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If I had to go to France I would be a Kanadian with a grandfather that was in Normandy. I'm wearing a "PRESS" jacket at all times too. EDIT: After the elections there was a time I thought I was going to be in Germany, I was going to buy a "Kerry/Edwards" T-shirt and learn to say "Not my fault" and "I tried".

Ok, good

havn't we had a couple of threads about him before, or is that my imagination?

No, you gotta think big! Fallout Mini-Golf: A Post-Apocalyptic putt-putt game

Yea, um, maybe do this over on the Beth boards? but I still love you

Essentially, when people complain about lack of innovation, they want people to trying something new. Hence, innovation for the sake of innovation. but anyways, I'm not sure what the **** the topic here is anymore

Fallout will not reach commercial success as a 2-D top down RPG. While I would love to see them go the way of NWN in terms of game engines, that is still a major evolution. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sure, but the topic was innovation for the sake of innovation

I've never heard of anyone actually doing it, but it's prolly the smart thing to do in some parts of the world. Unless your from New York: "Hey, yo, can I like get a baguette or something over here?....eh?"

My guy Miguel will hook you up. Just start practicing your "Eh?" and know that rainforest don't have to be tropical. You should be fine.

are we saying that changing the FO formula in the name of innovative is a good thing? Last time I checked, the FO formula isn't exactly one that has been run into the ground. Innovation is needed in all these FPS on the market, not a FO RPG. I think "fine tuning" and "Minor evolution" are the terms to use for a FO RPG.

OMGWAD! Is that more rudeness?!?!!? I'll have you know my tourism dollars are going elsewhere!

^the band wagon I'm generally on

Huh? Is this because I came down a bit hard on Nick for some of his choices? I apologize if some of my criticisms sounded less than constructive. No ill will was intended. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was completely just kidding. Sarcasm was intended.

No. Trashtalking is part of rude people

It's been more or less strongly implied that it will be FP (just like Oblivion) and RT combat. and yes, especially till we play Oblivion, we're just guessing.

way to screw it all up enoch

and, in the end, isn't that what the Olympics is all about? Bringing people together? Who wants coco!

As long as they maintain the look and feel I'm happy. And thats perfectly fine. Doesn't mean those that demand other aspects out of a FO3 are wrong. A dev said to me one time (the words might be off but the context is correct): -Beth will likely make a fun and succesful FO3. The current "hardcore" base will not see it as a Fallout game tho.- and I get it, from a business stand point, it might be impossible for a successful (in terms of Beths previous succes) FO to be made with iso and TB. Doesn't mean people have to be wildly happy about the choices. Doesn't mean, even in "hardcore" eyes it won't be a good RPG. The debate will just be if it is a good Fallout and frankly, that debate won't really change anything. EDIT: I should note that the "The current "hardcore" base will not see it as a Fallout game tho" line cuts both ways and was originally a shot at those fans. Obviously those fans would be of a different perspective.

So RT combat isn't part of Starcraft or Diablo? I find that hard to believe.

Bungie? MUCH HOTTER. I'm not to bothered by Beth doing it as a company, not thrilled, but not bothered. I just don't like how they have handled it publically so far and the choices they have made. Doesn't mean I don't understand them.

Lots of reasons. Not the least of which is that the FO name is still pretty press worthy and the obvious value of having 2 series in your portfolio. Not to mention the time you would save licensing instead of making a new universe. I mean, why make GTA3 from the GTA series? EDITED

a 3rd person iso game is not fallout. Fallout is a setting and storyline, as well as a story style. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since this seems to be the crux of the arguement (that has been had a million times) let me jump in: Fallout IS in part a setting. It is NOT a "storyline". If FO2 took place on the east coast and had no reference (not that FO2 had a ton anyways) to FO1, it would have still been considered a sequel. FO to me is: Setting, TB combat, Nonlinear gameplay, Choices that matter, being able to play bad and good, SPECIAL, etc but Iso combat isn't on that list. It really isn't something that defines FO. The problem is, TB is. It is. There is a reason alot of TB games choose an Iso prospective. I've always viewed it like this: If I made Zelda a completely FP game, is it still Zelda? Would Zelda fans be mocked for getting (reasonably) upset about it? (I mean, they changed the art style of Zelda and people wanted blood) What if I made Starcraft 2 TB a la Heroes of might and magic? Or Diablo 3 TB? I do these things, but I called it "progress" or "evolution". Replacing the combat system is not an "update". Obviously at least some existing fans of the series would not be thrilled. Not only because of the changes to aspects of the game they enjoy, but because it is OBVIOUS that such changes to camera angles and combat style will have far greater effects than just combat. Now, sometimes fans think the changes work, see GTA3. That can obviously happen here. Sometimes, changing a forumla results in Master of Orion 3. That can happen too. So the game could be good, it could be bad, but what Beth is doing isn't the "evolution" of the series or anything like that. It's them reworking the FO series to fit what they know and the engine that they have (and frankly, it likely has more than a little to do with pleasing their existing fans, it's a business, they would be retarded not to). That doesn't mean people are irrational for not liking it. You would be irrational if you wrote the game of completely. Bottom line: Beth is making relatively drastic changes to what many consider to be one of the best RPGs of all time, and from the majority of things we think will remain form the originals, no one knows how those pieces will be used. It's up to them to show us that their changes and ideas work.

AICN post this fan alter image, I like it better:

Yeah, I don't like it. Both the design and the colors. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> agreed, it's crappy. It's bullet proof to an extent and can glide for awhile.