Valsuelm

Great tune and great video. I'm reminded bittersweetly how great a decade the 80s was for movies, and how so far from great the last and current one has been for movies relatively speaking.

There's really no point in arguing with someone who uses the terms "Muslims and Islam apologists" and defends people who criticize Islam in the manners commonly done in the western media. The level of ignorance and stupidity such a person is exhibiting is the same as someone who judges people based on the color of their skin. Granted, many millions of people have been brainwashed to think this way, and some of them are on this forum, but just because it's a popular view doesn't make it an intelligent one or one that isn't steeped in bigotry.

De Gaulle's action in '66 was little to nothing more than political posturing, like so many other things he did. France never left NATO.

France has about as much a chance of leaving NATO in the next decade as the U.S. does. whether Le Pen is elected or not. Both nations certainly should leave as they'd both be better off, but both nations aren't run by people who have the best interest of those nations at heart or in mind. The sad truth likely is that France will leave NATO the day that NATO is dissolved and something new, like it, and very probably more evil replaces it.

Yes. Different, but at very least potentially equal, and possibly worse. So you boys are telling me that if there was a hidden camera in your house that was filming surreptitiously everything you did, including intimacy with a partner, you would consider this the same type of invasion of your privacy as someone reading your emails ? Even if you're ignorant of the laws here, the fact that you even thought to ask such a thing should tell you there's something seriously wrong in a nation that is supposed to be free.

Just to be clear, because I'm obviously not American, now that the US government can monitor your communications why is this such a contentious point? It's an issue of privacy. The government shouldn't be able to monitor communications of citizens without court order(ie probable cause) in a free society. It's a bit bigger than that. Under the supreme law of the land they are not able to. It's a blatant and egregious violation of the 4th Amendment. It's not like this is the first one though, sadly far from it. At this point the U.S. Constitution is pretty much ignored by the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches on a regular basis. And the mainstream media not only lets just about all of it slide, it even often attempts to marginalize those who would speak out against these violations. Over the course of the 20th century the violations of the U.S. Constitution got worse and worse, but the violations since 2001 and what we're seeing more and more of all these years after are taking it to that level where some really really ugly sh*t is bound to happen, and a lot sooner than many think. We're really on the fast track to hell.

It was probably just cough syrup. My wager is spiked Kool-Aid.

Cognitive Dissonance wheeee! Also, there's a non Orwellian / non Culturally Marxist word for "advanced interrogation techniques". It's the word: 'Torture'. It's seven syllables less, 24 characters shorter, and honest. You should start using it.

Come on Kroney you are a reasonable and intelligent person, there are different degrees of torture Waterboarding is not as harsh as having hot boiling oil poured over your private parts And being raped by one man isn't as harsh as being raped by two or more. Having your stereo stolen out of your car isn't as harsh as having your car stolen. Being stabbed through the heart once isn't as harsh as being stabbed there and other places more than a dozen times. It's still rape. It's still theft. It's still being killed.

Interesting standards you hold. Also, why does it matter that we remember who we are fighting, exactly ? Funnily enough though, terrorists are probably operating under this kind of logic as well Because the West faces a brutal, intransigent and unforgiving enemy in the form of Islamic Fundamentalism. And because so many terrorist attacks have been foiled some of you guys forget what a threat they can be The west only faces this specter because it allows itself to be ruled be people with an insatiable appetite for resources in other people's backyards. There has been zero evidence ever presented that a any 'terrorist' attacks have been foiled in modern times. Not one time, let alone many.

I'm unsure what you mean by that, but as Hurlshot says, there are no riots, just demonstrations.

Okay so lets talk the possible future and what troubles you The Netherlands was complicit with the CIA so in the last 7 years since this type of interrogation was used what laws have changed in your country that is a direct result of what the Netherlands did with the CIA ? Here's something for you Bruce, if you weren't already aware: There are numerous laws in the U.S. that make what the CIA did illegal on many levels. Violations of multiple parts of the U.S. Constitution itself, violations of various laws specifically outlawing torture, violations of various laws limiting what the CIA is allowed to do, violation of various treaties the U.S. has signed (though I myself don't think we should have signed most if not all of them), violations of statutes requiring the proper informing of Congress/President/etc, and more. Enough to put the folks behind this behind bars for a long long time if they weren't above the law and we actually prosecuted (something that isn't going to happen anytime soon but should). Heck, some of what they've done is very arguably treason, which can carry the death penalty here. Even if one accepts for a moment (I do not, but for the of argument I will) that what the CIA did to the various people it detained was perfectly fine in a war time situation, the implications of allowing them to break all the laws they have and get away with it are huge. On an international scale, perhaps not so much (though I do think Rostere is generally right that things like this are used by some as an argument against republics/democracy/capitalism, because some in fact do), but internally the situation is ultimately dire for it's evidence the U.S. has fallen far from what it once was, has become something that most of the people who founded and ran this nation for the first 100+ years would have fought against, and ultimately all of this completely undermines law, order, justice, and the rights of the individual within the U.S.. Now, people who support what the CIA did of course generally do not see that dire on the horizon, or the evidence of it that's already manifested, or they don't care. These people are for the most part by and large pure evil, ignorant, or just plain stupid as they lack the ability to perceive cause and effect along with an appreciation of the basic sentiments of many of those around them. This is not a popular thing within the U.S. at all, and many of the people who have a problem with what the CIA has done and a number of other egregious assaults on what this nation was and is supposed to be (because this CIA torture thing is not the sole egregious assault, not even close sadly) are buying guns, ammo, and stockpiling resources, and that's no joke though I'm sure many here will brush off the various implications of that. It is not just your imagined tin foil hat wearing people, country bumkins, and doomsday prophets doing this. Many Average Joes, along with many of those in the military itself has been doing this for while now.... It's not going to be China, India, or anyone else that brings the day of reckoning home to the U.S as some this thread are thinking, it's going to be people within the U.S. itself.

The intelligence agency that takes its place would be just as bad - well, unless you think a power like the US has no need of a foreign-targeted intelligence agency It would not be necessarily as bad. Key would be how it was formed, why, who was running it, to what end, and how the CIA was dismantled. And no.. the U.S. really doesn't need something like the CIA at all in the first place. It's entire existence would become largely pointless if the U.S. stopped working for global imperialists. That said, I don't expect the CIA to be dismantled or an end to that imperialism anytime remotely soon.

Not exactly on the first two paragraphs. To sum it part of it, you apparently aren't familiar with what a puppet is, nor the implications of a populace ok with a Monarchy vs. one opposed to one. Your last paragraph fails to make grammatical sense after the first sentence. Review your syntax please.

Yep.... It definitely needs to go. Easier said than done though. J.F.K. was seriously talking about doing so, and look what happened to him. He got shot by a random American commie. There's quite a bit more to it than that. Sorry, I've been indoctrinated by factual evidence. Baaa. So you've been indoctrinated by a proven plagiarist? Someone who has been shown to have lied about his work on numerous occasions? Someone who comes off in interviews as a slimy hack ignorant of many facets of what was going on in the nation/world at the time his works cover? Are you kidding me? Is there anything that has happened in the history of the U.S. that occurred that popular history and official government stories say that you question? Anything? Is there anything in the popular narrative you don't agree with? That you find evidence proves wrong? JFK aside, can you name any head of state in the western world in the past ~150 years that's been assassinated by anyone other than the 'lone gunman'?

HAHAHAAHA And naturally this power can only be held by those with magical royal blood and can only be exercised provided she and her spawn live lavishly at the expense of others. No you're just delusional. Worth noting is that my post was tongue and cheek and directed at an entirely different type of opponent. I honestly didn’t expect someone to come in and defend ****ing “royalism” but I shouldn’t be surprised. Nice argument. You going to actually back up any of these assertions, or just be confident in your ignorance? I have no idea about you or where you're from or where you've got your ideas from, I wouldn't presume to judge. However, suggesting that (and I'm speaking purely about the British monarchy here, not some general notion of royalty) the British monarchy have any power at all is absolute rubbish. That is fact. They exist for the reasons Walsingham and myself have already stated. As a figurehead, as a tourist attraction, as diplomats and as a final check on any evil genius schemes a British Vladimir Putin might have. Even that is a one shot weapon as the first time she tried to use it, you can bet it'd be taken away from her. In conclusion, British constitutional monarchistic democracy is a vastly different beast to other forms of government and I'd suggest you not make wild statements based on a foundation of apparently no knowledge whatsoever. You're incredibly naive about the nature of your own monarchy. No power? By virtue of their wealth, notoriety, and the fact they have legions of defenders such as yourself alone they have power. For one example of modern royal power in the age of the tourist attraction myth you should familiarize yourself with the story of Gough Whitlam, though I imagine you'll make excuses and ignore the implications of that story, or pretend it's a lone example, which it isn't. At no point in the history of the last ~100 years was the British Monarchy overthrown, and Edward VII's heirs, incompetent though some of them were, did not give up power out of the kindness of their hearts. One of the biggest myths in this world is that your queen is just a tourist attraction.

It's rarely the same people...

Yep.... It definitely needs to go. Easier said than done though. J.F.K. was seriously talking about doing so, and look what happened to him. He got shot by a random American commie. There's quite a bit more to it than that.

Yep.... It definitely needs to go. Easier said than done though. J.F.K. was seriously talking about doing so, and look what happened to him.

It's anything but funny, and if you think this stuff is limited to the U.S. government you're naive. In fact, if your government is a part of NATO, chances are that they directly supported some of this evil, and definitely indirectly did if not directly. Other nations outside of NATO were (and I'm sure still are) complicit in these evils as well, notably China (since you mentioned them) for one.

There is no evidence of this. But regardless of whether he was guilty of such a thing or not: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. and... and, if they happen to be working for the U.S. Federal government they should be fired/impeached and if in a part of the executive very likely tried for crimes associated with violating the 8th amendment with a likelihood of others as well.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong A lot of people fail to realize just what this means... Vals can you respond to my question so you don't keep making accusations against me " do you think Al-Qaeda committed 9/11" ? Ha! All in good time. I've had more important things to do, but worry not, I shall respond to your insincere question. Might be another day or three though before I have time to compose a proper response.

And my question to you is who you'd rather have at the apex of the legal pyramid. A career liar? A sociopath who wants to kill people who wear glasses for asking too many questions? I, sir, am an ardent Royalist. Not sure if you guys are really Royalists but I'm going to be honest. As an outsider who visits the UK, and can see how much the Royal family does for the UK generally on numerous levels, it always amazes me that there are people who live in the UK yet who don't appreciate the Royal family or treats them with disdain Royalists are the bane of freedom, the epitome of serf minded, the poster boys of the brainwashed.

Yep.... There are a lot of psychopaths out there if you haven't noticed. Your prince is one of them. "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation." - Prince Charles of Wales Off his head already, and his mum's too. Then perhaps the nation you live in will cease to be a nation of serfs. Oh, and don't forget his kids. They're a head too tall as well.

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong A lot of people fail to realize just what this means...