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No offense, but that's a pretty simplistic way of looking at life, humanity, or just biology in general. Altruism is an inbuilt imperative for many species, including humans.

Did I say it isn't?

I've always found that mindset eminently weird, given that the fact they could get ahead had just as much to do with the society around them than with their individual effort, so a reluctance to give something back to that society always struck me as extremely petty and small-minded. (Yes, I do pay taxes, thank you very much.)

No, but I also don't think my mother dying in a car accident is objectively worse than all other people dying in similar accidents put together.

If humanity collectively believed that, we'd still be living in caves, you do realize that, right? True, but denying the fact that jobs, living spaces, money, etc. are finite isn't going to get you far. Hard to prevent people from leveraging any advantage they have (proper or not, doubt we will ever all be saints), so it won't be really 'fair'. In terms of making it fair for starting points, I guess you could drag up the bottom ranks, so to speak - have to reprogram attitudes so that's not easy to implement. I do find it weird that people here seem to be alright with the idea of gradual progression for their loved ones (a generation builds something upon which the next generation can build more etc. ad infinitum) but can't seem to be willing to apply the same principle to a fair society. Yeah, sure, we can't build a fair society, but we can build a progressively fairer one. You don't stop trying to better the lot of your children just because they won't be millionaires in your lifetime, do you?

Little Timmy who wants his third yacht for Christmas. That's a sacrifice I feel willing to accept. [citation needed] So what, the death of a loved one is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic?

I never understood how people can unthinkingly parrot this phrase like it explained everything, instead of thinking "well then maybe we should bloody well do something to change the way it is". Changing the way it is wouldn't be fair. For whom?

If humanity collectively believed that, we'd still be living in caves, you do realize that, right?

I never understood how people can unthinkingly parrot this phrase like it explained everything, instead of thinking "well then maybe we should bloody well do something to change the way it is".

And you see nothing wrong with basically taking a giant verbal **** on people who weren't in a position to enter higher education? Your sheer arrogance is what pisses me off. In your mind, everybody who hasn't achieved what you have must have done so through some moral failing on their part, and not because you started out with advantages they haven't had. It's almost like you're incapable of understanding how little individual effort counts in the grand scheme of things, even when that individual effort is working to the brink of exhaustion. Did I say anything about helping? No, all I said was "maybe people who coasted through life thanks to the effort of their fathers and grandfathers have no business judging other people who come from a situation the like of which they haven't experienced, and especially have no business doing so by talking up the sacrifices of their fathers and grandfathers, because seriously how much of a dunderhead do you have to be in order to feel moral superiority over someone based on achievements you personally had nothing to do with?". But apparently that fancy higher education didn't help you much with reading comprehension.

Way I see it, what is is that personality cults are popular with people who feel powerless (which, given the realities of the current economical climate, I'd wager is a sizeable portion of the population). But that hardly means personality cults are right, or generally a positive thing to have.

Are you currently fighting for your country and "shedding blood and sweat, giving up your life" to build it up? Because otherwise I'm really not seeing much difference between you and the average refugee, and frankly, the sheer ballsiness of preaching about the sacrifices of "our fathers and grandfathers" while your contributions to your country amount to making angry forum posts about refugees fleeing from circumstances you've never experienced and probably couldn't even imagine astonishes me. i did work hard to get where i am, yes, and yes, i remember how my father also put effrot into buildign what we had, as well as my two garndafthers fighting in the war, so i can tell you keep your moral preaching for yourself and speak for yourself, if you so like to bend over, take them to your own backyard. Make your bloody mind up already, did you get where you are today because "you worked hard", or because you had what your father painstakingly built up during his life? (Also, I somehow doubt you'd remember your two "garndafthers" fighting in the war, given you haven't even been born at the time, but hey.)

Are you currently fighting for your country and "shedding blood and sweat, giving up your life" to build it up? Because otherwise I'm really not seeing much difference between you and the average refugee, and frankly, the sheer ballsiness of preaching about the sacrifices of "our fathers and grandfathers" while your contributions to your country amount to making angry forum posts about refugees fleeing from circumstances you've never experienced and probably couldn't even imagine astonishes me.

Eh, define "general". Fidesz cronies are obviously going to be spouting the "they're here to take away our jobs and defile our wymminz" rhetorics, but they're not exactly the majority of the populace. Isn't that kind of irrelevant? I mean, with a statement like his, it's clearly more about nationality and protecting one's own (rather than those on the other side of the planet) than ideology or religion or anything else, right? I'm not sure, only one way to find out! Hence the question.

I'd rather move away from personality cults tbh. The point is what is and not what should be. That's a weird thing to say right after you frame it as "the left better take notes".

What if it would only save the ones deemed "good" by your personal moral metrics?

Finally, somebody said it.

Well, it's good to know you're okay, in any case.

I have a hard time imagining that unless you were dating literal nazis, in which case that might have something to do with the problem. On the other hand, if that's true, you just managed to break up with a nazi! Good on you! Not really, petty cruelty is more of a me thing (the cat avatar isn't just for show, y'know). But hey, at least now you know how it may have felt to read your tranny comment in this thread. The "it's not particularly offensive, but why the hell would anyone ever use words for that purpose?" feeling. Anyways, in keeping with mod instructions, I consider this line of discussion now finished. You may take it to PMs if you want.

Gee, I wonder why. Is crypto-fascism and transphobia a turnoff with Finnish girls? What the **** is the matter with you? Do you also scold mothers while burying their children that they should stop praying because there is no God? Or do you dance around cripples who are in wheelchairs asking them to race you? But hey, if my failings in relationships makes you happy with glee, then you're welcome. Something something thicker skin, people on the internet are way too sensitive, I'm speaking Truth to Power etc. etc.? No, but seriously, it sounds like your life is not going too well at the moment, and I can't help but wonder whether your increasing wingnuttery is the cause or the effect of these troubles. You haven't been visiting any MRA blogs lately, have you? (Also worth considering: apparently the majority of those breakups haven't affected you on a deep enough level to prevent you from jumping into another - failing - relationship within a month, so comparing these failures to the problems experienced by grieving parents or disabled people strikes me as a tad tasteless, but whatever.)

You absolutely are! Although mainstream buddhists are quick to renounce those people as heretics. Gee, I wonder why. Is crypto-fascism and transphobia a turnoff with Finnish girls?

lol (No, seriously, this board has much more unpleasant posters than him.) The obs forum is a real pleasure, disagreeing with people is good, it would be hell of a boring if everyone went around agreeing with each other all the time. Now that I think about it, it'd make a great Monty Python skit having a world where no one ever disagrees....But there are some real cesspits out there, cd red's forums, codex, Reddit, 4 chan.... The list goes on. Obs forums, I think work well because the mods do a good job, but also I get the impression that the average age on the forums is, shall I say a tad more mature than many other gaming websites. I'm just saying, I had people (okay, one person) accuse me of sexually harrassing them with scatophilic PMs when they ran out of arguments. Zenbane's particular brand of unpleasantness is far from the worst this forum has to offer.

Mostly because I don't have to deal with poopoo from anyone but you alone. Even on the general boards. The politness around here is a small miracle on the internet, which makes you stand out like a sore thumb. lol (No, seriously, this board has much more unpleasant posters than him.)

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Heh, well that's surprising. Why? I generally make a point of saying "X [attitude] is racist", not "X [person expressing the attitude in question] is racist". Because claiming that the christian ethics, the concept of redemption and ethos, not to mention architecture and art having no bearing on the European heritage is wishful thinking at best. It did manage to screw up rather successfully how people relate to sex, I'll give you that. When I call people out on racist stuff they say, I rarely assume they did so maliciously. It doesn't make the statement less racist, though. Yes but alum if the person had no intention of racism it should make the whole thing seem much less of rude? It is less rude.