Bastila Shan vs Anakin Skywalker

[Fearless_Jedi]

Hey Nur dont get pissed just because I use valid sources and logic, that is how an argunment is created not through the use of personal opinion.

 

So I am going to continue believing in my valid sources (not hoaxes) while you go cry in a corner cause, as Influence so humbly put it, "You got served like a five star restaurant!"

 

Now, when you stop crying, if you feel like actually trying to debate this then feel free, I'll be here waiting.

 

As for Bastila....she is a Jedi Sentinel not a Guardian, further more she is a padawan, not a master, now depending on which movie you base Anakin's abilities( lets say EpIII cause that is Anakin at his best) then we know he is a Guardian cause EpII says Anakin could rival Master yoda as a swordsman, and in EpIII we know he is a Jedi Knight.

 

Well, I personally think a Jedi Knight class Guardian would have no trouble dispatching a Jedi Padawan class Sentinel.

 

Furthermore I dont see how Jedi would get worse....it is more logical that training would improve and so would the Jedi's power (simple evolution).

 

This is probably a bunch of crap similar to the 7 forms.

[KOTORFanactic]

The Rakata Elders said that they once could use the force, but then lost that ability.

The Rakata theorized that they could no longer use the force because they overused it. To put it simply, they became so saturated using force powers, they became immune to being able to use it.

 

The same thing appears to be happening between the time of Bastila and Anakin. The jedi r using the force to much, and r becoming more and more immune to being able to use it.

 

This gives Bastila yet another vital edge over Anakin, as stated many times before. Anakin would be more of a common jedi in Bastila's time. Bastila was not a common jedi in her time. She would simply have more force power avaliable to her.

[DSLuke]

I don't agree with this. Usually when you use a thing you are becoming better at it and your abilities with it increase, not the opposite!

[KOTORFanactic]

As for Bastila....she is a Jedi Sentinel not a Guardian, further more she is a padawan, not a master, now depending on which movie you base Anakin's abilities( lets say EpIII cause that is Anakin at his best) then we know he is a Guardian cause EpII says Anakin could rival Master yoda as a swordsman, and in EpIII we know he is a Jedi Knight.

 

Well, I personally think a Jedi Knight class Guardian would have no trouble dispatching a Jedi Padawan class Sentinel.

 

For this u r leaving out 2 important facts.

1) Imagine how powerful Bastila would be by KOTOR2 and beyond. By TSL she may be a knight herself.

 

2) When you compare Sentinel to Guardian, u appear to be basing that on combat skills only. U forget force powers would play a vital role, and that is one area where Bastila has the edge, as well as others.

[Fearless_Jedi]

Like I said before, simple evolution would state that they understood more and training would get better so I have trouble believing that.

 

And the Rakata actually did overuse the Force I mean there technology could only be used with the force, they where like ancient dark jedi....

Normal Jedi believe in harmony with the force and to follow its will(they serve the force), while dark jedi/sith believe it is a tool they use for there own benefit thus the Force serves them.....and I suppose using the force in such a way leads to what happens to the Rakata.

 

Wrote this before saw Kotor Fans response

[Fearless_Jedi]

If the whole, Old Jedi where more powerful that newer jedi then perhaps Bastila could win but I doubt that theory very much.

 

And although Sentinels have more force powers, all Anakin needs is Immunity and he would be protected from most of them, even if he didn't have it Bastila's lack of combat ability would be her undoing because she couldn't take off enough HP while poor Ani was frozen, not to mention when Anakin does attack Bastilas defense would be poor and thus more hp would be removed.

 

If you look at the simple fact that yes Bastila was more powerful than most padawans and knights when she was a padawan then you would have to look and see and notice that Anakin was more powerful than most masters (including Windu, based off the spoiler) when he was a Knight. So I am still gonna have to go with Anakin, even though they both possess a similar mediclorien count. He has more experience being a knight and that alone gives him the win.

 

Also, I notice Nur replying so I will be with him in a minute.

[sickboycp]

Don't forget also that the Sith disappeared for a long period of time. It's possible, even likely that the Jedi didn't need the Force as much as they did during the Sith heyday. By the time of Ep I, they may be well out of practice, a situation the Sith are able to take advantage of.

[Nur Ab Sal]

Hey Nur dont get pissed just because I use valid sources and logic, that is how an argunment is created not through the use of personal opinion.

 

What "valid sources"? all you did was talking about gillard. This is a valid source?

 

So I am going to continue believing in my valid sources (not hoaxes) while you go cry in a corner cause, as Influence so humbly put it, "You got served like a five star restaurant!"

 

I don't understand your comment. I just think that discussing with someone who

doesn't even confront my argumentation and repeats all the time the same is pointless. And being sarcastic doesn't change anything

 

Now, when you stop crying, if you feel like actually trying to debate this then feel free, I'll be here waiting

.

 

Very well, let's start with your attack on my looong post that you've ignored (that was the reason for my withdrawal) and destroy my arguments step by step like I did with yours, instead of repeating yourself endlessly.

 

As for Bastila....she is a Jedi Sentinel not a Guardian, further more she is a padawan, not a master, now depending on which movie you base Anakin's abilities( lets say EpIII cause that is Anakin at his best) then we know he is a Guardian cause EpII says Anakin could rival Master yoda as a swordsman, and in EpIII we know he is a Jedi Knight.

 

Yes "valid sources" hahaha. Anakin in EII said that he's better than yoda, but his opinion doesn't matter. Now you're lying.

 

Furthermore I dont see how Jedi would get worse....it is more logical that training would improve and so would the Jedi's power (simple evolution).

 

Official EU states so. This is as official as 7 forms. Unless you're to dumb to understand this

 

This is probably a bunch of crap similar to the 7 forms

 

The only bunch of crap is you, if you're so unintelligent to ignore Lucasfilm official document about EU that I'm afraid makes forms, and all stuff canon.

[Fearless_Jedi]

Still, logically they would advance there art like any craftsman would.

[Nur Ab Sal]

Still, logically they would advance there art like any craftsman would.

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Not quite. We know that every art and culture has it's growths and falls that are convertible.

[DSLuke]

Here are some lists of the most powerful force user, midiclorian counts etc.

 

Most Powerful Jedi Knights

 

Most Powerful Sith Lords

 

Midiclorian List

 

 

hope it helps B)

[KOTORFanactic]

Still, logically they would advance there art like any craftsman would.

 

If we combine my idea with overuse of the force, along with that the new jedi of the prequel simply lost the powers of the jeid of the KOTOR era, then we most likely hav a very valid idea. It could be a combination of both of these.

 

They would advance, and some ppl seem to be forgetting that not only would Anakin hav advanced between Ep2 and Ep3, but Bastila will also hav advanced between KOTOR and KOTOR2.

[sickboycp]

Still, logically they would advance there art like any craftsman would.

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I'll try to find the specific reference in my copy of the novelization of The Phantom Menace, but in it, it is specifically stated that the Jedi Order is much weaker in the "current" era than they were 'back in the day.'

 

That is what makes it so easy for Sidious to mask the presence of the dark side.

 

EDIT: Much weaker in terms of Force sensitivity. I imagine I should make that clear.

[Nur Ab Sal]

Here are some lists of the most powerful force user, midiclorian counts etc.

 

Most Powerful Jedi Knights

 

Most Powerful Sith Lords

 

Midiclorian List

 

 

hope it helps B)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

This is some fansite, nothing official. This guy probably composed list of most powerful knights acc to his own personal taste (Fisto sucks BTW). And as I know there wasn't any midichlorian chart by now.

 

Faster Fearless I don't have all day to wait for your arguments.

[Fearless_Jedi]

Hey Nur dont get pissed just because I use valid sources and logic, that is how an argunment is created not through the use of personal opinion.

 

What "valid sources"? all you did was talking about gillard. This is a valid source?

 

So I am going to continue believing in my valid sources (not hoaxes) while you go cry in a corner cause, as Influence so humbly put it, "You got served like a five star restaurant!"

 

I don't understand your comment. I just think that discussing with someone who

doesn't even confront my argumentation and repeats all the time the same is pointless. And being sarcastic doesn't change anything

 

Now, when you stop crying, if you feel like actually trying to debate this then feel free, I'll be here waiting

.

 

Very well, let's start with your attack on my looong post that you've ignored (that was the reason for my withdrawal) and destroy my arguments step by step like I did with yours, instead of repeating yourself endlessly.

 

As for Bastila....she is a Jedi Sentinel not a Guardian, further more she is a padawan, not a master, now depending on which movie you base Anakin's abilities( lets say EpIII cause that is Anakin at his best) then we know he is a Guardian cause EpII says Anakin could rival Master yoda as a swordsman, and in EpIII we know he is a Jedi Knight.

 

Yes "valid sources" hahaha. Anakin in EII said that he's better than yoda, but his opinion doesn't matter. Now you're lying.

 

Furthermore I dont see how Jedi would get worse....it is more logical that training would improve and so would the Jedi's power (simple evolution).

 

Official EU states so. This is as official as 7 forms. Unless you're to dumb to understand this

 

This is probably a bunch of crap similar to the 7 forms

 

The only bunch of crap is you, if you're so unintelligent to ignore Lucasfilm official document about EU that I'm afraid makes forms, and all stuff canon.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If you use those elementary reading skills you will find that I did attack all partially valid points you made in your post, the rest where hourse crap.

 

And EU is based off the movies and the movies are the cannon source I use, being so the movies are more cannon because GL created em. Thus if something contradicts what is in the movie then that something is moot. Simple as that.

 

Like I said about sources I did not make links but I have read the article about the forms, I have read the EU books, I have seen the movies, I have researched and found that Gillard said the 7 forms where wrong, and since he is the authority on the combat in movies and movies override EU then I go with Gillard. And if you want links then u ask for em, otherwise you can kiss my ass.

 

And about the official document, I wouldn't mind reading that cause I am sure you just didn't understand the simple wording in it so please give me a link. And if you dont have one then your point is complete crap.

 

And why not doing a better job confronting my argument cause you are the one who has said EU a thousand times with no reference to an actual book/magaizine/or anything.

 

Oh and Obi-Wan, in EP2, said Anakin "could" be better than Yoda with more practice, that is what I was pointing out, not what anakin thinks. So go screw yourself cause i aint no lier, and saying such breaches the contract you made when you registered with these forums. Defamation of charcter is not allowed.

 

And even if EU says something, it can still be wrong, if you believed everything you heard would you not find contradictions. What EU says about the tiemline thing is crap, no civilization that has stood for "thousands of years" (quote, Palpatine Ep2) progresses backward.

 

Quote: Not quite. We know that every art and culture has it's growths and falls that are convertible.

 

Culture's only have falls when the civilization is taken over or destroyed, that never happened to the jedi or the republic from KotOR to Clone Wars. Thus how an art could progress backward when the only way to go is forward is beyond me.

Now possibly when there numbers dwindle on that of extiction like TSL and ANH something is lost but that something isn't of great value cause both times there was someone who passed on their knowledge to keep the art going.....and in ANH there where more Jedi alive than there was thought to be and possibly that will be the same with TSL.

[Fearless_Jedi]

Here are some lists of the most powerful force user, midiclorian counts etc.

 

Most Powerful Jedi Knights

 

Most Powerful Sith Lords

 

Midiclorian List

 

 

hope it helps B)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

This is some fansite, nothing official. This guy probably composed list of most powerful knights acc to his own personal taste (Fisto sucks BTW). And as I know there wasn't any midichlorian chart by now.

 

Faster Fearless I don't have all day to wait for your arguments.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This is something I finally agree on.

[Fearless_Jedi]

Still, logically they would advance there art like any craftsman would.

 

If we combine my idea with overuse of the force, along with that the new jedi of the prequel simply lost the powers of the jeid of the KOTOR era, then we most likely hav a very valid idea. It could be a combination of both of these.

 

They would advance, and some ppl seem to be forgetting that not only would Anakin hav advanced between Ep2 and Ep3, but Bastila will also hav advanced between KOTOR and KOTOR2.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

But Jedi serve the force and use it only when necessary, sith like the Rakata overuse it because they think the force serves them. So that wont work. And who is to say bastila lives on into KotOR 2??? I chose to kill her in KotOR.

 

Any way I have other things to do right now (laundry) so my response to Nur's next argument will be sometime later this afternoon.

[GhostofAnakin]

Here are some lists of the most powerful force user, midiclorian counts etc.

 

Most Powerful Jedi Knights

 

Most Powerful Sith Lords

 

Midiclorian List

 

 

hope it helps B)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Oh God, please tell me you didn't just use Supershadow as "proof" of any argument.

[sickboycp]

Oh God, please tell me you didn't just use Supershadow as "proof" of any argument. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

 

 

Hahahahaha. Did anyone see the picture of his "girlfriend" he has linked on his site.

 

 

[Child of Flame]

Here are some lists of the most powerful force user, midiclorian counts etc.

 

Most Powerful Jedi Knights

 

Most Powerful Sith Lords

 

Midiclorian List

 

 

hope it helps B)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

This is some fansite, nothing official. This guy probably composed list of most powerful knights acc to his own personal taste (Fisto sucks BTW). And as I know there wasn't any midichlorian chart by now.

 

Faster Fearless I don't have all day to wait for your arguments.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

 

Especially since according to his list Chewbacca should have been considered for Jedi training and not Solo....WTF?!! As many times as Solo cheated death (including before he even met up with Chewie), he has to have something going for him forcewise.

[GhostofAnakin]

 

Oh God, please tell me you didn't just use Supershadow as "proof" of any argument. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

 

 

Hahahahaha. Did anyone see the picture of his "girlfriend" he has linked on his site.

 

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I heard that he, not George Lucas, actually wrote Star Wars.

[Delta_Wolf]

Bastila would beat him the brakes off him nuff said.

[KOTORFanactic]

Please remain on topic. Thank You.

 

Anyway, i chose for Bastila to live. When i said Bastila would advace between Kotor and KOTOR2, it would be if u chose for her to survive.

 

If they both advanced, I do beleive Bastila would still win. Simply because she would hav grown stronger in the force, and can use the force much better than Anakin. She would still be more machure than Anakin, and more in control. She would simply be the better jedi.

 

P.S. DSLuke, most ppl here beleive supershadow to be a load of garbag produced by some halfwitted fan of starwars.

 

More P.S. Nur Ab Sal and Fearless Jedi. U 2 refuse to remain on topic, so, respectfully either get back to topic, while keeping with ur arguments, if u wish, or take ur argument somewhere else please.

[Fearless_Jedi]

It is all related though.

 

We are just two philosophers with different opinions, give us a break, we like debating this.

[DSLuke]

Bastila in control??????

 

Really she seems the ones who lures to to the dark side, she is so weak minded.

She goes to DS and then simply by listening to you she changes. But she is still afraid to help you face Malak.

 

Yeah it seems she is really strong in the Force.