Master Veq-Riin

in order of appearance... FAVORITES T3-M4 I love this little guy. What can I say? I love R2-D2, and although T3 was developed later, he seamlessly anticipates Artoo's character. It's great that he has his own mission on Nar Shadaa that makes a difference in the plot, and the fact that he comes up with the idea on his own. Besides, in the Prologue, he's the hero! Also, it's hilarious when T3 laughs at Atton after he asks Bao-Dur not to laugh before asking Bao-Dur's opinion about his chances of hooking up with the exile. Kreia Despite her manipulation, I loved her at the end. She was the most complex character, able to see that LS and DS are part of a whole--one can't exist without the other; she also doesn't delude herself that being Force sensitive isn't necessarily better than being ordinary. She could only know all of this by having been both LS and DS, in addition to not having Force powers at all. Her resentment and revenge stem from her quest for truth--for others to be able to admit certain truisms (you can survive without Force powers) instead of maintaining their ignorant arrogance. She reminds me of the type of teacher/mentor that you hate while you're studying with them because they treat like you crap, but later on you realize they did it to prepare you for something even more difficult in your future and if necessary, to be able to accept your limitations. Atton I didn't like him the first time I played, but he grew on me the second time. His backstory is interesting and to me, surprising in its intensity and violence considering that he keeps up a nonchalant facade and is sometimes self-effacing about his abilities. However, if you play LS, he seems to jump on the LS Jedi bandwagon a little too quickly. I mean, he was a Sith assassin and hated Jedi during the Jedi Civil War, after all. Even though he left the Sith, it still seemed a little too easy to make him LS. Still, his comments are funny ("Does this mean you won't be putting us into force cages again?"). I admit that at first, he couldn't compare to Carth, but now I realize he's just different. Also, I was a little put-off by his forwardness when I first walked into the prison in my underwear, but I got over it. Why do the NPC women always get the good underwear? It isn't fair. Mira Her attitude was refreshing; I appreciate the bad-ass chick with the vulnerability inside. I didn't particularly like the wrist launcher, but she rocks with blaster pistols. Plus, I appreciated her thoughts regarding how it is that I manage to stay in shape and still look like I did in the old holorecordings. :D SO-SO Bao-Dur I loved Bao-Dur immediately, and I admit that his calling me "General," helped bolster my confidence. OK, and my ego. Also, his intelligence and technical skills are useful. Unfortunately, as the game moves on, his dialogue is limited and so he bored me. I do like his sardonic sense of humor, however, and I just think he looks cool. Visas She was helpful in providing information about her Master, and her backstory and species are interesting and contribute to the plot, but like Atton, it seemed too easy too persuade her to become LS. DISLIKES Disciple He's the guy whose knowledge and abilities you appreciate, but he fawns over you too much, using pathetic cliches to describe your strength and beauty. Definitely needs the "friendship" talk. G0-T0 Did he have a purpose other than to sabotage your attempt to trigger the mass shield generator on Malachor V? As for Goto the man, I couldn't figure out what he wanted. He says that either the Jedi or the Sith have to be united, but that he doesn't want the Sith to win because they...something about screwing up the galaxy? And what was the point of placing a bounty just so he could "command" you to save the Republic? Mandalore Just before meeting him the first time I played, I remember thinking that I missed Canderous. Unfortunately, he didn't have much of a role except to get you to Iziz. But his dry sense of humor that's especially funny because he believes he's being serious, shows how well-developed his character is. One of my favorite lines is when, just as you board the Ravager he growls, "I've been waiting ten years for this. It's time to do things the old-fashioned way!" HK-47 Maybe when I'm able to get him to reveal more, I'll like him better. I'm just so sick of his declaratories: "Statement: blah blah blah," "Query: blah blah blah?" And so on.

Another thing you can do is beat Gederi (sp? Duros guy) three times, Dahnis (Twi'lek female), and the Champ at pazaak. The Champ won't show up until you beat the other two. If Atton is with you, he'll "handle" Dahnis, so you won't actually have to play against her. Here's the important part that I was unable to do the second time--you have to fix the pazaak-playing droid before the Champ (who's a Chadra-Fan, the same species as the batlike creature near the entrance to the entertainment sector) will show up to challenge you. I didn't have enough Computer/Repair points to fix the droid, and I don't think it matters if Bao-Dur is with you. If you can't fix her, the Champ won't show up. Anyway, if you become a pazaak shark, the Exhange will definitely notice, and you won't have to pay the Chadra-Fan by the door 2,000 credits to talk to the Exchange.

Do you have points in Security? If not, have you tried bashing the locked doors in the final tomb open? It won't work for the door that you first enter through, but it should work for the other three. I don't know whether or not talking to Kreia repeatedly is a bug; both times I've played I've had to talk to her twice before being able to continue. I'm fairly certain that whether or not you stand by her only counts toward LS/DS points, not whether or not you'll be able to find your way out.

According to Kreia after you defeat her, the three Masters and Atris aren't the Lost Jedi. The Lost Jedi are Visas, Disciple or Handmaiden, and Atton. I'm not sure if Mira can become a Jedi; at least, I haven't been successful, and the same for Bao-Dur. I won't argue whether or not this makes sense--it's just what she tells you. I played as LS female, so I didn't get the cutscene with Bastila. Maybe Kreia has a different explanation if your PC is a male.

Answers, at last! I just finished playing a second time as LS, and I got a lot of options to ask Kreia about in the end: what will happen to your friends; who loved you, how, and why; what will happen to all the places you visited; about Remote; what will happen to Mandalore and the Mandalorians (with an allusion to Jango Fett); what will happen to the Republic; where Revan went; why she could never be with Carth; what she's searching for; who the Lost Jedi really are. It actually makes for a very satisfying ending. I'll post more details in my blog in the near future. (Link in my sig.)

Third time playing. After leaving Peragus, Atton asks what happened to your lightsaber. If you don't avoid the question, you can eventually tell him its color. Viridian and silver are options, but I'm not sure that cyan is. So this time around, I chose silver. When you confront Atris the first time and she ignites your old lightsaber, the color is silver. In the holorecording of your trial, your lightsaber is, again, silver. So maybe depending on the color you choose, that's what it will show in the cutscenes. When I bought the Jedi artifacts from Jorran, it contained a cyan crystal. I bought a second silver crystal from the Duros brothers (I think). And at this point (just arrived on Malachor) I have 4 silver crystals total. Unfortunately, I can't recall where I got the other 2. I also have an orange crystal that I found in a footlocker at the Academy, and a bronze crystal in a double-bladed lightsaber I found in the hidden tomb. On Onderon, I found a viridian crystal in the Royal Museum. All of these in one game, whereas the first time I played, I got the silver and viridian crystals from Sion.

I found a double-bladed lightsaber containing a bronze crystal in the hidden tomb on Korriban. I also had an orange crystal I found in a footlocker at the Academy. When I got back to the ship, I upgraded two single lightsabers so that one had the bronze and the other had the orange, and when they're in your hands, the colors are similar, except that the bronze is just the slightest bit lighter. Actually, the bronze isn't really a crystal because on the menu, it's shaped like a piece of metal.

They're in the prison. If you can't access it or the cells are empty, then there probably is something wrong. Even if you play DS, you should still be able to get to them because you need them for the rest of the game.

Is it possible you mean the dead salvagers' datapads you found in the sub-level? Of the three times I've played, Zherron was never found to be corrupt.

Hmm...one of the three doors should say "back to Shyrack Cave" or something like that.

The Yuuzhan Vong are the threat faced by the New Republic. However, this seems a little unlikely because the YV aren't revealed until thousands of years later. Who knows?

So then it is possible that the Sith teachings Revan studied on Malachor consisted of the Rakatans and the Star Forge, which is the conclusion of mine that you cite. It's also possible that Kreia wouldn't have known about this--why would Revan tell her? Regardless of where Revan learned of the Inifinite Empire and all its trappings, I'm still at a loss as to why Goto doesn't know about the Star Forge, which was where this was headed. Thanks for the info, btw! After a while, I skipped through the Rakatan history lessons in the first game. :D

The first time playing I got a silver and a viridian crystal off of Sion at the Academy. I'm playing for the second time now and got one silver from Jorran after rescuing him from the Enclave sub-level. I accidentally got him killed by laigreks the first time I played and only got the moisture vaporator thing. I have a second silver crystal, but I can't remember where I got it; I'm pretty sure it was from one of the Duros brothers.

So Kreia wasn't Revan's first Master? Considering how s/he turned out, and that the Council refused to blame the Masters' Jedi pedagogy as the reason why some of the Jedi fell during the time of the Mandalorian Wars, this is an important point. But probably not worth pursuing. Thanks for the info. But how did the Exile escape? On the Ravager, too? Or do I find out if I play DS? Also, was Nihilus a Republic soldier, or a Jedi?

Previous questions answered? unanswered? I took it that Carth/other admiral was wanting to keep you safe or put you under protection because of something they though Revan may be uncovering on the outer rim. It's possible they thought that you were the entire key for unraveling the mystery of what Revan may be up to. I guess they thought your ability to cut yourself off from the force was an ability they felt pertinent to unraveling the mystery of what this "shadow" force was all about. I took it that you were on your way to Telos when Sion attacked the Harbinger and then Kreia rescued you on the Ebon Hawk. I am still a little confused though on the whole Sion/Kreia angle and why they were at odds over you, but yet when they met on the Harbinger they seemed to be working together, or at least, not on extremely bad terms (even though he did chop her hand off). The Council was tight-lipped about your ability to sever yourself from the Force, so I don't think Carth could have known about this. Maybe you can clarify: the "shadow" force or "greater threat" that Revan perceived is Sion and Nihilus, right? Also, was this a pre- or post-Star Forge revelation on Revan's part? Because if it's post-Star Forge, wouldn't that presume that Revan was LS at the end of KotOR? Or does this have to do with Revan still "saving" the Republic even though s/he became a Sith? Either Kreia was working with Revan (or working with him on the surface but really had ulterior motives he/she wasn't aware of), or Revan simply ditched or lost the Ebon Hawk for some reason. Either way, I doubt Revan is dead. Obsidian obviously left the whole Revan angle open for part III. I was kidding. However, I don't think that Revan, especially a female Revan, would have just ditched the ship, considering how attached Carth is to it ("a little battered but it was still home"). But that isn't a surprise, is it, because Carth is so mushy and whiny. He doesn't say he is unfamiliar with them, he simply says he doesn't know a whole lot about them and has never heard of such a "strong" bond as you describe. Then again, all the masters said the same thing, so obviously Kreia has some knowledge they don't have due to her years of esoteric Jedi study. OK, but in both KotORs, Vrook strikes me as a big hypocrite. Why is he so secretive to Revan and the Exile? Does/Did he have an ultierior motive? Like killing the Exile in KotORII?