinks is stone cold fact of the situation.

[Jedi Master D Murda]

See, as far as storyline continuity goes, I always got the impression that Revan was comparable to say Mace Windu in the power spectrum.  One of the best of the best, legendary even, but not completely untouchable, as say a prime Vader or Exar Kun.  That little rodian dude in the game rather bluntly states that Revan, pre-mindwipe, was not as strong as Exar. 

 

I still think Revan was meant to be one of the more historic figures of the SW universe, but not quite on the same level as Palps/Vader/Exar/Markos Ragnos etc. in terms of raw power.

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Mace huh, I always thought Yoda... wishful thinking I guess

 

I too believe Revan was meant to be a historical figure but not until K3 at least. Revan was strong but not untouchable, but I think he is sort of portrayed that way story wise. When I first beat K1 my Revan was incredibly weak and was limping over holding his stomach when the final fight was all said and done.

 

But I think it all comes down to our point of view of how strong Revan was, afterall he/she is everyone's character. My view of Revan is that he was powerful for a Knight but still had ways to go before he could become a Master.

[forgion]

Actually . I hope our new character is going to be more powerfull than Revan.

What I didn't like at KOTOR 1 was that I had to be a character that was made up by another(so what was the meaning of naming a character when they are going to change it later?).

So this time I want to have my original character and not a made up.

 

This character is going to be much stronger than Revan because it will reflect myself and he is going to keep the name I gave to him.

[GhostofAnakin]

Actually . I hope our new character is going to be more powerfull than Revan.

What I didn't like at KOTOR 1 was that I had to be a character that was made up by another(so what was the meaning of naming a character when they are going to change it later?).

So this time I want to have my original character and not a made up.

 

This character is going to be much stronger than Revan because it will reflect myself and he is going to keep the name I gave to him.

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Uh, hate to burst your bubble, but apart from the name, the new character is in a sense going to be an "existing" one like Revan was, since it's already known he's served under Revan.

 

In other words, it's not just some random civilian who happens to stumble upon a threat to the galaxy.

[Baneblade]

Uh, hate to burst your bubble, but apart from the name, the new character is in a sense going to be an "existing" one like Revan was, since it's already known he's served under Revan.

 

In other words, it's not just some random civilian who happens to stumble upon a threat to the galaxy.

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Yes, sadly this is required to create a truly coherent storyline.

 

BTW I fully agree to your reasoning as to why the new PC shouldn't be more powerful than Revan.... IMO, raising level cap usually means that the Devs have taken the easy way out..

 

OMG... they have fallen to the dark side

[Bastilla_Skywalker]

Well there is going to be more story depth for kotor too...hopfully we will see more proof to what Revan achieved and our new character

[GhostofAnakin]

BTW I fully agree to your reasoning as to why the new PC shouldn't be more powerful than Revan....  IMO, raising level cap usually means that the Devs have taken the easy way out..

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I think the problem with those who don't see a problem with the TSL PC being more powerful than Revan is that they're only looking at the small picture. Maybe I'm just not explaining myself well enough. Who knows.

 

I think if people forget the name "Revan" and instead focuss on the REASONS behind the explanation, it might sink in. It's not that I don't think the PC should be more powerful than "Revan" per se, but that the PC (who just happens to be Revan) in KOTOR1 was thrust down our throats as an uber powerful Jedi, someone that comes along once in a generation. So now, if the new PC is more powerful, then that "once in a generation" feel is ruined.

 

It also has a snowball effect because then when KOTOR3 rolls around, this new PC will be "more powerful" than the TSL PC, and so on. I think that's the part people don't seem to get. They just see this as "should the TSL PC be more powerful than Revan?" instead of the more apt question "should the PC in every subsequent game be more powerful than his predecesor?".

[Bastilla_Skywalker]

if you dont mind me asking what does uber jedi mean?

[GhostofAnakin]

if you dont mind me asking what does uber jedi mean?

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super, rediculously powerful, unstoppable, maxed out stats, near invincible, as close to god-like as can be achieved, etc.

[Bastilla_Skywalker]

lol that sounds alright to me....sounds good to kill off the mannan speices...the selkath?....

[213374U]

And you wouldn't think a group of Ewoks could take down a legion of Pal's best troops either.

I cringe at the sole thought of that. I would rather you didn't mention that particular subject, the existance of midi-chlorians, or the name 'Ja-Jar Binks', if we are to keep it civil. Thank you.

 

To a point it would be needed,though it would be Vandar and not Yoda. Besides I all ready said I was off on that one,but you were pry still typing.

I believe I finally understand what you are looking for. I think what you seek is a gauge of 'Jedi-worth', which ranks Revan at X, Yoda at Y, and Vader at Z. I don't think there is such a thing in the SW universe though. However that is not what the topic was about.

I seem to have misunderstood you from the beginning.

 

I just wonder if rising the level cap was Obsidian's idea or instead a LA requirement. These people are developing NWN2 after all, so I'm guessing they are pretty familiar with the D20 system. And anyone who knows the D20 system knows that messing with it at the core usually yields unpredictable results.

 

Oh no... I'm hijacking the thread again! :ph34r:

[Bastilla_Skywalker]

lol...oh i understand now.....you think reven be more powerful the nvader and yoda?.....na dont think so

[SilverSun]

But I think it all comes down to our point of view of how strong Revan was, afterall he/she is everyone's character.

 

Which is a good thing,it makes the character personal,but I think it also creates situations like this one where people grow to really like the character and the idea that he/she wasn't the best bothers some people. Not that is a bad thing though, shows that the accomplished what they were trying to do.

 

I cringe at the sole thought of that. I would rather you didn't mention that particular subject, the existance of midi-chlorians, or the name 'Ja-Jar Binks', if we are to keep it civil. Thank you.

 

My point was made then about something,no matter what fans may or may not think about it, being written in I take it?

 

I believe I finally understand what you are looking for. I think what you seek is a gauge of 'Jedi-worth', which ranks Revan at X, Yoda at Y, and Vader at Z. I don't think there is such a thing in the SW universe though. However that is not what the topic was about. I seem to have misunderstood you from the beginning.

 

I read through the topic and saw a few posts about Revan being this or that and I never actually saw the anything in the game that said those things. Yes I was looking for something saying exactly how powerful Revan and something to judge it by that wasn't in the players control. There is something like that from an official stand point. Lucas has said that Vader is/was the strongest.Lucas decides things like that,not all the fans like it or the choices he makes but they are his too make.

 

And anyone who knows the D20 system knows that messing with it at the core usually yields unpredictable results.

 

The thing is Knights didn't use the d20 rules,they used a set based off or a modified version of the d20 rules. They weren't exactly the same set,and they've pry been changed again for Sith Lords. I thought it worked well in Knights and will pry do so again in this one.

 

I think the problem with those who don't see a problem with the TSL PC being more powerful than Revan is that they're only looking at the small picture. Maybe I'm just not explaining myself well enough. Who knows.

I think if people forget the name "Revan" and instead focuss on the REASONS behind the explanation, it might sink in. It's not that I don't think the PC should be more powerful than "Revan" per se, but that the PC (who just happens to be Revan) in KOTOR1 was thrust down our throats as an uber powerful Jedi, someone that comes along once in a generation. So now, if the new PC is more powerful, then that "once in a generation" feel is ruined.

It also has a snowball effect because then when KOTOR3 rolls around, this new PC will be "more powerful" than the TSL PC, and so on. I think that's the part people don't seem to get. They just see this as "should the TSL PC be more powerful than Revan?" instead of the more apt question "should the PC in every subsequent game be more powerful than his predecesor?".

 

You have a vaild point,though just like I haven't seen anything to state exactly how powerful Revan was in Knights,you more then likely won't see anything in Sith Lords that says exactly how powerful this PC is. And you'll have the players decide for themselves,much like what was done in this one,who is more powerful. And you'll end up with 100 some post topics on a message board debating the ideas.

 

So we'll see in you SL PC Vs Knights 3 PC topic in the future?

[pleto4_ryan]

I quess that with more levels and more force powers, the protagonist can turn up stronger than Revan...but who knows?

Actually, this would only count if in the game you come face to face with Revan and defeat him/her.

[Darth Ni]

Probably. He will be just as strong if not, stronger.