Drowsy Emperor

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/02/aesthetic-perimeter-eiffel-tower/

The point was to highlight the terrible standard of 'discussion'. A sentence full of slurs and accusations, inaccuracies and generalizations. If the opinions in the paper are on the same level as opinions in the pub after a few beers then its really not much of a paper at all. Whether its a report or an opinion piece is less relevant considering that someone still has to allow it to see print - and the editors are still responsible for it, even if they're hiding behind someone else's name.

No we don't. Socialism in Europe doesn't mean anything anymore. Neither does true Conservativism. All we have is the same centrist liberal parties and a few insignificant outliers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/civilities-why-milo-yiannopoulos-is-a-man-to-be-feared-its-not-what-you-think/2017/02/10/3bff3f8e-ef06-11e6-9973-c5efb7ccfb0d_story.html?utm_term=.f501e609e185 Washington post standards of reporting: "Yiannopoulos is one hateful fellow who is rightly called out as a misogynist, racist, transphobic and — oh yes — a self-loathing homosexual, and the alt-right is a small, far-right movement that seeks a whites-only state." Racist enough for WP, not racist enough to stop sucking black ****. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The Constitution constitutes more of a guideline. You can't expect the god emperor of trumpkind to be deferent to a piece of paper.

Its like a feat of multitasking, tongue has to keep talking while brain still back in pub sipping beer.

OMG, the cherry picking reporting on display here. I loved the two guys in front of the supermarket. Lvl 3 orc fighter and lvl 2 hobbit rogue in modern day Britain! http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/08/europe/europe-donald-trump-travel-ban/index.html

Christian culture has been in war with the Islamic world since forever. If it still held sway as it used to you would never be making that argument. In fact, your own ancestors would likely consider you stark raving mad for wanting to invite muslims into Europe. They enjoyed painting them, reading about them and superficial interaction but wanting to resettle them in the neighburghood was never on the table.

If that is sarcasm, I posted the results of a Chatam house poll. Hardly an alt-right news factory. (not that everything on Breitbart is wrong or fake)

Wow. The "Refugee Welcome" Austria on second place? Did not see that coming. Why not, maybe they remember their high school history classes. Education might still be a thing in Austria.

No, no - keep it coming, its all good. https://infogr.am/63af14ef-8711-4002-b384-e6058ce56643 Even Merkel has flipped, with the new "deportations, deportations, deportations" thing. Only in Germany can the chancellor get away with pushing an uncalled for and widely unpopular policy, watching it blow up in their face and then going into full reverse.

No, closet fascism is for those who don't flaunt it, I evidently didn't mean you. Problem is, historically the state has been one of the biggest, if not the biggest threat to those living under it, rather than their protector. And you want to give it even more power to do what it does best, kill, supposedly to protect you from some phantom menace that is about as likely to affect you as a lightning strike. See, the safeguards you see as "so much bull****" are there to protect you from the state, which is a much more ubiquitous and recurrent threat than "Islam". From those that historically have used political power to murder, imprison or ostracize massive amounts of people for arbitrary reasons. No, mate. Jihadis aren't going to "destroy teh west" or anything of the sort. If anything, I'm worried that you and the other useful idiots who believe that civil rights should be tossed aside at the first sight of an "existential threat" will end up destroying the defenses against state killings that have taken centuries and millions of deaths to establish. "Elementary patriotism" my ass. Little tyrants-to-be and xenophobes everywhere have tried to hijack the idea of patriotism for themselves, trying to paint those who wouldn't buy their scare stories as unpatriotic. What you are is a card carrying fascist, buddy. At least be honest and admit that not only you would approve crushing those you deem a "threat" to "the nation", but also anyone who opposes that sort of thing. Because by virtue of opposing it, they become a threat in turn. That's how totalitarianism works, and you can't have one without the other. So much verbiage, so little said. But then, thinking back, you don't actually have any solutions do you? All I've ever read from you is criticism. Everyone in favor of the nationalism is a "card carrying fascist", all the elites are "corrupt servants of corporate or foreign interests", the state is "the biggest threat to those living under it" - a dead end philosophy of either nihilism or implicit support for the status quo through inaction. No goals, no aims - not even the respectable commitment of the old left to fight and die for a new socialist or communist order. Not even ivory tower intellectualism, because even that can be productive in its own way. Just a permanent state of outrage. Yes, I'm very well aware of what the state is and what it can be. I don't even care for the state, its just a means to an end. Nothing made by men can be perfect, but, down the line - if it has to exist, it has to serve those who created it as a bare minimum. Nor do I care about Islam in the long term. Its just a nuisance, a painful reminder of how dysfunctional European society has become - that it has to scrape the bottom of the barrel of another civilization just to keep going. So easy to pour burning oil on anyone who puts himself out there isn't it. But, where are your goals man? What do you even stand for?

What will they do that's so terrible?

Fair point. Japan's miserable birth rates just prove that the current system is perfectly capable of eating itself out without internal or external enemies and that the problem runs deeper than Islam or migrants, or whatever. No dispute there.

So... you're suggesting that the German army should install a government friendly to German interests in Germany...? Okay boss. But I agree. A few extrajudicial killings by the FSB against the identified heads of a faction in a civil war after they were identified as actors in said war are not exactly relevant in a discussion regarding how to stop suspected jihadis before they can strike. I have a question, though. If it's irrelevant, why did you bring it up? The point is that there is always the same discussion. Terrorist act happens in Europe. Suspect was known years in advance to security services. Then there is an inevitable excuse why the services could do nothing about it until the whole thing blew up. But that's just it, the excuses are garbage. The could have outlawed salafism years ago, shut down the mosques, imprisoned those they have information on, deported them or, if all fails, just killed the worst of the lot. God knows history is full of all of this happening in "democratic" or "autocratic" states, regardless of the time and place. "Rule of law" and "due process" are so much bull**** - when states want someone gone, he's gone - the way the US straight up went to Pakistan and murdered Bin Laden. And the US is no more special than Russia or anyone else. And these are just the guys we know about because it was necessary to advertise their death for political reasons. As long as it exists, political will trumps law every time. The point is, there is no will in Europe to deal with this. It is persistently related to ordinary criminality instead of the flat out war that it is. Its always blamed on the unsolvable - ISIS, Al-Qaeda, some phantom somewhere that you can never defeat. All the while Bahrein, KSA, Qatar and the like legally pump millions into salafi training grounds in every European city and everybody pretends that there's nothing wrong. **** is so out of hand that the police don't even know what's happening in parts of Paris, Brussels, Sweden. They don't know, then they charge with SWAT squads to give the appearance that they have a handle on things - after someone has already died. A few months later, same thing happens again. Closet fascism? What a joke! I call it elementary patriotism. The state is there to protect and perpetuate the nation, not the other way around. What's the use of the state that is ready to sacrifice its own native population to pursue a destructive economic and socio-cultural experiment doomed to failure? How you see your state numbers man, I couldn't give less **** about but for mine, an untold number of people died to provide me what I have today. And I don't think it owes anybody other than those people and their descendants anything. Everybody else is a passerby, a guest, and if they don't like it - they can go somewhere else.

Yes. Generally you cannot keep a person detained indefinitely. Depends on the country, but for instance here the maximum is 72 hours. After that, police have to turn him over to the judiciary, which can imprison them pre-emptively, while an investigation of a crime is underway. You cannot keep people imprisoned indefinitely on suspicions that they may commit a crime. I know you did this with Japanese-Americans during WWII, but really, that's not how the civilized world works, anymore. Psst: Habeas Corpus edit: you are right, though. This isn't the last attack we'll see. Hmm, nope. Chechens stopped Chechen terrorists, after what amounted to a bloody civil war, with support from the Russian regular army, not Russian cyborg assassins from the future. Read up on the Kadyrovs. They installed a government friendly to their interests through force of arms. That aside, because its not relevant to the topic, the likes of Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev, Dzhokhar Dudayev, Shamil Basayev and likely Dokka Umarov didn't get rid of themselves. Their "due process" was usually something exploding them to pieces.

Yup. We tried that solution with our terrorists, and they were much easier targets, with an established infrastructure, defined hierarchy and targetable funding venues. Let's just say it didn't work very well, cost some political figures their careers -and long prison sentences- tanked the government, and ended up strengthening their cause. So the rule of law is "a technicality" for you. How very edgy. I think you may have watched too many Bourne movies. edit: he's not a confirmed jihadi _until after_ he has attacked. Until then, he's just a suspected jihadi. See the problem? Lol, just because you did a poor job doesn't mean its inherently an unworkable strategy. Russians eventually pounded the Chechens down into the ground - hunted down and killed many of their leaders. It took years and sacrifices, but there's no doubt who won that war in the end. And Chechens were far more capable and dedicated, with territory and stronger support than the handful of salafi cretins roaming Germany. As to the suspected vs confirmed, I guess the fact that he asked a police informant to acquire weapons isn't enough. But then, they actually allow preaching of salafism in the first place, so the country is hopeless to begin with.

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Of course its ridiculous to blame the migrants for rapes and theft, because the guilt lies in those who engineered their arrival and not the migrants themselves. This is the crime of the century, Europe wide - the migrants are just a side issue: Why have policymakers created a society that can't even manage to perpetuate its basic survival is the question of the 20th and 21th century Europe.

There is quite a bit of talking besides the point here. Merkel and Sweden (along with other European governments, but those are the two principal actors, and its Merkel that carries more weight in this matter) unilaterally imposed the whole refugee issue on Europe. There was never anything resembling a discussion or debate on what should or shouldn't be done. Not once were the questions asked, why is the EU responsible for cleaning up what is principally Saudi Arabia, Turkey's, Gulf States and US project of regime change in Syria. While some EU states are culpable of tagging along in the whole affair nowhere does it follow that several million muslim immigrants and refugees are somehow the responsibility of everyone in the EU. I am willing to bet that if the issue was put to a referendum it wouldn't have passed in any country in Europe save perhaps Sweden. Both politically and economically the whole affair was extremely irrational from the start. Yet it was imposed nonetheless. Now that the predictable results are coming to the fore people are understandably furious and lashing out because of their impotence in affecting policy. And for them, the unpleasant side of the law is somehow always very present. One word out of place on Twitter and you're in front of a judge and the next moment you're in jail. Your life is done, fired and blacklisted, not truly for breaking the law (that's an excuse, even if its true) - but for questioning policy. How efficiently the police works at F5ing twitter feeds. Where was that police when the massive sexual abuses were occurring in Cologne and other cities? Is facilitating an environment in which that is even possible not a crime? There is such a thing as political responsibility. And I'm not feeling much of it coming from the few key EU political personalities. No its just - we decided, get along with the ****en program. Maybe not everyone feels that way, hmm?

Are you Bruce's alt Ben

They probably lost a lot of time when the picked up the first guy. Now the culprit may be nigh impossible to find - he could easily be anywhere at this point. Anyway, the chance that he's not a muslim is about 0.00000001%. The only real (and embarrassing) question (for Merkel) left unanswered is if he's a refugee or a domestic.

I thought I was the only one who referred to the EU that way. I am not alooooone

That makes a disturbing amount of sense xD

Unless the Polish have decided to invade Germany this time around and subsequently commit seppuku, it probably is.