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[ShinIchiro]

You're sidestepping my question: Why does it really matter that LucasArts "promised" simultaneous release? If you're only going to play the PC version WHY would even care when it's coming out on the X-Box?

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Simple, because they performed unethical business practices. advertising one selling point and promising it as a way to hype up the release (and no doubt pre-orders for the game) and then completely dropping that selling point without so much as even an official reason.

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How is it a selling point if most people only buy ONE version?

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For the reasons given: the fact that now the XBox owners will know the story and spoilers will abound, for the fact that it gives the impression that with a simultaneous release, finally PC gamers aren't being overlooked.

 

And now you sidestepped MY question: Do you have any background in business or marketing? I'm not talking about maybe one or two classes in college, but ACTUAL experience?

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I still don't know what he's talking about...does a significant majority buy one type?

[nightcleaver]

I've already STATED that it's wrong. I've stated that they SHOULD say why they made that decision, at least in general terms, to settle this mess down. Just because they made a MISTAKE, though, doesn't mean that they are LYING. Saying, "well, I might as well decide they were lying, because it's all on them", doesn't validate or put any more truth into the possibility that they were lying all along, which is actually really, really slim - unless you're saying LA marketers don't have as much, if not far more, business experience than yourself?

 

Is it taught in business class to try and get the largest profit margin NOW, while pissing off half of your customers, and not address the issue? Something's going on here, and it stinks more of "mistake" than of "lie". And it's FAR from stinking of, "money under the table", unless you have good points that contradict that.

[Topaz Quasar]

For the reasons given: the fact that now the XBox owners will know the story and spoilers will abound, for the fact that it gives the impression that with a simultaneous release, finally PC gamers aren't being overlooked.

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1. You can AVOID KOTOR2 related forums for 2 months and do something else in the meantime. I was able to avoid KOTOR1 spoilers last year; so can you.

 

2. What do you mean by overlooked? Was KOTOR1 PC version inferior to the X-Box version?

 

And now you sidestepped MY question:  Do you have any background in business or marketing?  I'm not talking about maybe one or two classes in college, but ACTUAL experience?

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No I do not.

[nightcleaver]

Anakin can avoid those spoilers and such, but why should he have to? Why should he be punished and forced into doing something he doesn't want to do because of LA's mistake?

[GhostofAnakin]

I've already STATED that it's wrong.  I've stated that they SHOULD say why they made that decision, at least in general terms, to settle this mess down.  Just because they made a MISTAKE, though, doesn't mean that they are LYING.  Saying, "well, I might as well decide they were lying, because it's all on them", doesn't validate or put any more truth into the possibility that they were lying all along, which is actually really, really slim - unless you're saying LA marketers don't have as much, if not far more, business experience than yourself?

 

Is it taught in business class to try and get the largest profit margin NOW, while pissing off half of your customers, and not address the issue?  Something's going on here, and it stinks more of "mistake" than of "lie".

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Two responses:

 

1-perhaps they underestimated the "backlash" over the decision. Maybe they thought that no one would be upset and wouldn't make a big deal over the simultaneous release.

 

2-incompetence. at the level of business and advertising these people do, this kind of "mistake" just isn't made, or if it is, it's what causes major losses in revenue and a rift in customer support, which is exactly what's happening.

 

I have no clue which it is, and I have no clue what LucasArts was thinking, but I can tell you for a fact from a business perspective, what they DID do was screw up big time.

 

Also, I know you might be responding to someone else's words, because I didn't say they "lied" (originally i did when i first heard the news, but i've ammended my opinion since i've calmed down). I said they used deceptive advertising. Which is what it appears they did. BUT, if it was NOT their intention, then this is gross incompetence.

 

Either way, LucasArts comes away looking bad. Either they intentionally deceived with their advertising, or they were incompetant in everything they did with what they advertised.

[Topaz Quasar]

Anakin can avoid those spoilers and such, but why should he have to?  Why should he be punished and forced into doing something he doesn't want to do because of LA's mistake?

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Now I'm starting to think you guys have some major problems.

 

If having to find something to do for two months after Christmas is "punishment" then I really hope you see a therapist.......

[GhostofAnakin]

1. You can AVOID KOTOR2 related forums for 2 months and do something else in the meantime. I was able to avoid KOTOR1 spoilers last year; so can you.

 

I know this is just semantics, but it's not only KOTOR specific forums that will have spoilers. I'm on a hockey forum too, and one of the off topic threads all of a sudden started talking about Doom 3 and its plot. So if I was a fan of Doom 3 trying to avoid spoilers, I wouldn't have been able to avoid that one even though I wasn't on a Doom 3 forum.

 

2. What do you mean by overlooked? Was KOTOR1 PC version inferior to the X-Box version?

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It was released later than the XBox version. Which indicates one group of customer is more important than the other.

 

Think about it with this analogy. You have two children. They both want a bike. If you buy a bike for one kid but then don't buy one for the other kid for another 2 months, would that not show favoritism? Would the second child not complain about unfairness? So then you PROMISE to make it up to them by saying next time you're at the mall you'll buy BOTH of them a gift. But wait, you go to the mall and again you buy the first child a gift and tell the other child they can wait 2 months.

 

Same thing here.

[ShinIchiro]

Anakin can avoid those spoilers and such, but why should he have to?  Why should he be punished and forced into doing something he doesn't want to do because of LA's mistake?

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Now I'm starting to think you guys have some major problems.

 

If having to find something to do for two months after Christmas is "punishment" then I really hope you see a therapist.......

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Um...did he ever say anything like that? Man, you keep twisting words.

 

 

BTW anakin, I said lies. I just recently calmed down (shortly after I vented on my really fun spamming campaign at LA forums). Now I think it's 30% chance lies 70% chance incompotence (approximately).

[NYNeutronStars]

for those looking for something to do come over to the nwn2 forums

 

all you need to post is rideable horses and z-axis

 

some people have killed much more time than two months with those two

[Topaz Quasar]

It was released later than the XBox version.  Which indicates one group of customer is more important than the other.

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And how exactly did that ruin the GAMEPLAY of KOTOR?

 

It sure didn't ruin it for me.......

[GhostofAnakin]

It was released later than the XBox version.  Which indicates one group of customer is more important than the other.

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And how exactly did that ruin the GAMEPLAY of KOTOR?

 

It sure didn't ruin it for me.......

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Did i say it ruined gameplay? If you're going to debate with me, then don't quote things I never said.

 

I said it showed FAVORITISM and DECEPTIVE ADVERTISING. Never did I say it ruined gameplay.

[ShinIchiro]

It was released later than the XBox version.  Which indicates one group of customer is more important than the other.

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And how exactly did that ruin the GAMEPLAY of KOTOR?

 

It sure didn't ruin it for me.......

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I didn't say anything about gameplay and I don't think Ghost did either. Man, stop putting words into peoples mouths...

[Topaz Quasar]

So if it didn't ruin gameplay, what the hell is your problem?

 

You people need to get your priorities straight.....don't play games if you're going to get frustrated because you feel a game publisher is "playing favorites."

 

And if you still don't see my point, please see a counseler/therapist/psychatrist.

[ShinIchiro]

Wow, first he accuses us of things we never said, then he shows that he never read what we wrote!

[GhostofAnakin]

So if it didn't ruin gameplay, what the hell is your problem?

 

You people need to get your priorities straight.....don't play games if you're going to get frustrated becae you feel a game publisher is "playing favorites."

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I'm curious what your problem is.

 

But to answer, MANY people have said it time and again, but you keep ignoring it to go back to "it's only 2 months! get a life!".

 

FALSE ADVERTISING. I figure capital letters would make that obvious.

 

And again, if you say "no big deal", I'd like to invite you to one of my staff meetings at work and have you say that to my boss when we screw up as bad as LucasArts did.

[Topaz Quasar]

Then don't buy the game and stop coming to the site!

 

And it isn't false advertising. The PC version is still coming out in Feburary like they planned. If you're going to buy the X-Box version why does the fact it's coming out first truly matter?

[GhostofAnakin]

Then don't buy the game and stop coming to the site!

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Yes, because I don't want to play a game that I've been waiting for since it was first announced.

 

Worst response you've ever come up with.

[nightcleaver]

His problem is that he doesn't agree with you.

 

But, I wanted to say: LA couldn't have been lying all along. It doesn't make any sense to make people like the game by saying, "simultaneous release," because in the end, if it's a lie and there isn't a simultaneous release, people will be pissed. I think it's pretty obvious people cared about simultaneous release not just in theory but in actuality.

 

Then again, this IS getting publicity. It's going a little overboard, I think, to say they were doing this all along just to get publicity, because bad publicity is WORSE than all the good publicity they were getting in the first place. They have plenty to work from on the positive, so there's no reason to go to the negative.

[Topaz Quasar]

Then don't buy the game and stop coming to the site!

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Yes, because I don't want to play a game that I've been waiting for since it was first announced.

 

Worst response you've ever come up with.

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If you really want to play the game, what difference does LucasArts marketing make if you're going to buy and play it anyway?

[GhostofAnakin]

Then don't buy the game and stop coming to the site!

 

And it isn't false advertising. The PC version is still coming out in Feburary like they planned. If you're going to buy the X-Box version why does the fact it's coming out first truly matter?

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Actually, it's the definition of false advertising. When you go out of your way to advertise the simultaneous release in magazines, interviews, and trailers, which are by definition ADVERTISING, and then suddenly without notice change a significant item in that it becomes FALSE.

[Adria Teksuni]

Locking the thread as it has devolved into a shouting match with the same things being said over and over again.