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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Please let us not have ANY MORE games with elves, dwarfs or orcs. Ever. Mechanoid planets, planets with walking trees, talking rocks, anything except those blinking elves. Normal services will now resume. :D

I think there is a genetic memory stored within the Sand People. It needs to be extracted (an excruciationg process) to unlock the secret to Life, The Universe and Everything and fight the True True Hidden Old Sith Sith. Surely the Sith will turn on each other the moment they are victorious: so just feint and then when they are divided, pounce (metaphorically speaking, of couse. It's a little difficult to make a fleet of capital ships pounce ...)

Those mandalorians are tough if that's an example of their STDs ...

Why not? And what has happened to your avatar? Either you're crying or bleeding out your sockets ...

1. Turn off the "pause" for strategic battle planning. 2. You could always try playing by ear ... y'know closing your eyes?

One more than the third. An extra one. That's about as specific as I can get. It can be useful to think of Time as a fourth dimension (but not necessarily THE Fourth dimension). So that your bedroom exists in three dimensions, yes, and the fourth co-ordinate is necessary to intersect with you when you are there -- so asleep at 10am missing a lecture in the room would be the fourth co-ordinate. But you just have to bend your mind around having an extra spacial dimension to imagine the hypercube. You can use an analogy like this: If you have a matrix of 4 dimensions, then this is like a line (one dimension) of cubes. Similarly, a matrix of 5 dimensions would be equivalent to a plane (2 dimensions, height and bredth) of cubes.

Just remembered, thought it was Socrates too, that was Plato!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, but Plato wrote all our Socratic stuff, so I think he kept the best bits for himself. There is a belief held by a minority that Socrates didn't actually exist, he was just a safe rhetorical device, so that Xenophon and Plato didn't drink hemlock. :D

1. Here here. 2. It was for my own good. And the good of Revan. The Force manipulated her into a twisted, hateful hag so that she would manipulate me into the biggest, bestest hero of the KotOR universe. 3. So The Force is Dark AND Light. (There is a Jewish sect dating from about BCE whose name I have forgotten :"> that believed in particles of good and evil making up the universe. Wasn't the nazarenes ... um, get back to it later.) Nietzsche! Contrast: Good/bad vs. good/evil. - Good/bad is tied to merit, bad is what is not good. - Good/evil moral notions; moral evil has primacy: moral goodness is what is not evil. Moral evil results from an unconscious projection of hostility or hatred. A redefinition of meritorious qualities of strength, power, and vigor as appropriate objects of moral indignation

The (US?) army did an experiment where they had some soldiers wear glasses that inverted what they saw. After a couple of days, the soldiers' vision adapted, and they no longer say the inverted images upsidedown. Then the testers took off the glasses, and their eyesight was inverted, again. It took a couple of days more for their perception to return to normal. Socrates had some very bizarre theory about our perceptions and shadows cast on a cave wall, too. I don't think he wore glasses, though. They weren't invented until the latter part of the second millennium in Europe. (The Chinese are genetically predisposed to short-sightedness, so they never had a need to invent them, just kept sticking the page closer to their nose ...) :cool: A fourth dimensional hyper-cube looks like a cube within a cube, equidistant from a common mid-point. now, connect the vertices of each cube, such that the outer cube vertices are connected to their closest vertex of the inner cube. Now you have a three dimensional rendition of the four dimensional object. In four dimensions, all the vertices (which look angled) are perpendicular.

just a note .. Science is a matter faith just like any other religion! problem with it is that even though you "prove" something and all the test give you the same results 100 times in a row you can never be 100% certain.. you can only unprove a teory, you can never truely prove it .. so you have to believe like everyone else! just a note .. (I believe Einstein said that) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I never said science didn't have an element of faith. If a theory is disproved, then a new theory must be created to fit THE FACTS. I have faith in the facts. Facts don't change. (we get better at interpreting them, is all.) If a religious truth is challenged, THE FACTS must be wrong. (The person is branded a heretic and burned at the stake.) Meritocracy versus theocracy; knowlegde, the key to betterment for all, versus dogma. My faith in the laws of physics is constantly re-affirmed by the fact that we all don't fly off the surface of this swifty rotating ball of dirt, water and rock. Faith in God is a choice, and it does not require proof. (Pity about that Babel Fish.) :cool:

1. Fantasy still has to have referential integrity, or else we get nonsense: J'Ermkilja attacks the Orc with his sword, when suddenly it turns into a pick pansie and eats his horse. Wihtout delay, J'Ermkilja eats the panie on a piece of toast. It's just silly (they didn't invent toasters until the twnetieth century). 2. Kreia told me she wouldn't lie to me, just everyone else. 3. What about truly evil people; those that have consciously decided that they hate more than love and want to spread misery. Are they linked into The Force, too? 4. Did Kreia tell you that? 5. Can't accept that. Stephen W. Hawking's A Brief History of Time made a pretty reasonable case for the laws of physics being stable for any universe that might result as one like ours, and time would always go forward, etc. Besides, I don't mind if we superimpose a metaphysical superset on our familiar physics, just so long as it is systematic and consistent (referential integrity). If a fire gives off heat for Luke, then it must for Vader, too. Otherwise we just have a dream sequence, where no empathy is possible (I live in reality, even if you don't and if I feel that the characters are never in danger then I won't care what happens -- I have to perceive the danger, so it must be familiar to me). 6. What if Kreia is double-secret-probation-bluffing? Agreed. A. So it is a bit like the music of the spheres, where Force Sensitives have brought along their own instruments to join in with ... B. This is the best argument for a multiverse. Or The Force may have a Will, but it is not the only influence in the Galaxy (nor, possibly, the strongest): Open Dualism. C. You're crazy, Druids are just a class for NPCs to be weird and wonderful colourful ambient characters. "

... Socrates!

imagination = inspiration? That just means the imaginer is inspired. It doesn't mean the imagined landscape is real. If anything it supports the the "fertile imagination" theory. What is truly interesting about this story is that I have imagined that you have imagined that someone completely unexpected has spouted an incongruous philosophical exposition ... now that sounds like a dreamscape.

And why does it say "when you kill HIM"? Wasn't Master Vash female? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> .. and Dead?

The main game patch is 16.6MB in length. 2.11.427 (UK version), plus 867kB to update the autoupdater first. :cool:

well then you need to figure out what truth is as well .. since the answer you will arrive to is a subjective observation.. it never stops!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Truth is Good. Truth is The Force. I seek the total loss of the ego so that I might contemplate nirvana and become one with the single truth that is the music of universe. ... Well, yeah, I guess it is all subjective, but that's okay, because you lot are all a figment of my imagination, anyway ... "

... So where is the dilemma? God is both all-knowing and all-powerful, but he also follows certain rules that he built into human beings from the start. First of all, he allows us free will, which means that he didn't make a race of robots, because robots can never truly love their creator. God created children - people who would love him and follow his lead because they CHOOSE to, not because he forces them to. The true measure of "all-powerful" is in the ability to choose when to exert that power over others. ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is what I was afraid of: spammed by a faith-over-fact fundamentalist. Breifly, the problem is Evil, namely, how can Evil exist in the world, even as a consequence of free will. (It's called the Epicurean Paradox, just look back and I've linked to a good description.) The paradox is that if we, as beings of free will, are free to choose ruin and not be "saved", then: - if God is all Good than everyone should be saved, or else s/he isn't all-powerful or all-knowing; if God is all-powerful, than these people could be saved, (redeemed), otherwise s/he ain't all-Good; - if God is all-knowing s/he knew that these people would be "lost", therefore s/he is not all-Good or all-powerful. There are various theodices that have been propounded by Christian thinkers over the years, but none will every untie that gordian knot. Gibberish. If God has a will, and God knows everything, and is more powerful, then God is (for whatever reason, and self-actualisation is as good a reason as any; Isaac Asimov did a great short story about it) using mortals for an agenda. God might be a benevolent dictator, but God is still an autocrat. And Goodness is derived from the choice made to suffer for a higher purpose, not some other agent (God) making the decision for us, whether it is the right decision or not. Period. No, it's quite simple and in no way difficult. Falling back on ignorance as the best reason for God's existence is sad. "We" don't have to accept anything. You may choose to, but my choice is not to. (That's a function of the liberalisation of faiths in Europe a couple of centuries ago: religious tolerance begets freedom to believe in none, or anything in between.) No, you cannot wrap yourself around that because you aren't trying hard enough. Ever done mathematics? Heard of the concept of infinity? Well, you can do arithmatic on sets of infinity (infinity - infinity = infinity, for example). There is a further abstraction: infinity to the infinite power is a whole new concept. (Notionally called Aleph-1, after the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet.) So, no, it doesn't hurt my brain. I've read books on the four dimension, and imagined a fourth dimensional hypercube (I can draw one for you, if you like: if looses a lot in two dimensions, though. ) Your attitude would have kept the Catholic Church in charge of medicine, like it was around 1000 years ago, when the monasteries were teaching what Galen (a citizen of the Roman Empire) had hypothesised but couldn't prove, because the Church wouldn't allow human dissection. "Yes, the human skull must have two bones for the mandible, because the monkey does." It makes me sick to hear people say "don't try to work it out, because that mystery is God." Grow up. You're enjoying the fruits of technology, yet you are squeemish about the morality of knowledge. You really believe in the Tree of Knowledge being a bad thing. It is not apporpriate. Stop polluting this thread with your God-bothering opinions. I don't want every advocate of every different religion telling me why there faith is the one true faith, so why should I let you? I know some poeple choose to believe -- that's why it's called FAITH. SCIENCE, on the other hand, is only interested in things that can be proved. Your ignorance of science does nothing to strengthen your case, so perhaps silence would assist you better. Now, back to something more interesting ...

Awww. How boring. =( <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, it kinda opposes the entire theme of KotOR2, don't you think? Exploring the true nature of goodness, how ethical dilemmas play out, when to trust a liar and when not to follow a friend ... It's also a wee bit too simplistic. The Roman Empire, for example, committed horrendous acts of genocide and war crimes. But, in the end, the long term benefits of a central point of reference for social, political, religious and human growth has been a boon to our civilization. Was the Roman Empire Good or Bad? It's a bit like Tom Baker's Doctor Who in The Genesis of The Daleks, when he ponders whether he has the right to destroy the evil race, because "Out of [the Daleks'] great evil must come some great good." :cool:

And what, pray tell, have you got aginst Santa Claus?

I played KotOR(s) on my old 32mb GeForce4 440, so I won't (pretty sure) be able to play a new engine KotOR III . Nevertheless I fully accept (and make no opposition) to a new engine, even though I'll be resigning myself to not being able to play K3. The hope is that when K3 comes out in a few years I'll have money for new computer by then . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Um, what spoilage are you preventing by keeping your video card and work status from us?

they are doing a good job .. but let's not raise them to something they are not! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But we've ot to build them up to bring them crashing down ... what would we do instead? Live in harmony with all the peoples of the world? Solve poverty and hunger? Do something useful? Nah, let's continue with the mindless Cult of the Famous, stoking the fires of civilization with the minor dieties of people famous for being famous ... ... Did I say that out loud?

Midichlorians are like mitochondria, you can't simply clone them, it wouldn't work. It's all about the concentration. It isn't really possible to double or triple the concentration of a whole body. The concept of midichlorians isn't stupid at all and doesn't change the force in the slightest... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Long distance athletes have more "slow twitch" muscle fibre than, say sprinters who have more "fast twitch" muscle fibres. Athletes tend to have athletic offspring. That in itself is a form of selective breeding, like with race horses. If you can "selectively breed" a genetic component, like muscle fibres, then you can surely selectively breed a denser mitochondrial volume in the cells. And if you can selectively breed it, you can clone it. (Just because we can't do it at the end of the twentieth century doesn't mean we won't ever be able to do it. Look at how fast illicit doping technology for performance enhancement is advancing in world sports.) Mitochondria are still predetermined by your genetic code, too. Okay, maybe I was being a tad facetious (moi?) comparing them to hormones. But the dumbed-down dialogue in Ep.1 suggested it in the first place. Actually, one thought from dear old FarimirK was that these midichlorians were actually beings. (Or at least our dimensional manifestation of multi-dimensional beings.) That is an interesting concept, with lots of scope for exploration; although it does throw the cat amongst the pigeons and spill that can of worms all over the shoe store floor. "

We-eeeeeeeeeeeell, I'm not insisting on crow-barring The Force into an existing philosophy-slash-theology, I'm just trying to understand it. ('Cos that's the kinda guy I am. :D ) In science, if a new experimental result doesn't fit your model, you revise the model (e.g. "traditional electric current" went from negative to positive). (Religion, on the other hand, tends to call the new information heretical, and burns it and everyone involved. " ) So, with the new "The Force seems to have a will...", I try and fit that into the existing (small "f" force) model. **** I've been thinking a bit more (yes, it hurt, boom boom, and yes it is a dangerous thing) about what "Goodness" is. The whole incorporation -- i.e. manifesting into some "quintessence" or being -- is, rather obviously, where the issue lies. I guess the problem is the only way to explain the phenomena is to directly observe it and then buid the model. Except the phenomena is fictional. So I am left with "sanity-checking" the model that is presented as "science-fantasy-fact"; I have no choice in this, I simply am compelled to do so. (It's part of my quiditity: what makes me the fun loving relentlessly obsessive psychopath that I am.) It's a pickle. *** You're not Dutch, are you? I have a friend who is Dutch. He has a big head. Therefore you must be Dutch.

What "modern" logic am I using? I thought logic was logic was logic! I thought we were talking about good and evil, and some "all-powerful force that controls my destiny", (Han Solo, Star Wars), and their relationship(s).