Child of Flame

While this thread is getting rather long.....could we keep it for at least a while longer? Do all the unwritten Obsidian board policies really have to be a clone copy of the Bioboards?

GEE! That's what I thought. Not if we've been lied to since E3. Not sure yet who made the trailer, so I can't really say whether or not Obsidian was in on it too; quite honestly, I doubt any of them would come forward anyway as there's no reason to screw themselves over more when the blame is currently on Lucasarts. After all, when someone ****sup, there's no better game to play than the BLAME GAME!!!

I won't be playing anything until February.

As is also mentioned above, they realized their ****up, and ammended and said that Winter 2004 extends to Feb. 2005 (Fiscal year). This makes not a bit of sense from any marketing standpoint, as a fiscal year means nothing to anyone outside of business/retail. C'mon Lucasarts....do you really think we're that stupid? <_< <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ^^^We've been lied to since E3 by Lucasarts.....and depending on who made the trailer Obsidian too. This really, really sucks.

Just steer clear of the KotOR 2 forums/threads and you'll do fine. That's what I did about KotOR. Hah, if you'd have ever went shopping with a g/f as mine you would've learned this enormous patience I have. And that release date wasn't much of a lie. It was more of a mistake in estimation, I believe, and wasn't at all intentional. Why get all worked up about it? Everyone makes mistakes. Just take a deep breath, make a sigh, and find some other entertainment in the meantime. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Check my latest post in the other thread. Most specifically the one with the Gamespot news quote. Unless not only Lucasarts PR department are total imbeciles, but ALSO the guys at Obsidian who made the trailer for E3, they both knew about this since E3. They just strung us along for awhile longer. <_<

No. 1 sounds like great fun to me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ditto. I have the money already. But a snowball has a better chance in hell than the odds of me buying an XBox after this powerplay between M$ and Lucasarts, and.....possibly, Obsidian.

Well, I've just found more or less difinitive proof that Lucasarts, and possibly Obsidian, though they probably had a nondisclosure agreement, have been stringing us along more or less since E3 when the KotOR trailer was released. As someone said earlier, at the end of the trailer, 'Coming Winter 2004' is flashed briefly. As stated here: As is also mentioned above, they realized their ****up, and ammended and said that Winter 2004 extends to Feb. 2005 (Fiscal year). This makes not a bit of sense from any marketing standpoint, as a fiscal year means nothing to anyone outside of business/retail. C'mon Lucasarts....do you really think we're that stupid? <_<

Umm, could you help me out? I kind of fail to see the point there. Are you trying to say that, because the KotOR 2's PC version isn't ready, the XPox owners must miss out on KotOR 2, as well? Am I right? If so, then I really feel sorry for the society that you grew up in... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Correction: Are growing up in. I feel really sorry for it too. It's not so much that, as I hate to have it all spoiled for me unless I swear off the internet for several months (not likely to happen). Damn my lack of willpower towards the internet. I also really hate being lied to. And since they apparently knew since the trailer was released that the Billy Gates Box version was going to be released early; seeing as how I don't buy that they 'put the fiscal year' on the trailer, as that would make no since from a marketing standpoint, since anyone who doesn't work retail, or knows about retail knows nothing about the fiscal year. Bull sh!t. :angry:

I am! I don't know about all you old people though. I was amazed when everyone started posting their pictures in WoT and I found out the actual ratio of adults to kids. :ph34r:

It would be good for LA too because as people did with KotOR, the Xbox folk would buy it on PC to get all the cool things. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah it would, but I have a sneaking suspicion Ghost of Anakin is right. :angry:

Why do you have to be so stubborn?! Heh, the XPox version is ready for release, so why do you want the XPox owners to drown in their own drool for another two months just because the PC version isn't ready? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because they have a ton of other games to tide them over this holiday season....while the PC pickings are rather slim? I mean, the only games that Hades listed that I really want are Prince of Persia 3, Splinter Cell 3, and Pirates!. The only one that's even remotely RPG like is Pirates! too. I don't know what you die-hard RPG fans are going to do. Poor souls.

Damn, you know what would be freaking awesome is if they added all the things they said would take too much of the Billy Gates Box's memory to do originally just for the PC version. Up/Down hood, more NPC models. That would f*cking rock. :D

Yeah, but I've got some posh relatives in bloody ol' England (Forgot about them last post) descended from the Bowlings (Apparently there's still a Bowling Mansion somewhere in England that is now a museum much like Hearst Castle in Central California. ) who have compiled a little book that has my ancestry traced way, way back. I'm even in it! :D

Heh, my heritage is Peace Loving Tobacco addicts. Well....one for two ain't bad I guess. I'd probably be using tobacco if it wasn't for all the extra chemicals they put in it these days.

I think the most awesome message anyone could send, PC AND Billy Gates Box gamers could send, is if everyone started pulling their preorders, even if they do intend to go out and buy it as soon as it hits the shelves. Myself, I'd sure get a chuckle out of seeing it actually go 'Un-Gold'.

Well, if what one person said is true, they never intended to; that is, if the trailer really did say Winter 2004.

You're assuming america is representative of the rest of the world...no way .5 of world has x-box. That's absurd. Also, not even 1/5 of AMERICA'S population has an x-box. I"d guess more like 1/100th of population of China has x-box (absolute conjecture, so if anyone could find stats...), if that. Really, the american assumption tends to be that the rest of the world is relatively rich like us...we don't understand that if you have an x-box, you're probably not poor. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't expect you guys to read the entire thread like I did, most of you actually have a life, but you could at least read the last two pages before posting. It's 8.6 million in the entire world excluding the US. Most of those were in Europe. That means that Asia has significantly less than 1/100. <_< <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So, whatever the facts and figures, LA have still pissed off the majority of their paying customers. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh hell yes. No argument there. The majority of LA's customers throughout their history as a game dev has been PC gamers. Not to mention, as I stated earlier, I really highly doubt that there's more Billy Gates Box owners, than people who have a PC that meets the pathetic minimum requirements of KotOR. Especially in Asia, tech center of the world. Sheesh.

My claim to fame is I'm a descendant of Pocahontas and the father of the modern tobacco industry, Thomas Rolfe. Just because you have some famous ancestors doesn't mean you're not a disgrace to your genepool. But it does mean that not only are you a disgrace to the genepool, but a digrace to your lineage as well. Have a nice day. <_<

You're assuming america is representative of the rest of the world...no way .5 of world has x-box. That's absurd. Also, not even 1/5 of AMERICA'S population has an x-box. I"d guess more like 1/100th of population of China has x-box (absolute conjecture, so if anyone could find stats...), if that. Really, the american assumption tends to be that the rest of the world is relatively rich like us...we don't understand that if you have an x-box, you're probably not poor. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't expect you guys to read the entire thread like I did, most of you actually have a life, but you could at least read the last two pages before posting. It's 8.6 million in the entire world excluding the US. Most of those were in Europe. That means that Asia has significantly less than 1/100. <_<

I agree. Although I think the difference may be that the XBox version sells for, what, close to $80 per game? PC versions can be had for $49.99. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That sounds alot like the canadian prices, am I right? Because when I went to pre order TSL the $80 price tag was what I was told (after taxes of course), and the $49.99 is what I was also told for the PC version. Both prices are from my local EB games. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dude, you guys get raped. I can order about half my games (PC) online for $30 USD on the day of release. Wait a month or so, and I can get them for around $10. Sheesh.

This is total BS. As I stated earlier: And to the uninitiated, there is a way to play an X-Box game on a PC as well as pirate it. For playing it on a PC, just like all other consoles, it's called EMULATION, and they sell modchips by the dozens for X-Box, as well as having tons of websites where people can send their Boxes in to have them installed. I've said it before, and I'll say it again.....Billy has fat wads of cash, and can make almost anyone, do anything for him with the right amount. <_<

A good way to figure out how many PC owners worldwide would be able to play this game would be to look up the statistics for the Nvidia/ATI graphics card owners that are the minimum sys requirements for KotOR. <Edit> I just looked at my box, the minimum requirement are actually pretty low. I can almost guarantee you that there's more PC owners worldwide with these specs than Billy Gates Box owners, but it's probably close. For those who're curious: System: 1 GHz CPU or equivalent RAM:128 MB RAM CD-ROM: 4X CD-ROM Video Memory: 32 MB VRAM Hard Drive Space: 4000 MB DirectX: DirectX v9.0 The fact of the matter is, Billy paid Lucasarts alot to break their word. <_< </Edit>

North American Billy Gates Box Sales from the last two fiscal years: 16.3 Billy Gates Box Sales everywhere else (Asia-Pacific, Europe) from the last two fiscal years: 8.6 Not sure what the sales earlier than that were as they were harder to find; plus they didn't really sell much anywhere but the US anyway. I'd say the majority of Billy Gates Box owners are Stateside. <_< 2003 fiscal year sales were taken from HERE. 2004 fiscal year sales were taken from HERE. <Edit> Oh, just so you know ASV, corporations operate on fiscal years so as not to end their estimations before the end of the winter season. The end of a fiscal year is July. </Edit>

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