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It seems to me that Revan was the major player in KoTOR. He is the one who led the Republic against the Mandalorians, he is the one who led the Sith against the Jedi, he is the one who first either helped the Jedi defeat Malak for whatever reason you chose to have him do it, and last but not least he is the original... which always counts for something. Plus, now that he is the one who is alone fighting the real sith invasion, (maybe the exile is going to join him) he seems even more the powerful protaganist for good or evil.... So playing Revan would be nice, maybe not plausable, but nice. And for some of the major characters from the first game to return would also be nice. It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a problem, since they already made the assumption that Bastila was alive if you said Revan was LS Male. They could impliment different people depending on alignment and gender, similar in a way to KoTOR 2. I guess it would get pretty complicated in the end, but in my mind it would be worth it. Of course I wouldn't be the one doing the work. oh.... and Jolee was awesome.... I hope he comes back, at least for a cameo if not as a member of the party.

I actually think the second one had more. Mostly becaues of the enhanced work bench. I really liked messing around with my armor and lightsaber. I beat the first one more times than I can count, but I think I will end up beating the second one just as many. Even though I don't like it as much, all the extra features really make the second one worth the replay a little more. The story is slightly more replayable too with the different options of converting people to dark or light side, or the two different characters you can get for darkside and lightside, and for male or female.

Okay, well... I will comment on this one last time. You make some good points. And its left up to someones perspectives and morals as to wether this is what they think. I wasn't disagreeing that Revan wouldn't blow up planets at random. I think Sith in general are portrayed to be that way however, it is Star Wars after all... its based on the fight of good verses evil and its simplicity in that matter is what won it its original polularity. Anyways, people may think of it this way, or they may not.... lets look at Hitler, he thouht he was fit to rule the world... he killed and enslaved pretty much any one he thought he should and who got in the way. Was he fit to rule the world? I certainly don't think so... seems more kind of psychopathic to me. So thats the best explanation that I can come up with for why I thought Revan was consumed by the dark side in the end even though he was perhaps trying to keep the Republic strong, it was for his own purposes and certainly not for the good of the people like he would have first intended. Of course its left up for interpratation obviously. But, hearing Atton's story of Revan, I couldn't not think of Revan as an evil bloodthirsty villain before his mind swipe. Another reason I think Revan was consumed is when Kreia says that the jedi council merely showed Revan what he truly was (that is if you say he was LS). This made me think that he had intended for good, but got sidetracked in the dark side. And lastly, i am of course bias in all this, since I prefer playing as LS and can't believe that Revan was truly evil enough to try to conquer the Republic in such a fashion because he honestly thought that they were for the best, and then go around helping people and sacrificing himself for the good of others in Kotor 1. I really actually think its left up to if you say Revan is LS or DS after your explanation, they are clearly two different people. I would agree with your opinion 100% for a DS Revan.... but I am just going from my opinion for a LS Revan. Thats one of the things about the Kotor's that is so interesting, because you really are two different people depending on how you play it.

But the Sith are imperialists, thats the whole point. They don't stop their conquest and they constantly oppress, even if not always with blood shed. What you are saying is that an evil dictator doesn't have evil motivations until he commits genocide on everyone or something similar. Of course the Sith often do commit genocide. So what if the Republic wasn't around, well the Empire would continue the conquest of the universe and strip everyone of their freedoms and become the ultimate oppressive regime. What if Revan had come back to the Jedi after the Mandalorian War? What if he hadn't killed off most of the Jedi in the war with the Sith? He would have all the more force users to help him thats what. Lets look at that through the eyes of a non force user. If they knew the full truth, the Sith started the aggression, they would think the Sith were evil as well. Since everyone always blames it on the ones who start it. The only reason they think all force users are evil is because they do not know the difference between the Jedi and the Sith, they think that everyone who can wield the force is the same. You can say war would be over if the Sith conquer everything, but there never would have been a war in the first place without them and Revan leading them. Which leads me to another point. When have the Jedi actually been the ones to agress against the Sith? I don't think they ever have. All the fighting that is cauesd is brought about because of them more or less, they were even the ones who told the Mandalorians to attack the republic.

I am not exactuly sure where you are coming from when you say an evil ruler can be a good ruler. As a Sith revan was killing everyone who wouldn't convert to his cause, and he wasn't usually quick about it. I don't quite see how the killing of innocent people is something that wouldn't effect the people in the galaxy, considering the people being killed are part of the galaxy. Of course I still don't get how ANY evil ruler can be a good ruler. You can sacrifice alot without being considered evil, but he went a little beyond that.

Perhaps you are right, but I remember Kreia saying it was the Sith ideal that survived. The empire that is beyond the outer rim might just be any empire that has adopted their ideal and might very well be on the conquest. The other possibility is that it's not really an empire at all. That she called it that because people everywhere will have evil inside of them that Revan either sought to destroy or take advantage of in a perhaps totally non warfare sense. I would obviously prefer the first option though. It seems more likely as well, since if you played LS you heard that

Despite the poor use of English (maybe its not your first language) you have a excellent point. Villains are more interesting when they compare to common human emotions. Thats what made the story of Darth Vader so interesting in the movies. However, you kind of need both, you need the evil villain who has human motivations and desires, like Sion and Vader seemed to have. And, you need the warped monster that doesn't seem to feel anything and lives only to torment, like Nihlus and the Emporer seemed to be. Which brings me to this, I'd say one of the best done villains was actually Commodus in Gladiator. He actually had visible motivations and desires that any human being would want he just didn't exactly have the moral structure to attain them as most people would see fit. In my opinoin, that makes a good villain who you can empathize with, and perhaps if your the kind of person, pity. Sorry for the off topic non Star Wars comparison, but I thought it fit.

I would agree, they should have ended with the first one. However, now that they have made a second, I am inclined to think they should make another to finish it. The second one didn't really have they same kind of ending that would be a huge stretch to continue like the first as well. Since no matter what you finish the game as, you aren't really doing anything thats going to visibly affect the whole galaxy. In the first Kotor it felt like you either saved it, or were about to take it over. In the second, either ending didn't seem like it had immediate dire rammifications on the fate of the galaxy that would be a stretch to pick up after.

Yes, that is an interesting idea, of course it would be alot easier to just allow someone else to just create a guy to be a member of your party, sort of how multi player worked in BG and Icewind Dale. I do kind of agree with some of the comments about the game loosing some of its roleplaying value with multiplayer however. Still it might be an interesting addition. If they did add more space battles to the game such as an X-wing I would hope that they would make it a little better, I really didn't like the space battles in either Kotor (they were exactly the same actually). Now I don't know if this idea has been discussed, but if they were to make this a finalization of the other two, they should just use the npcs they have already created. They could write multiple scripts for them depending on how the first game went, depending on whether you influenced people in Kotor 2 to LS or DS, or whether you left Bastila DS or LS. They could also impliment what they did in K2 and only have some of them join depending on your gender.I am probably being unrealstic and that would be alot of work, but I think it would be awesome, since they already have a great cast of characters and could easily reuse them without them feeling old or stagnant. Of course it might be boring for the writers to be doing the same characters again, but who knows. Then perhaps if they decided to finish off with a trilogy, they could start a whole other game somewhere down the line with completely new people.

No they definetley shouldn't have, , but it still doesn't make much sense.

I am sure they could find some way of having characters who were "dead" come back if the wanted to. Aribeth came back in HoTU after all, if anyone has played the NWN series. But regardless it would probably frusturate some people since it would go against what they wanted, but anyways... I would like to see: Bastila Jolee The champ (that little bat man was awesome, and I usually hate the cheesy ewok type roles) Carth Visas Bao Dur

I think I will be the first to say LS was my favorite then. Never cared for being a jerk to people. I have started playing on DS in both K1 and K2, but I could never finish them. Evil just doesn't appeal to me, I can't understand the mentality that goes into it.

213375U is right, Star Wars is based around good and evil. The idea of a dark side and a light side, thats what pretty much all fantasy is based on. Its okay to have philosophical questions about what it is exactly, or to question someones motives for what they do, because eveyone knows in real life nothing is completely black and white, but even in real life good is still good and evil is still ultimatley evil, no matter what causes it or what the motives were. If they all of the sudden decided to make the sith, who are the bullies of the galaxies, the good guys. Then the Jedi who are the protecters (even though some of them may be arrogant) the bad guys, it would totaly destroy what Star Wars is in the game. Everything else I agree with though, lots of dialogue and development time would make the game quite awesome. They shouldn't make it to completely artistic though, a good level would be nice, but I just don't want it to turn out like some cheesy over done independent film.

Yeah Oskant is right, you can't change the style of a game. It would change the essance of a game. They should keep the same engine and just put some upgrades in it, and thoroughly test them of course. If they were to make a new engine because perhaps this one has to many limits (I don't know if it does or not), they should at least try to make it similar and not do something radical like making it into some huge open ended walk fest like Morrowind as I heard proposed in another post.

Personally I would prefer to be a Jedi, but an option to be a non-jedi couldn't hurt, its not like you would have to not be a Jedi. Plus it is possibly for a non Jedi to stand up to a Jedi, the Mandalorians seemed to do a pretty good job of it. I mean yeah they lost, but they took out quite a few.

When I say the only thing KoTOR 2 got better at was gameplay that includes all the thing like robes and the enhanced workbench and other misc. improvements. My question is how do the npc's have more personality in KoTOR 2? They don't seem to effect the plot as much and once you hit a certain point with them, you can only ask the same questions over and over again without ever advancing to anything new or any sort of quests involving them like in the original. They still do have personality however, don't mistake saying I thought KoTOR 1 had more that KoTOR 2 didn't at all. And as far as the story being better in the orignal KoTOR, that is totally a matter of personal preference. They are both complex and interesting, but I just didn't like the way TSL went in the plot around the Exile. Please don't take this as complaing either as most people are assuming any time someone reveals something they didn't like. Just because someone says something negative about a game doesn't mean they don't like it, because I do like KoTOR 2. It ranks fourth in my list of all time favorite RPG's.

They are both excellent games, but Kotor is much better than TSL. The only thing TSL improved on was gameplay, beyond that Kotor excelled beyond TSL IMO.

I am never one for hypothetical situations, but the fact of the matter is Atton is an assasin/scoundrel and Carth is a soldier. In an arena style straight one on one.... without biases involved.... Carth would be the victor. Oh, and yes Carth may have been whiny, but Atton was just as whiny if not more so.

True, age difference doesn't really mean much these days. 10 years really isn't that big of a difference anways. My grandparents were 22 years apart. Now that I would consider a bid deal. And, doesn't the force effect how you age anyways. I mean Yoda was 900 years old, and who knows how long Obi Wan would have lived if he hadn't been killed by Vader. Palpatine looked pretty ancient to me too.

No, but Oberon is probably a semi common name since it was in a Shakespeare play (Midsummer Night's Dream).

What if you are fighting an enemy with another lightsaber? If you are stronger than them and you clash blades you can use your strength to over power them, since a lightsaber doesn't just cut through another lightsaber. Same thing with not cutting right through vibroblades or similar.

I don't get why people assume that KoTOR 3 isn't or is going to come out. First off Gamespot's heading for the news is KoTOR 3 delayed not canceld. Second Lucas Arts said they were going to do more outside developing, so it is quite possible that someone else is going to make the game, same as the first two. It is always possible that it still isn't going to come out, but its just as possible that its only been delayed til an outside developer picks it up, if they already haven't. So to say its living in a fantasy world to talk about potential aspects of KoTOR 3 is just foolish, as it could effect the outcome of what the next game (or lack there of) is like.

Your observation is strangely accurate, I am younger and do like the first game better, but I also think that most people who prefer light side liked the first one better as well. The first one was more black and white, and me personally, like that better. A clear cut evil and good. Kreia seemed evil to me all the way, but the game didn't potray her that way, not really anyways. However the plot twist really didn't make the first game as much as people think it did. In fact sometimes I could do without a plot twist since it might be more realistic to not have one anyways. The two main reasons I liked the first one more ,and neither of them being the plot twist, were mainly the characters, they seemed like they had more to contribute (although Kreia did alot to) and had more personality to them. Second I preferred being a regular old force user. What you find out about the Exile turned me off to the story. A story with Jolee Bindo back in would be truly awesome, he is my favorite character out of both KoTORs. And Ender, you were in Marines? Thats pretty cool, I leave for basic in July, but anyways thats kind of off topic.

I like shiny things too, so I can sympathize. And there is so much shiny in Star Wars!