BruceVC

That's a good question and one I'm glad you asked ( because most of the time I hate making a point where I offer too much information ) My issue with Trolling is more the indifference that we see from people in addressing it. So whenever someone is Trolling the typical reaction is " he is Trolling him, ignore him". There isn't really an attempt to condemn it or to take the person on, so now we know what type of personality defines a Troll that's an important step in people not just ignoring it but dealing with it So these mysterious people are anyone who allows a Troll to post what he wants with impunity. We don't see this typically on these forums but I have experienced gratuitous and unchallenged Trolling on other forums

That's an accurate and fair assessment of the NWN2 trilogy, nice post. And the dinosaurs were cool

Melk you have a good knowledge of games. I would love to do a survey on these forums to see who has played the most games in there gaming career and who has the broadest knowledge of different types of games. Of course it would be impossible to do because of all the variables but it would interesting to see

I just changed my password too, thanks Gorth

But maybe if people understood the personality traits of what constitutes a Troll they wouldn't be so keen to think that Trolling is okay. A Troll is basically someone who has several dysfunctional mental traits. Its something I would think people would want to change urgently and the article is relevant because its based on a real study and empirical evidence and not just what people think. So even though we all "know" what a Troll is this article substantiates our views

Yeah, I've got SoZ but haven't had the time to get past the party creation bit yet, didn't realise the strategic element was that strong. You've bumped it up my list to finally play. It starts out pretty cool, but ends up being very broken by the end game. Nah, that's not true. Its a good RPG, not excellent but good, and it has a very unique map system that spawns events and random monsters that is great fun. If you haven't played it yet you must

That was quite funny

s Monte lets not debate semantics around this issue, I think we are all in agreement on what the definition of a modern day Troll is? " A person who makes comments to upset people or get an emotional response but has no interest in really discussing topics or being constructive " I'm surprised no one has said " wow BruceVC that's an accurate description of a Troll...you are really insightful around this topic "

You made a very complicated question quite simple and said it in a way that shouldn't offend or confuse anyone but is very true, nice one Let it go people. It is no longer a debate. No matter what is said, no matter what polls are shown, no matter how much you moan, their is no romance in PoE. but..but..."hope springs eternal in the human breast"

I have to be honest, I've also never heard of it ?

I think the fact that you created a new thread instead of posting this in the current romance thread shows you wanted people to respond to it and why it didn't go into obscurity. You even said it here that you felt no one would have read it in the other thread. I can guarantee you this sort of post would have been read and replies would have ensued. Like waving a red flag to of a bull. I have to question why anyone would create another romance thread when it would just rile up the forum even more, which it did. If this was posted in the other romance thread, we would have seen the other thread locked by now (due to number of pages and this science topic) and this would have all blown over. While your OP may not have been a troll, It's very close to a troll post and one or two replies from yourself have been trolls when good replies have been given to you. If you're going to use a For and Against argument and bring science into it, you have to use it for both sides of the argument. Anyway, I've said enough. This is my last post on the matter and I'm out of here. I think some of what you said is unfair considering the several negative responses Nano has received, I feel he has been treated harshly. By your logic I could say " why don't anti-romance people leave this post alone and only post how much they dislike Romance in the other thread ? " Considering the fact there is a relatively strong movement of promancers who are active on these forums I can't see how a post discussing the benefits of Romance is inciting people to be critical of Romance? Especially when we now know there won't be Romance in PoE, let us have our discussions without it being seen as "waving a red flag in front of a bull "

I'm rooting for anyone to beat them. The tears flowing here would be awesome. You want your own country to be beaten?

I'm envious of people who are so skilled at DIY, nice one

You made a very complicated question quite simple and said it in a way that shouldn't offend or confuse anyone but is very true, nice one

So you take the parts where I say favorable things to your position and summarily ignore the actual criticism I mixed in, in hopes that you'd be more receptive to it if I put it nicely? No wonder you're still going at this. There's no way to get through that wall of denial, is there? Lurky you know I like you and I should have also added to my post that I apologize for jumping to some unfair conclusions around what you said But you must be missing something with my point, I know that Romance in RPG works and is becoming more and more mainstream in the games I play. I know I'm right, you should be trying to blow through that wall of denial that the the anti-romance army has built. That's your enemy , there is no denial on our side. We merely relay the facts on ways to enhance any RPG experience in a game.

I never said that all people in the BSN are like that. Of course there are many sane individuals in there who are not comparable to the Tali Sweat poster, otherwise the forums themselves would have imploded long ago (though I'd like to mention that the Mass Effect romance subforum got so out of hand that it did get close to imploding, and mods closed it down for that reason, so food for thought). The point is that some people like that can be found there, in opposition to the majority of the Internet who has no such individuals posting that kind of content so openly. The fact that the BSN can be grounds for that kind of content, the fact that it has an ambient where that kind of thing is merely "an extreme example" and not a complete deviation of the standard shunned by the rest of the community is what makes it noteworthy, and that is why it's mentioned so many times. I won't deny that there are people who do, indeed, use the infamous Tali Sweat post with the purpose you stated. Many of them have done so in these forums in the past. But that is not the purpose I intended, and I think I made that clear in my post: I brought up that example mainly because of the content of that post, not because of what it represented. I mentioned what it represented merely to show why it was rather famous and people had brought it up. You're right to say that some of its fame is undeserved, but you can't deny that there is a kernel of truth in it, either. Incidentally, I don't condone the pointing and mocking that some people have done of the people who had their hopes of romance dashed, either. I do believe that some promancers have been very blind to the reality, keeping unrealistic expectations and ignoring all the pointers indicating that what you wanted was never going to happen, but some of the comments thrown at you could be considered to be kind of cruel (or at least unsporting), considering that you're probably still feeling hurt at the news. I'd give them a spanking for not being nice, but alas, I'm not their mother That's a good post and most of it I agree with

That's an excellent and erudite post. Very well done

Then behold, because it can be found here. Enjoy your read. You may have noticed that the conclusion of that analysis was to say that Tali's sweat was pleasant and aphrodisiac and just plain better than that of humans. Basically, the post used SCIENCE™ to prove Why Tali Is A Better Waifu Than The Rest, in a context of fans talking and gushing about her character, which is why that post has become infamous and an example of lonely Bioware fans that have crossed the line into creepy obsessiveness. And now you come here and try to use SCIENCE™ to put having romances as a good thing, which is why the comparisons started coming up. Look, I can understand your desire to let it out and write about your feelings about this topic, because as time has shown people have a lot of strong and very different feelings about it. But you have to be mindful about what you're saying and where. You say that people over-reacted to your analysis and took it the wrong way. I say that what happened is because of your analysis itself, as it is faulty and misplaced. It's faulty because it's incomplete and biased, as Hiro Protagonist II pointed out, and i'ts misplaced because you put it in a forum where people just don't want to talk about this topic anymore. That is why you got that reaction. Hopefully it's clearer now. That link is nothing but anti-romance propaganda. Its typically used by people to raise how depraved BSN is, but it misrepresents the facts. Firstly there are hundreds of posts a day on BSN that are nothing as extreme as that and secondly there are many people on BSN who wouldn't make a post like that but they are supporters of Romance. So you can't use a post like that as a reason that Romance won't work in any RPG, its an unfair comparison to use an extreme view as if that's normal for your average promancer

Its an absolutely stunning day in Jhb today so some friends and I took a drive outside JHB to a really good restaurant called African Swiss, its owned by an Austrian expatriate and offers very authentic Swiss, Austrian and German good. I had a delicious Cheese Fondue

I joke all the time, but I don't see that as Trolling. I don't think satire or humour is Trolling as those things are generally not done with the only purpose to upset someone? In fact they are normally done for the opposite reason

I don't see Trolling as childish based on the articles definition. Troll is an unacceptable behaviour that needs to be condemned and attempted to be stopped. I see Trolling as form of anti-social behaviour so I can't see how we can just shrug our shoulders and say " oh well they are just emotionally immature"

I don't really have any difficulties saying that I do not go online with the purpose of trolling. What do you mean by trolling, though, since I wouldn't be surprised if we have different definitions. Does a sarcastic, snarky remark qualify? Or does it have to be actively posting in a particular way with the sole specific purpose of antagonizing others? Somewhere in between? I think the article is very relevant, and I find that psychological definition of a Trolls personality as accurate. My definition of a Troll is where someone makes comments not to engage in debate at all but where they just want to upset people and have no real interest in sustained debate. I also don't Troll This is different to where someone makes unpopular or untrue comments, like Oby, but does believe what they say.

No it isn't and no it won't. I agree with Keyrock total clickbait, unlike Bryy I have a lot of time for CDPR as with GOG and their unrivalled support of their games they seem to be the good guys (refreshing in this industry) but these articles are always utterly ludicrous. Edit: To be honest I don't believe the two titles will bear that much similarity, so I can't see where competition would arise anyway, though I can see a lot of Bethesda hikers being a little put out with a set protagonist and a story, choice and consequence heavy game rather than the usual accesible sandbox. The reality is that headline is misleading. Did CPR really say that so specifically in the article? I think the other information about the overall development around W3 is much more relevant and interesting

Sexy time confirmed. Someone get Bruce's attention. If they were going to clone a character from Mars: War Logs, I would have rather it had been Devotion. As an aside, I hope they get the voice over guy to do the narration for the game, because holy smokes that's a hilariously bad voice over. That does look good and it appears to tick many of the boxes that define a good RPG But that narrator did sound terrible

My dinner date went really well so we decided to go out clubbing, that was a good idea until I started drinking Absinthe shooters, bad idea. I ended up getting very sick and the toilet became my friend These things happen but the problem being it was my moms b-day the next day and she had planned a family gathering. They live 40 minutes drive one way and I genuinely didn't think it was wise for me to drive considering how poorly I felt. So my mom is understandably upset with me. I now need to redeem myself with her and my stepdad which I am going to do