The It Sucks Thread

[Craftsman]

Numbers aside why cant they jsut shevle the xbox version for now?

[Atomic Space Vixen]

America's population is about 300 million taking into account mormonism, if each houshold has an xbox owner your looking at 50-60 million people who actually own and play an xbox.  I could be wrong, of course, but its only common sense.  The world's population is over 3b, yes, in fact its over 6 billion (before you tell ME to get MY facts straight) Around half of them probably own an xbox, again, I could be wrong, but the point was that u get the idea right? there are, in fact, other places in the world than America, and that America isn't even the world's largest country, therefore giving KOTOR2 early to a small percentage is unfair on the rest of us.

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There is nowhere near 50 million XBoxes in the US. Maybe worldwide, so you're actually hurting your argument by estimating so high.

[Salsabettis]

Ah ah ah, US xbox consumers.  Roughly 50m/2-3billion.  Now what's unfair?

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I've very curious what the heck these numbers you're quoting are. I can't think of anything that comes anywhere near these (except the population of the planet, which is greater than 3 billion).

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America's population is about 300 million taking into account mormonism, if each houshold has an xbox owner your looking at 50-60 million people who actually own and play an xbox. I could be wrong, of course, but its only common sense. The world's population is over 3b, yes, in fact its over 6 billion (before you tell ME to get MY facts straight) Around half of them probably own an xbox, again, I could be wrong, but the point was that u get the idea right? there are, in fact, other places in the world than America, and that America isn't even the world's largest country, therefore giving KOTOR2 early to a small percentage is unfair on the rest of us.

 

Darth Sirius, i couldn't agree with you more.

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But, if you were selling a product and wanted to make the most amount of money possible, but were only able to sell it in one country where would you release it?

 

The US gives LA the most potential to earn money, so that is most likely why LA will release it there first.

 

Craftsman: Shelving the Xbox version would have a huge opportunity cost. As has been stated before in this thread, game sales in the holiday season are extremely high and it would be wise for LA to take advantage of that.

 

From a business point of view, the seperate release is a great idea, but from a PC gamer's point of view, it sucks. We will just have to deal with it.

[Darth Somethingorother]

America's population is about 300 million taking into account mormonism, if each houshold has an xbox owner your looking at 50-60 million people who actually own and play an xbox.  I could be wrong, of course, but its only common sense.  The world's population is over 3b, yes, in fact its over 6 billion (before you tell ME to get MY facts straight) Around half of them probably own an xbox, again, I could be wrong, but the point was that u get the idea right? there are, in fact, other places in the world than America, and that America isn't even the world's largest country, therefore giving KOTOR2 early to a small percentage is unfair on the rest of us.

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There is nowhere near 50 million XBoxes in the US. Maybe worldwide, so you're actually hurting your argument by estimating so high.

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Not exactly helping your by saying that either are ya?

 

P.S. I'd sell it in India, as they have at least the second largest population in the world, and also plenty of them own PC's (india's not as poor as a lot of people seem to think) Anyway, lucasarts don't lose money by holding it until February, just their Xmas sale figures. All it is is companies doing the company equivalent of "my ****'* bigger than yours.

[GhostofAnakin]

America's population is about 300 million taking into account mormonism, if each houshold has an xbox owner your looking at 50-60 million people who actually own and play an xbox.  I could be wrong, of course, but its only common sense.  The world's population is over 3b, yes, in fact its over 6 billion (before you tell ME to get MY facts straight) Around half of them probably own an xbox, again, I could be wrong, but the point was that u get the idea right? there are, in fact, other places in the world than America, and that America isn't even the world's largest country, therefore giving KOTOR2 early to a small percentage is unfair on the rest of us.

 

Darth Sirius, i couldn't agree with you more.

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Wait, wait, wait. If I'm misreading what you wrote, then I'll apologize right now.

 

But did you just say that probably HALF of the world's population owns an XBox? Do you realize that probably close to 70% of the world's population lives BELOW the poverty line, meaning that they probably don't even make enough money in a YEAR to buy an XBox.

 

I know it has very little to do with the topic, but your estimate of half of the world's population owning an Xbox is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off.

 

But if that's not what you meant, then ignore this post.

[Atomic Space Vixen]

Numbers aside why cant they jsut shevle the xbox version for now?

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Because as a business that would be a stupid thing for them to do. The number of games that will be sold isn't set in stone. By releasing it for Christmas, you get the consumer that are buying gifts for people they know have an XBox and want to get them the latest release.

[Darth Somethingorother]

America's population is about 300 million taking into account mormonism, if each houshold has an xbox owner your looking at 50-60 million people who actually own and play an xbox.  I could be wrong, of course, but its only common sense.  The world's population is over 3b, yes, in fact its over 6 billion (before you tell ME to get MY facts straight) Around half of them probably own an xbox, again, I could be wrong, but the point was that u get the idea right? there are, in fact, other places in the world than America, and that America isn't even the world's largest country, therefore giving KOTOR2 early to a small percentage is unfair on the rest of us.

 

Darth Sirius, i couldn't agree with you more.

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Wait, wait, wait. If I'm misreading what you wrote, then I'll apologize right now.

 

But did you just say that probably HALF of the world's population owns an XBox? Do you realize that probably close to 70% of the world's population lives BELOW the poverty line, meaning that they probably don't even make enough money in a YEAR to buy an XBox.

 

I know it has very little to do with the topic, but your estimate of half of the world's population owning an Xbox is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off.

 

But if that's not what you meant, then ignore this post.

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Fine, but w're still talking billions, not just millions, and theres a big difference, especially considering my billions are a million millions, not the US thousand millions. And, define, "below the poverty line". My cousin is "below the poverty line", but he still has an xbox.

[Atomic Space Vixen]

Fine, but w're still talking billions, not just millions, and theres a big difference, especially considering my billions are a million millions, not the US thousand millions

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The number I've been able to find as of the end of 2003 was 13.7 million XBoxes worldwide, 8.6 million in North America.

[Child of Flame]

North American Billy Gates Box Sales from the last two fiscal years: 16.3

 

Billy Gates Box Sales everywhere else (Asia-Pacific, Europe) from the last two fiscal years: 8.6

 

 

Not sure what the sales earlier than that were as they were harder to find; plus they didn't really sell much anywhere but the US anyway. I'd say the majority of Billy Gates Box owners are Stateside. <_<

 

2003 fiscal year sales were taken from HERE.

 

2004 fiscal year sales were taken from HERE.

 

 

<Edit> Oh, just so you know ASV, corporations operate on fiscal years so as not to end their estimations before the end of the winter season. The end of a fiscal year is July. </Edit>

[GhostofAnakin]

Fine, but w're still talking billions, not just millions, and theres a big difference, especially considering my billions are a million millions, not the US thousand millions

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The number I've been able to find as of the end of 2003 was 13.7 million XBoxes worldwide, 8.6 million in North America.

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That looks a lot more accurate than half the world's population.

 

I know it's a small sample size, but just among my friends, who are all pretty well off and can afford gaming systems, only 2 of them (out of about 20 who i talk to regularly) own an XBox. And that's among a sample size that can afford a gaming system without sacrificing food, rent, etc. to buy one.

[Darth Sirius]

North American Billy Gates Box Sales from the last two fiscal years:  16.3

 

Billy Gates Box Sales everywhere else (Asia-Pacific, Europe) from the last two fiscal years:  8.6

 

 

Not sure what the sales earlier than that were as they were harder to find; plus they didn't really sell much anywhere but the US anyway.  I'd say the majority of Billy Gates Box owners are Stateside.  <_<

 

2003 fiscal year sales were taken from HERE. 

 

2004 fiscal year sales were taken from HERE.

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Believe me its getting cooler and the number of XBOX's are increasing, you mark my words

 

In England anyway

[Salsabettis]

That looks a lot more accurate than half the world's population. 

 

I know it's a small sample size, but just among my friends, who are all pretty well off and can afford gaming systems, only 2 of them (out of about 20 who i talk to regularly) own an XBox.  And that's among a sample size that can afford a gaming system without sacrificing food, rent, etc. to buy one.

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I know it isn't really relevant, but do the ones that don't have an X-Box have a PS2 or Gamecube instead?

[Darth Somethingorother]

Fine, but w're still talking billions, not just millions, and theres a big difference, especially considering my billions are a million millions, not the US thousand millions

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The number I've been able to find as of the end of 2003 was 13.7 million XBoxes worldwide, 8.6 million in North America.

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Great, now add that to all the pc users worldwide. I'll admit I got it badly wrong, it's v. late where i am, but it's not just xbox users. The fact remains that US xbox owners are a tiny percentage of the target demographic, and so it is patently unfair of LA to favour them like that, k?

[GhostofAnakin]

That looks a lot more accurate than half the world's population. 

 

I know it's a small sample size, but just among my friends, who are all pretty well off and can afford gaming systems, only 2 of them (out of about 20 who i talk to regularly) own an XBox.  And that's among a sample size that can afford a gaming system without sacrificing food, rent, etc. to buy one.

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I know it isn't really relevant, but do the ones that don't have an X-Box have a PS2 or Gamecube instead?

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Of the remaining 18 that I was referring to, I think 2 of them have a PS2. None of my friends own a GC.

 

On the other hand, ALL 20 own a PC.

[Salsabettis]

And I bet all of them are able to play games too. Like Dark was saying, there are way more people worldwide that have PC's that can play this game

[Darth Somethingorother]

there ya go then.

[Darth Nole]

Man! Im starting to wonder if there are any Xbox owners in these threads besides me. Everybodys all pissed off. I mean I understand, I was going to get it for PC but now that it is coming out for xbox a whole 2 months earlier. I JUST CANT WAIT 2 EXTRA MONTHS while its just sitting on the shelf. But i am really mad.

[GhostofAnakin]

And I bet all of them are able to play games too.  Like Dark was saying, there are way more people worldwide that have PC's that can play this game

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I agree.

 

Although I think the difference may be that the XBox version sells for, what, close to $80 per game? PC versions can be had for $49.99.

[Salsabettis]

And I bet all of them are able to play games too.  Like Dark was saying, there are way more people worldwide that have PC's that can play this game

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I agree.

 

Although I think the difference may be that the XBox version sells for, what, close to $80 per game? PC versions can be had for $49.99.

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I think the X-Box price is the same. I am not 100% sure though.

[Darth Nole]

And I bet all of them are able to play games too.  Like Dark was saying, there are way more people worldwide that have PC's that can play this game

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I agree.

 

Although I think the difference may be that the XBox version sells for, what, close to $80 per game? PC versions can be had for $49.99.

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80$!!! What in the World are you talking about? its like 50$ for xbox.

[Child of Flame]

A good way to figure out how many PC owners worldwide would be able to play this game would be to look up the statistics for the Nvidia/ATI graphics card owners that are the minimum sys requirements for KotOR.

 

 

<Edit> I just looked at my box, the minimum requirement are actually pretty low. I can almost guarantee you that there's more PC owners worldwide with these specs than Billy Gates Box owners, but it's probably close. For those who're curious:

 

System: 1 GHz CPU or equivalent

RAM:128 MB RAM

CD-ROM: 4X CD-ROM

Video Memory: 32 MB VRAM

Hard Drive Space: 4000 MB

DirectX: DirectX v9.0

 

The fact of the matter is, Billy paid Lucasarts alot to break their word. <_< </Edit>

[Darth Somethingorother]

And I bet all of them are able to play games too.  Like Dark was saying, there are way more people worldwide that have PC's that can play this game

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I agree.

 

Although I think the difference may be that the XBox version sells for, what, close to $80 per game? PC versions can be had for $49.99.

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80$!!! What in the World are you talking about? its like 50$ for xbox.

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It was certainly more expensive for the Xbox in GB than it was for the PC.

[Stargate: 2000]

America's population is about 300 million taking into account mormonism, if each houshold has an xbox owner your looking at 50-60 million people who actually own and play an xbox.  I could be wrong, of course, but its only common sense.  The world's population is over 3b, yes, in fact its over 6 billion (before you tell ME to get MY facts straight) Around half of them probably own an xbox, again, I could be wrong, but the point was that u get the idea right? there are, in fact, other places in the world than America, and that America isn't even the world's largest country, therefore giving KOTOR2 early to a small percentage is unfair on the rest of us.

 

Fine, but w're still talking billions, not just millions, and theres a big difference, especially considering my billions are a million millions, not the US thousand millions.  And, define, "below the poverty line".  My cousin is "below the poverty line", but he still has an xbox.

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a million millions is 1,000,000,000,000 or in other words thats 1 trillion not 1 billion or 1,000,000,000. I have to ask where where did you learn that 1 trillion = 1 billion? in the first arguement you state that the world population is "6 billion" by your standard of measure that would equal 6 trillion? I know this has no relevance to the given topic but I just had to ask and by no means to I mean to offend or sounds like an arse I just had to ask because it was bugging me. As for below the poverty line that would consit of someone making less than I think $10,000.00 US or $20,000.00 Euro/CAN if I am not misstaken though I could be wrong someone from the states might be able to give the proper info for the US.

 

Now on topic: Good work on finding that info on the number of Xbox owners in both the world and US, Servant of Eru and Atomic Space Vixen. I came up with one thought as to why LA might have held back the PC version till Feb (saying they are going to release the international version at the same time), because they figured it would severly limit the ammount of loss they would incure do to P2P file transfer and ilegal coping. The way I figure it is they thought that if they released the PC version to the US and then had to wait till feb to release the internation version that most people who have the internet would just download it in order to avoid the wait. I know that alot of games now come with anti-copy protection built in but with the proper knowledge it can be easily usurped. Thus in their eyes it would make more sense to release the game on the Xbox and maybe risk loosing some sales rather than releasing the game on both platforms and risk loosing a greater number of sales from people either obtaining the game iligaly through pirating or purchase in the US and Canada.As far as I know there isn't a way to copy a Xbox game and make it work on another xbox or PC though once agian I could be wrong on that.

[Child of Flame]

a million millions is 1,000,000,000,000 or in other words thats 1 trillion not 1 billion or 1,000,000,000. I have to ask where where did you learn that 1 trillion = 1 billion? in the first arguement you state that the world population is "6 billion" by your standard of measure that would equal 6 trillion? I know this has no relevance to the given topic but I just had to ask and by no means to I mean to offend or sounds like an arse I just had to ask because it was bugging me. As for below the poverty line that would consit of someone making less than I think $10,000.00 US  or $20,000.00 Euro/CAN if I am not misstaken though I could be wrong someone from the states might be able to give the proper info for the US.

 

Now on topic: Good work on finding that info on the number of Xbox owners in both the world and US, Servant of Eru and Atomic Space Vixen. I came up with one thought as to why LA might have held back the PC version till Feb (saying they are going to release the international version at the same time), because they figured it would severly limit the ammount of loss they would incure do to P2P file transfer and ilegal coping. The way I figure it is they thought that if they released the PC version to the US and then had to wait till feb to release the internation version that most people who have the internet would just download it in order to avoid the wait. I know that alot of games now come with anti-copy protection built in but with the proper knowledge it can be easily usurped. Thus in their eyes it would make more sense to release the game on the Xbox and maybe risk loosing some sales rather than releasing the game on both platforms and risk loosing a greater number of sales from people either obtaining the game iligaly through pirating or purchase in the US and Canada.As far as I know there isn't a way to copy a Xbox game and make it work on another xbox or PC though once agian I could be wrong on that.

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This is total BS. As I stated earlier:

 

A good way to figure out how many PC owners worldwide would be able to play this game would be to look up the statistics for the Nvidia/ATI graphics card owners that are the minimum sys requirements for KotOR. 

 

 

<Edit>  I just looked at my box, the minimum requirement are actually pretty low.  I can almost guarantee you that there's more PC owners worldwide with these specs than Billy Gates Box owners, but it's probably close.  For those who're curious: 

 

System: 1 GHz CPU or equivalent

RAM:128 MB RAM

CD-ROM: 4X CD-ROM

Video Memory: 32 MB VRAM

Hard Drive Space: 4000 MB

DirectX: DirectX v9.0 

 

The fact of the matter is, Billy paid Lucasarts alot to break their word.  <_<  </Edit>

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And to the uninitiated, there is a way to play an X-Box game on a PC as well as pirate it. For playing it on a PC, just like all other consoles, it's called EMULATION, and they sell modchips by the dozens for X-Box, as well as having tons of websites where people can send their Boxes in to have them installed. I've said it before, and I'll say it again.....Billy has fat wads of cash, and can make almost anyone, do anything for him with the right amount. <_<

[Stargate: 2000]

And I bet all of them are able to play games too.  Like Dark was saying, there are way more people worldwide that have PC's that can play this game

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I agree.

 

Although I think the difference may be that the XBox version sells for, what, close to $80 per game? PC versions can be had for $49.99.

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That sounds alot like the canadian prices, am I right? Because when I went to pre order TSL the $80 price tag was what I was told (after taxes of course), and the $49.99 is what I was also told for the PC version. Both prices are from my local EB games.