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Cardcaptor Sakura, Clear Card, Episode "0": Prologue

Yeah, so... that looks soooo terrible compared to the original.

Kero still plays on the same console, but delivery people are running around with tablet computers. Why the partial tech up? Sheesh.

The prologue is an extended version of the last couple of minutes from the last episode of the original anime, except the continuity is all wrong. Yay. Well... not sure at all.

Did I mention how terrible this looks?

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  On 6/1/2021 at 2:58 PM, majestic said:

Kero still plays on the same console, but delivery people are running around with tablet computers. Why the partial tech up? Sheesh.

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why do animes do this every time they come back from the dead; will children not be able to empathize with characters if they don't recognize THINGS?

elsa and anna didn't have cellphones in Frozen, but that didn't seem to be an issue for Disney making a gazillion dollars on it

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  On 6/1/2021 at 3:09 PM, Bartimaeus said:

why do animes do this every time they come back from the dead; will children not be able to empathize with characters if they don't recognize THINGS?

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Might be interesting to see if it was like that in the manga too.

Tomoyo also still has an old camcorder, but from what I read you can still buy Tomoyo merchandise in Japan, and that includes modern camcorders in old school designs. So that at least... has a meta explanation. :p

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Why must you look so bad? WHY?

The old animation conveyed a warm feeling and beauty that fit the show perfectly, while this is clear, clean and sterile in a way that is distracting from what made the show great.

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Not going to lie, I never really saw the appeal of camcorders until this show bashed my brains in with Tomoyo eternally and adoringly smiling from behind one...

Modern anime art is in such a sad state, :(.

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In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.

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  On 6/1/2021 at 8:49 PM, Bartimaeus said:

Not going to lie, I never really saw the appeal of camcorders until this show bashed my brains in with Tomoyo eternally and adoringly smiling from behind one...

Modern anime art is in such a sad state, :(.

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Oh, Sakura-chan, kawaii!

Hooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Today I learned that Xiaolang is apparently really the official Chinese name for Shaoran, and the reason why some material spells him Syaoran is because that's the appropriate Romaji in a different system, while most of Japanese is romanized with the Hepburn system. It would be Shaoran in Hepburn.

Not that any of that matters. If Xiaolang is written in Pinyin, and  that's what we have to assume, everyone on the show, including his Chinese-native cousin can't pronounce the name right. Makes sense for the Japanese girls obviously, but not really for Wei or Meilin/Meiling/Meirin... but hey... in Sailor Moon, Mamoru's gentleman friend from England introduced himself by saying HERRO too, so that's... par for the course. :p

As if the show wasn't confusing enough already with its two separate English dubs, changed names and an additional, mangled US release.

I also tried to find out what Sakura's trademark "Hoe!" is supposed to mean, but came up short. It's some sort of Japanese something, probably like "Oy!", for which you wouldn't find a proper translation either.

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I got 30 seconds into episode 30 some hours ago, then had to pause and haven't yet been able to resume. Does that count for anything? :)

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If I'm thinking of the correct sound, that "hoee" reminds me a lot of the same sound that a few different characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker make whenever they're shouting out a greeting.

I don't really mind Xiaolong vs. Shaoran either way, but my preferred subtitles use "Xiaolong", so that's kind of what I think of him as. Although I sometimes try to follow the actual sounds of what characters say out-loud, and I swear the way Meiling says his name is different from the way Sakura et al. say his name...but I might be imagining it. Speaking of my subtitles, I've also noted for a while that they seem to cut out a lot of superfluous words compared to the fan-subs I checked out, which only contributes to me preferring them. It's not entirely faithful, but there have been many times where I can literally hear characters referring to each other by name, and my subtitles will make no note of it at all, instead going for a more concise and more natural re-writing of whatever they were trying to say. I'm okay with that - the comparisons I've done with the fan-subs were painful, and didn't seem to contribute any additional understanding, humor, or enjoyment from being too literal (in fact, quite the opposite). ...But it is a little odd at times for what I am understanding that I am hearing to not be reflected in what I am reading.

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I found out that there is a 2 season anime of Berserk that continues after the 3 egg movies. So I binge watched the first season yesterday, and ...

... I think the animation style is bad. Everything looks so ugh. I already had some troubles with the 3 movies before, but compared to this now... even bigger decline. Still, I soldiered on and went through it. Liked how heavy Guts' sword felt, and the metal plonks, etc. Generally it was not bad, but then I thought the middle part is way too long and nothing of importance is ever happening, which in hindsight I find really boring.

Now I'm not sure what to think of it. I like it, but also I never want to ever watch it again, because there's boredom creeping out of every corner. Guess.. in the end, the only reason why I made it through season 1 is because I thought something epic will happen "any minute now" ... I'm starting season 2 now ... for exactly the same reason.

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  On 6/1/2021 at 11:30 PM, Bartimaeus said:

I got 30 seconds into episode 30 some hours ago, then had to pause and haven't yet been able to resume. Does that count for anything? :)

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  On 6/1/2021 at 11:30 PM, Bartimaeus said:

If I'm thinking of the correct sound, that "hoee" reminds me a lot of the same sound that a few different characters in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker make whenever they're shouting out a greeting.

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Maybe, I don't know. It's hard to find anything online other than "That's Sakura's catchphrase, except when she's flustered, then it becomes hanyan!", and hanyan is apparently Chinese for being flustered (well, or blush with shame), so that makes even less sense, unless that's something Japanese girls did in the late nineties.

Speaking of Zelda... did you know that Mami Tomoe from Madoka was voiced by Navi the annoying fairy from Ocarina of Time? :p

  On 6/1/2021 at 11:30 PM, Bartimaeus said:

I don't really mind Xiaolong vs. Shaoran either way, but my preferred subtitles use "Xiaolong", so that's kind of what I think of him as. Although I sometimes try to follow the actual sounds of what characters say out-loud, and I swear the way Meiling says his name is different from the way Sakura et al. say his name...but I might be imagining it.

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Possibly, Shaoran is also the only one who occassionally says "Meirin" with a very soft r sound, while everyone else, most notably Sakura, says that name with an audible "l" in the middle. At least, I think. I only recently upgraded my understanding of spoken Japanese from everything being one weird wall of grunts to being able to recognize voice actors and actual words used. Recently meaning while rewatching Sailor Moon.

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Speaking of my subtitles, I've also noted for a while that they seem to cut out a lot of superfluous words compared to the fan-subs I checked out, which only contributes to me preferring them. It's not entirely faithful, but there have been many times where I can literally hear characters referring to each other by name, and my subtitles will make no note of it at all, instead going for a more concise and more natural re-writing of whatever they were trying to say. I'm okay with that - the comparisons I've done with the fan-subs were painful, and didn't seem to contribute any additional understanding, humor, or enjoyment from being too literal (in fact, quite the opposite). ...But it is a little odd at times for what I am understanding that I am hearing to not be reflected in what I am reading.

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Welcome to the wonderful world of very literal fan-subs and localized professsional subs, which is another angle of the subs vs. dubs debate that you don't really ever want to get into. Because even though rabid fans of anime will run you through for even thinking about watching dubbed anime, they can't agree among themselves how subtitles should be handled.

The most moronic thing about the literal vs. localized translation discussion is when it comes to common phrases. Nobody who writes fan subs would translate "ohayo" literally, right? Becase that's just good morning. It doesn't literally mean good morning. It means "it is early!" but it is used in the same way we say good morning, much like kon'nichiwa and konbanwa, which means "this day" and "this evening" respectively.

Yet the literal subs people object to having words and names dropped, and certain things properly localized. I don't get it. Except for puns, perhaps. There's no good way to deal with puns most of the time. The writers for Minako did an amazing job with the Viz dub though. :)

But yes, the Netflix subtitles for Cardcaptor Sakura also feature long bouts of words that don't appear on the screen, and lots of names that aren't reflected. It's not necessary, in the end. Japanese is so different from our indo-germanic grammar structure that it makes no sense to translate and use every word.

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  On 6/2/2021 at 8:09 AM, majestic said:

Are you far enough along in Yu Yu Hakusho yet where it trurns into a martial arts tournament anime? Because that's what KP complained about, I've never watched it.

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Just finished the first season, and it didn't have any tournament stuff, although honestly, even though that's true, the last ten episodes or so were just villain after villain after villain, :facepalm:.@KP the meanie zucchini Are seasons after 1 really just all tournament crap?

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  On 6/2/2021 at 8:09 AM, majestic said:

Speaking of Zelda... did you know that Mami Tomoe from Madoka was voiced by Navi the annoying fairy from Ocarina of Time?

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Don't you be bad-mouthing Navi! If you'd ever played Skyward Sword, you would know how lucky we got with Navi compared to the abomination that is Fi! Speaking of Mami, the name "Mami" is extremely unfortunate when speaking in English - it's very uncomfortable to be hearing characters saying "mommy" to refer to her, :p.

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  On 6/2/2021 at 9:47 AM, Bartimaeus said:

Are seasons after 1 really just all tournament crap?

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No, there's a fairly long break dealing with apocalyptic psychics after The Dark Tournament ends but then there's a tournament arc after that to finish the show. DT is really long, by my count it takes up like a third of the series.

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Don't you be bad-mouthing Navi! If you'd ever played Skyward Sword, you would know how lucky we got with Navi compared to the abomination that is Fi! Speaking of Mami, the name "Mami" is extremely unfortunate when speaking in English - it's very uncomfortable to be hearing characters saying "mommy" to refer to her, :p.

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There is a chance that I'll get to play Skyward Sword eventually, there'll be a Switch remake, or maybe there is already, I haven't really paid much attention. I've been mostly watching TV when I wasn't working recently.

Mami's name is probably a reference to her, uhm, mammaries. Although that would imply fanservice where there barely is any. The film version has even less than the BR version (Homura's transformation sequence is different, and Madoka and Homura don't float around in space wearing only sparkles). Because otherwise she was the older sister / mentor archetype for the others, but not really the mother of the group. Hm.

But when in doubt, blame English. How's your average Japanese person to know that Mami and mommy will sound almost the same in English. Those are different letters, for crying out loud. :p

 

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  On 6/2/2021 at 12:00 PM, majestic said:

There is a chance that I'll get to play Skyward Sword eventually, there'll be a Switch remake, or maybe there is already, I haven't really paid much attention. I've been mostly watching TV when I wasn't working recently.

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Hope it plays a lot better than the Wii version. Got through the first dungeon and said "welp I'm never playing that ever again". Terrible controls, terrible puzzles, terrible characters, terrible aesthetic, terrible game. ...Although if gameplay had been good, I probably would've learned to like the characters and aesthetic more.

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Although that would imply fanservice where there barely is any.

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The number of times I was grossed out by inexplicable close-up chest and crotch shots of our main characters (often while they were in the middle of trying to talk!) in that show says otherwise...but I guess I haven't watched enough (well, basically any) modern anime to see how they compare. I just really have no patience for such nonsense, :no:.

Speaking of, in one the last episodes of S1 of Yu Yu Hakusho...

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lmao, sort of, but uh, trust me, Rei's grandpa is *way* more likable than...whatever his name is. I watched the entire first season of this show, which is like 10 hours, over the past few weeks, and I don't know the main character's name. I know the other guy's name, Kuwabara, but not the main character. YUSUKE, I had to look it up, and it's kind of shocking I forgot given that it's said literally like a thousand times over the course of the first season. Anyways, yeah, Rei's grandpa would've been a way better protagonist, since at least he's not so terribly whiny and angsty literally 99.9% of the time like Yusuke is...buuut it would've necessitated that the show be less serious and more funny, which, hey, it could've benefited from as well, :p.

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If you're at the end of s1, you should be at the DT arc now. Have fun watching sunglasses gym god be edgy for several hours and remember you could be watching JOJO instead.

 

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Trust me, it's not my first choice by any means - I'm just doing my best to tolerate it and appreciate the funnier bits, of which there were increasingly less as the season went on. I wonder if I would like the Ranma show a little more, at least for shonen...

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CCS, episode 30:

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Your numberings gone a-wrong, that be 31.

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It seems so! And yes, knowing that she has the power to crush him like a little ant should help moderate her feelings. Maybe, :).

Episode 31 and 32, more great episodes.

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It seems so! And yes, knowing that she has the power to crush him like a little ant should help moderate her feelings. Maybe, :).

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Yeah, maybe. Heh.

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Speaking of that dialogue between Sakura and Shaoran, the old animation made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Clear Card... nope. I feel nothing. This is worse than being rejected by someone you, to use show appropriate terms, you "really like", that's more like a "yeah I really liked you, but now you're dead to me!" kind of feeling. Which is horrible! :(

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Between writing a story and watching AoT before sleep, I had a really weird dream in anime styles about an asylum with monsters roaming around. Still more normal than JoJo, so more anime before sleep is needed I guess.

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Cardcaptor Sakura, Clear Card, episode 1.

Not really any real spoilers:

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There are major continuity problems between the prologue episode and a flashback in this first one. I'm... not sure what the point of that was. I'm giving the show the benefit of the doubt here and say that was intentional. I wonder what's going on... I mean, I hope it's something, not just an oversight.

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Kero also has a new console all of a sudden. I mean, Sakura does, I guess. That's definitely a Dual Shock style controller now. What?

  On 6/2/2021 at 11:10 PM, KP the meanie zucchini said:

Between writing a story and watching AoT before sleep, I had a really weird dream in anime styles about an asylum with monsters roaming around. Still more normal than JoJo, so more anime before sleep is needed I guess.

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I sometimes dream of forumites, and they look like their avatars. I might also have had the occasional Sailor Moon themed dream recently. I also definitely had a hybrid Dr. Strange / Agents of SHIELD dream once at the same time when I played Tides of Numenera. That was weird. Buildings kept falling apart, dimensional portals threw cars around and the world folded in on itself, while I was desperately trying to figure out what was going on, together with Fitz-Simmons. :p

Yeah. Weird, weird.

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Between writing a story and watching AoT before sleep, I had a really weird dream in anime styles about an asylum with monsters roaming around. Still more normal than JoJo, so more anime before sleep is needed I guess.

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I'm jealous. I usually have only a handful of dreams annually, and they're almost always super weak (outside of exactly one lucid dream that felt more vivid and real than actual real life). I can only assume the fact that I suffer from moderate aphantasia has something to do with my lack of dreams. It's especially terrible because I love the few dreams that I have, even nightmares.

  On 6/2/2021 at 10:32 PM, majestic said:

Speaking of that dialogue between Sakura and Shaoran, the old animation made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Clear Card... nope. I feel nothing. This is worse than being rejected by someone you, to use show appropriate terms, you "really like", that's more like a "yeah I really liked you, but now you're dead to me!" kind of feeling. Which is horrible!

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I always say that objectively speaking, aesthetic shouldn't impact how writing, dialogue, and characters are conveyed and one's reactions towards them...but for some reason, it does.

Hope Clear Card doesn't end up being completely terrible like Sailor Moon Crystal, :).

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Sounds frightening.

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I'm jealous. I usually have only a handful of dreams annually, and they're almost always super weak. I can only assume the fact that I suffer from moderate aphantasia has something to do with my lack of dreams. It's especially terrible because I love the few dreams that I have, even nightmares.

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I'm not sure what aphantasia is tbh. Like I can't literally see images in my mind, but I have no real issues conjuring up a workable description based on past experiences or imagination, even if I can't see it. Weird.

My dreams come and go, I don't remember them most of the time but frequently wake up panicked or in the mood to **** someone up. The ones I do remember are usually very weird but grounded in reality, like playing Super Smash Bros with a gang in an abandoned football field with a pool turned fishpond in the middle.

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