Drowsy Emperor

China would beg to differ... What's unreasonable about China? They built themselves up out of post WWII misery to a great power without exploiting, bombing or impoverishing half the planet along the way. Consequently they expect no one to go around telling them what to do in their own country, and ignore when others do. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Is this for real? I read that blog too, I presume its real. Quite insane to read about it happening though. It shows what happens when islamic immigrant population crosses a certain threshold. A similar thing is happening in Norway. Here is more: https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/11/08/update-swedish-police-release-extensive-report-detailing-control-of-55-no-go-zones-by-muslim-criminal-gangs/

Exactly, just like the English have tolerated the French, and the Germans... I wouldn't say that the cultures are incompatible, just that they are quite different in their perspectives and attitudes on certain things. As such, they need to develop ways to mesh together and find a balance. Unfortunately, the EU doesn't try that. It's a duct-taped monstrosity that evolved over time as a series of bureaucratic organisations between governments and now tries to apply a top-down "do what we say" approach full of red-tape. -- Then again, you do know why God made England so small? Otherwise we would have conquered the whole planet, not just run 3/4's of it for awhile. Lol, these were all states defined by their Christian faith, shared a common history and live in close proximity. Even with endless wars and conflicts, they are alike in many respects. Only a fool would think that the cultural distance between a Frenchman and a German is the same as between a Frenchman and a Pakistani.

What's wrong with immigrants are bad attitude? Clearly, there is no loss from not allowing them to come to Sweden. Whatever else you might argue for the "pro" side, the "contra" side has no negative effects. If Sweden is a democracy, and a lot of people don't want to share their living space with muslims from the Middle East, what about it makes them nutjobs exactly? From what I read the multi-culti mantra isn't doing so well in Malmo, maybe more Swedish cities should become like it?

That much of what is happening now is western doing goes without saying. Arab countries, Turkey etc. were on a firmly secular path once until constant political destabilization pushed them into the arms of fundamentalism. All countries targeted for regime change functioned as relatively secular dictatorships - Ghaddafi's Libya, Syria, Saddam's Iraq. Let's not forget how the government of Iran came about, or who supports the worlds biggest exporter of terrorism and fundamentalism (Saudi Arabia) without question. But even if it all is the doing of the US and the few EU vassals, the populace never actually supported these wars and what support there was was manufactured through lies and constant propaganda/indoctrination. The fact is that the EU population is a prisoner of its own elites, elites that follow policies that have nothing to do with the well-being of the people that elected them in office. Has no one noticed that regardless of the government, the political course of the large EU countries is always the same? Always the creeping neo-liberalism dismantling the welfare state, whether its the socialists or conservatives in office, always the same dogma of multi culturalism, often supporting US interventions without seeking the popular opinion. A democracy where all the choices lead to the same outcome is no democracy at all. I think that with this crisis we may soon reach a tipping point. It is not the elites that will have to live with these vagrants, its the average citizen, and if this thread is anything to go by, none of them are happy about it. Sweden is probably where it will burst at the seams, as they're a relatively small country that has imported an obscene amount of muslims, to the point that Swedes are set to become a minority in their own country in a few decades.

I don't know about role models but I could make you into a liberal piñata and hang you somewhere in Raqqa to see what happens

Vaclav Klaus, former president and prime minister of the Czech Republic gives a better summary: http://blisty.cz/art/78797.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Václav_Klaus I love that man, never heard him say anything other than the unvarnished truth. I don't know why every single party that's skeptical towards immigration has no chance to win elections (apart from unending and united media hostility toward them), I can't believe European citizens are so brainwashed. Logic: Syria is religiously and politically moderate (one of the few ME countries where Christians used to live without fear), reasonably independent. > therefore, US, SA, Turkey with tacit support from Israel arm Al Quaida and Syrian traitors in a bid to wreck the country > country falls apart becoming a warzone hosting a bunch of a savages that cut off people's heads that inspire an entire generation of muslims, local and western born to terrorism - making Bashar look like a saint > these savages are supposedly unbeatable, have an endless supply of everything, and no one knows where its coming from or who is supporting them and apparently can take air strikes from the worlds largest militaries in stride - thank god for pocket plane armies, teleporting supply shipments and cloning vats! and Twitter! > migrants from all over the muslim world materialize in Europe demanding asylum and welfare checks (feeling unsafe in Pakistan bro? mhm) > Europe is guilty for US sponsored wars therefore taking them in is the right thing to do > what you don't want to do the right thing? well **** you, you'll take them in anyway > half a million, or a million or whatever jobless, culturally incompatible, mostly uneducated angry young men dumped in the streets of Europe's capitals... what could possibly go wrong? > Syria still a dump without resolution, West forced to swallow their own **** and admit Bashar wasn't so bad after all, will eventually have to help him get the rest of his country back Summary: things come full circle except US meddling comes back to bite the servile Europlebs in the ass and yet another reasonably moderate muslim state has become a breeding ground for terrorism. FLAWLESS VICTORY! With leadership like that Europe doesn't deserve to exist.

already debunked I don't know about this particular case but there have been some arrests of ISIS terrorists infiltrating as immigrants.

Political authority stems from law. Serbia is a signatory to the Refugee Convention of 1951, which protects refugees from penalties derived from their illegal entry into other countries. So, no, there is no authority that allows border guards to shoot people seeking refugee status. They cannot be forcibly returned either. Not to mention it would be a pretty ****ty thing to do. Everything else you wrote after authority isn't relevant to the issue of refugees, really. There is no one to enforce international laws, especially against states that are powerful enough to habitually break them *cough* US *cough*. They are taken on the basis of free will, with the promise of "pacta sund servanda". This is a matter of national security that will have repercussions for years or decades to come. If states don't step up and deal with it, it will come back to bite them in the ass.

As far as I know its no theory - most of the migrants are coming from Turkey, which they have no real reason to leave. They are being spurred internally, but to be honest, it probably didn't take much as the land of multi-culti ignorance, aka Sweden and Germany did announce they would accept everyone.

If by "being let in" you mean not being shot on sight, then yeah, I suppose they are. What do you want, to torch 'em at the border a la World War Z? Sink their inflatable boats? Like shooting fish in a barrel, right? Whatever, everything that's worth saying has already been said to death. I just hope I'm never in a situation where I need to request refugee status on another country. Issue commands to the border guards to warn first, then fire into the air, then fire at them if they keep coming (if they're stupid enough to do it). A few will eventually do something stupid and get shot and then word will spread around and that will be the end of that. Case closed, problem solved. Why the **** is this so hard to grasp? The state exists to exert its authority, not to stand idly by as foreigners come demanding welfare checks, then their own mosque, political party, dress code, legal system and whatever else they fancy (lolollolo).

Yeah, because we had so much luck before with keeping Muslims out of our borders. Anything other then what we did would be giving them political ammunition to crucify us and I doubt that Hungary would even peep a word in our defense. So what. Its just words, its not like they can make us obey. Block the borders with army and police and make them take the longer way round or turn back. Now the government has received money from the EU for "camps". Why do you think they're giving us money? Because they're going to kick them out of Hungary/Austria and back to us. And then winter is going to come and the migrants are going to run out of travelling money and be blocked out of getting in the EU and what do you think will happen then? Hmm? Stay in Serbia where unemployment is 30%+, and do what, sell kebabs? No we're going to have rioting and violence and bull**** of all sorts and it could have all been prevented.

And all of them 20-30 years of age. Deserters and economic migrants. Not refugees. That entire line of thinking is nonsense. The war has been going on for half a decade now and the refugees are coming out of the woodwork now? Lol. Besides, I've watched real refugees stream into my country and unfortunately, I can now also see these people coming as well, as they've occupied Belgrade city center railway station/bus station. They're nothing alike. The media is full of ****. These people are well clothed, have the latest electronic gadgets and don't look in the least bit distressed on the whole. Most of them have been living decently in Turkey after getting out of Syria and have now decided that Swedish and German welfare is a better deal. Many of them are from Afghanistan and Pakistan where nothing of note has been happening to spur "refugees". The media are preemptively cushioning the anger of the public by creating a situation where these "refugees" are an issue of morality (look how sad they are, you have to help them) instead of economics and cultural incompatibility. They're fabricating the entire atmosphere surrounding the issue. All negativity is suppressed, videos of migrants rioting and being violent are limited to local and at most national coverage while overwhelming the global coverage with fake positive news "great welcome in city xyz for migrants" etc. etc.

Seems the service is not to his liking. "Refugee" in Hungary https://youtu.be/7GEaaxtTQ_4

So caring, so wonderfully moderate, with everyone's best interests at heart. Nothing worse than an intellectual trying to ingratiate himself with everyone. *sigh* Why does Europe produce so many of its own gravediggers?

The citizenry of the european countries is livid over this, but you'll never see that on TV. It is as I said on the other thread, its like the USSR pre-collapse: the official ideology is at utter odds with the opinion of the majority.

Hungary has basically fortified its border with Serbia, to no avail. There's just too many of them coming. A lot of them come in really crappy boats too, and the navies and coast patrols are over capacity just rescuing people from wreckages. And even then a lot of them just drown. It really is a ****ed up situation. Come on man, surely you realize they're being let in from the top. If a bunch of them were shot the way they would be on the borders of Saudi Arabia - they'd never even attempt to get in (why aren't they going there at all, hmm). They know they'll get in so they push until it happens. Numbers are completely irrelevant here, the lack of consequences is. Have you seen the immigrant rioting in Budapest and Greece? Do you think that sort of thing would fly in Europe of just a few decades ago?

I don't even need to say anything on this topic as everyone is well aware of my stance on Islamic immigration to Europe. That was my stance before this happened, now I've no words left for the suicidal, self loathing lunacy of European elites. Generations of men died in droves, fighting endless wars and battles, to keep Europe safe from Islam, including the Balkan states (of which Hungary seems to be the only one with any sense). Now, it seems, Europe doesn't have enough cultural identity left to recognize the old adage that history repeats itself first as a tragedy and then as farce. What's happening now is definitely farcical. Thus, Europe probably deserves no better than what's coming to it in a few generations when the newcomers multiply tenfold, filled with malice and hatred toward everything European.

Its interesting how powerful the pro-gay lobby is, considering how it seems they circumvented the entire opposition and pulled it off from the top. Judges of the supreme court no less. I wouldn't give the whole fad too much time though. The standard of living in the EU is on a steady decline, and the immigration-colonisation that's going on right now will stretch not only the public good will, but bring ruin to the welfare state Europeans enjoy. The disconnect between the European elites and the regular citizens has never been greater. You can even see it in the "refugee" coverage (refugees to Sweden's welfare indeed) where the media and elites are dogmatically pushing the sob angle (a significant number of them not even being from war affected countries, actually sporting iphones and not looking in the least bit distressed) while the public is frothing with rage over the en masse importation of uneducated, often violent (look at the rioting in Budapest, Germany) and fanatically Islamic hordes. The EU is essentially at the point where the USSR was before it imploded - the dissonance between what we're being told and what is real is reaching fever pitch. While the economy is good, people tolerate that sort of thing, but once the economy starts tanking it doesn't take much for the **** to hit the fan.

No, politically, its much better to force them to tear you down instead of stepping aside. The outcome is the same, but the former will gain you more exposure, support from like minded individuals etc. Either way she would be a hero to those who share her view. And you are right, the outcome will be the same. The licenses will be issued and she will still be gone. That means the big show and going to jail was unnecessary and IMO hurts her more than helps. I posted before that I think what she did, refusing to follow the law, was not a moral stand it was a selfish one. I don't imagine this is a person who dreams of holding higher offices and it's not for me to say if her Christian beliefs are genuine. But even if they are the Christian thing to do is to follow the law of step aside. Not to break it. In the end the only soul we are responsible for is our own. If you think gay couples who marry are sinning then that is between them and God. It has nothing to do with you. Jesus said "Render unto Caesar those things that are Caesar's and unto God those things that are God's" . Paul wrote "Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The biggest problem with the Christian faith I have found is that so many who claim to follow it know so little about it. What the Christian thing to do is changes with the times. The first Christians blatantly separated themselves from the laws and customs of the Roman empire tearing it down from within until the Romans rolled over. Once the faith became that of the upper classes then "Render unto Caesar those things that are Caesar's and unto God those things that are God's" became the new law. Never forget that the text of the New Testament was shaped over time, by the church, which is an institution of power interested in its own self-preservation and it would not, once established, like its followers to rock the boat. This doesn't invalidate the Christian teachings, but things have to be understood in their proper context and context is a fluctuating thing. Anyway, you could argue that a Christian shouldn't care about the laws of man as it will be God who will decide who was wrong and who was right when the time comes. On the other hand you could also argue that a Christian is obligated to try to shape his life and society in a way that would bring it closer to God, obligated to resist, to the point of martyrdom, what he/she views as wrong, as the first Christians did. Both perspectives are right in their own way. How this relates to what we're discussing depends on what's going on in her head, and if she truly believes what she says - and we can't know that. There is probably a degree of ego and selfishness in any martyrdom, in the way it forces the other side to react, but that does not necessarily invalidate it.

No, politically, its much better to force them to tear you down instead of stepping aside. The outcome is the same, but the former will gain you more exposure, support from like minded individuals etc.

Her private life has no bearing on the issue of gay marriage, which has much greater societal implications than a mere relationship between two individuals. And yes, for her to speak against the issue, knowing that the liberal media and individuals like you will do their best to drag up every mistake she made in her life to use it against her does take courage. Its so so easy to sit behind the comfortable moral relativism of atheism and talk **** about people.

Brave of her to take a stand, when all the conservative christian right (in the EU and US) does is watch and grumble as their countries are trampled over by the terror of political correctness and minorities that have outright usurped the political system to advance their agenda. In this particular case, I believe the dissenting opinion of the supreme court judge summed up the matter best. It has been "resolved" without true consent, in truth forced on people, so that not only is it a hollow victory - it will likely not stand the test of time. PS: we have indeed gone to the ****ter when Volourn is the voice of reason in a political thread. (:

I know the original source of this article and what they're omitting from it is that Russian intelligence received information that Yanukovich was to be ambushed and killed. They knew where and how, which is why they decided to save him. I guess that part didn't look as good for the muppets in Kiev so it.. slipped.. from this article. So let me get your logic straight, lets say you are correct and Yanukovich was going to get killed ( which I dispute ) Russia then decided to illegally annex Crimea and support eastern Ukraine militarily to break away from Ukraine? Is Ukraine part of Russia, the last time I checked it was a sovereign country and there is absolutely no legal precedent that justifies how Russia and has been interfering in the government of Ukraine So I don't get your point about "Yanukovich about to killed " is relevant to the current crisis? No.

I know the original source of this article and what they're omitting from it is that Russian intelligence received information that Yanukovich was to be ambushed and killed. They knew where and how, which is why they decided to save him. I guess that part didn't look as good for the muppets in Kiev so it.. slipped.. from this article.