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GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? I think the thing is it's innocent until proven guilty, not "not guilty" until proven guilty. Innocence assumes that the person "hasn't" done anything wrong while not guilty is a judgement of "didn't" do anything wrong.As to why she's there with them, the only difference is she hasn't been to court yet for some reason I can't fathom, even though there's tons of evidence available to the public that IF was used in a court of law, she would be found guilty. More and more, it keeps looking like this election is rigged. Okay, but aren't we debating semantics now because this is not about my definition which is based on South Africa crime which is at an unprecedented level I was told by you guys in the USA people are innocent until proven guilty, that concept is simple enough but Hilary has by your own admittance not been guilty in a court of law yet people are fine saying she is guilty. I dont see how she is different? okay, think of it this way for example. Person gets caught WHILE in the process of doing a crime. It's on video, several eye witnesses, the whole shebang. When brought into court to have the case taken care, the court isn't just gonna hand out a punishment and then move on. Innocent until proven guilty means that every citizen has the right to try their case and have someone PROVE that they did something.You knew the person was guilty before the trial, but at the trial, the person has to be taken as an innocent person to the court only UNTIL the court proves they did something wrong and then person who did it gets punished. It's not the public that is caged by the rule, but it's the law who is because they deliver the punishment. So yes I can says she's guilty and say it now and before and during and after the trial IF it ever does and to me she's guilty. I don't enforce the law, the courts do, so they are the only ones who have to view them as innocent when the case first starts because they are the ones who enforce and punish if laws broken LEGALLY. Sometimes the public has had to step rightfully and wrongefully, because the court system would rule them that way. I'm a bit stoned so hopefully this came out legible. I am also stoned so you making perfect sense, I organised some really good hydroponic weed. Its has this nice effect where you feel nicely but I dont feel dumb

Volo you should really learn to become a little more knowledgeable on topics you seem to dismiss Yes people can become gay through abuse, this not a hard concept to grasp...I copied this for you Here is the full link http://genderwholeness.com/lds/understanding/what-causes-male-homosexuality/ Sexual Abuse Summary: In addition to its potential role in conditioning sexual arousal, sexual abuse can create or intensify gender incongruity, disaffiliation from other males, and—if the perpetrator is female—fear or hatred of women. It may also create repetitive patterns of compulsive sexual behavior. Sexual abuse occurs when one person uses another for his or her own sexual gratification against their will or without their consent. It occurs when an older and more powerful child engages a younger or smaller child in sexual activity. And it occurs when an adult engages a minor in sexual activity or exposes them to sexually explicit material or language, with or without their consent. Consent implies the ability and maturity to understand what is going on and the possible con¬sequences of it. Since children do not really understand sexuality, they cannot give consent when an older person involves them in sexual behavior. Some examples of sexual abuse include: Being exposed to sexually explicit talk Being exposed by another person to sexually explicit material in magazines, television and video, and on the internet Being exposed as a child to sexually stimulating behavior by older people, whether male or female Being exposed to nudity or to sexual behavior between other people, such as seeing relatives naked or seeing parents or others engage in sex Being touched intimately on the genitals or other parts of the body Being asked or forced to touch another person’s genitals Being asked or forced to have sexual intercourse with another person Sexual abuse can contribute to gender incongruity. Sexual abuse can contribute to gender incongruity. Some boys who are sexually abused by other males wonder about their own sexuality. They know that males are supposed to enjoy having sex with females and so it becomes very confusing for them when a male seems to enjoy having sex with them. This is especially confusing if they became sexually aroused during the abuse. Most boys who are sexually abused experience tremendous feelings of guilt and shame. For some, that shame attacks their sense of masculinity, causing them to feel wrong as a boy. Sexual abuse can contribute to same-sex disaffiliation. Sexual abuse can contribute to same-sex disaffiliation. Some sexually abused boys become fearful of other males or angry and resentful toward them. They may lose trust in their father or an older brother for not protecting them. The depression, anxiety, shame, and low self-esteem often engendered by sexual abuse can cause them isolate themselves from normal activities with peers. And their gender incongruity may compel them to avoid connection with other boys for fear of being seen as “queer.” Sexual abuse can lead to compulsive relational and behavioral patterns. Sexual abuse can lead to compulsive relational and behavioral patterns. Some individuals who have experienced traumatic events or relationships during childhood will unconsciously create circumstances in their adult lives that lead to very similar traumatic events or circumstances. Psychotherapists refer to these patterns as “repetition compulsions.” These patterns can form in response to sexual abuse, resulting in adult sexual behavior that mirrors the abuse. It is believed that repetition compulsions are an unconscious attempt by adults to master or get control of childhood situations in which they had little or no control. It may also be an effort to resolve conflicting emotions around circumstances that elicited contradictory feelings, such as fear or shame and sexual pleasure. While this pattern is not exclusive to individuals with same-sex attraction, we have observed this pattern in the sexual behavior of numerous individuals with whom we have worked. If the sexual perpetrator is female, sexual abuse may create disinterest, disgust, fear, and hatred toward women. If the sexual perpetrator is female, sexual abuse may create disinterest, disgust, fear, and hatred toward women. In our experience, blatant sexual abuse of boys by females occurs only occasionally. More commonly, females sexually abuse boys in less obvious ways, such as having poor boundaries regarding modesty around the house—including dressing immodestly and leaving bathroom doors open—and having poor boundaries regarding sexual talk, such as mothers or sisters discussing their sexual relationships with a boy. Consider the following comments by Helen Wilson, PhD, regarding findings from long-term study on the effects of sexual abuse. “Findings from this investigation provide tentative support for a relationship between childhood sexual abuse and same sex sexual relationships, but this relationship appeared only for men. That is, men with histories of childhood sexual abuse were more likely than men in a control group to report same-sex sexual partnerships…[T]his evidence of a link between court-substantiated cases of childhood sexual abuse and same-sex partnerships reported by adult men 30 years later is a notable finding that adds to the literature on this topic…. However, the data available in this study did not provide information about when same-sex sexual attractions first emerged and whether this predated or followed the sexual abuse. We also do not know what characteristics associated with the abuse (e.g., frequency, intensity, duration) might account for the relationship with adult sexual partnerships. It is also important to note that very few participants reported exclusively same-sex sexual relationships. Thus, it is possible that childhood sexual abuse increased the likelihood that men would experiment with both same- and opposite-sex partners…. While this prospective evidence linking childhood sexual abuse to same-sex sexual partnerships in men suggests an increased likelihood, these findings do not suggest that same-sex sexual orientation is caused by child abuse.” Wilson, Helen W., PhD, and Widom, Cathy Spatz, PhD. (Jan. 7, 2009). Does Physical Abuse, Sexual Abuse, or Neglect in Childhood Increase the Likelihood of Same-sex Sexual Relationships and Cohabitation? A Prospective 30-Year Follow-up. Archives of Sexual Behavior, vol. 39 (1). Obtained from http://borngay.procon.org/

She also cant into pizza. http://thechive.com/2016/06/23/girl-is-baffled-about-a-simple-pizza-question-video/ This is interesting...so in fact she does this for fun? To entertain people

http://us.cnn.com/2016/06/26/politics/hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-polls/index.html A bit of good news for Clinton supporters , its at least predictable and I prefer that considering the BREXIT initial shock

Maybe you can share your insights on this, I'm intrigued by what by you find funny Firstly do you think its real? This is an important question as it will allow me to proceed with my next point

Some people become gay because of abuse ...its rare but it occurs so no they not all born gay

Its a good question actually, so the EU is a working union that is aligned to the USA and other West countries ideologically No President of any first world country or economist for that matter would ever suggest something where this a risk of it causing a real collapse within the EU, its just not what would be considered etiquette. You will always choose the option that has less instability So a person like Obama who is always expected to comment will go with the safe bet ...stay in the EU And once again Trump has found a way to annoy me with his populism and bravado http://www.alternet.org/immigration/trump-supports-brexit-uses-it-promote-his-golf-course-video

Its not like you to post these types of video because this is just a cruel generalization, that women comes as incredibly stupid ....seriously I feel embarrassed for her She is the worst type of person to somehow represent the intellectual reasoning for BREXIT So again this type of video will be used by people to say things like " ha ha...look how stupid people in the UK are " Do you think its fair ....yes she is hot but this is not about her looks But she did it for chickens and eggs, and she even accounted in bad things like not being able to go in Disneyland in Paris, because borders will be closed. So I think that video is most likely just someone making fun about leave voters, but the scary thing is that people seem to accept it as truth, which is something that isn't that great for democracy. I suppose so but if it really is a joke someone has got a very strange sense of humor because lets say it is a joke its aimed at suggesting people who support BREXIT are like her ....stupid But if its not a joke then her guy friend must be the most insensitive vindictive person to upload that video of her making a fool of herself I'm sorry if I seem to have no sense of humor about BREXIT , I admit I dont find anything funny about this as its serious to me

Nice, I have to be honest there are so many things I like about Denver..I'm sure I could live there

GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? Sure it does. But you are doing the exact same thing. For you Cosby was guilty without the court but now you need court to declare Clinton guilty. You are by far the number one hypocritical on this forum. Beside other horrible things that you are. Sharp_one maybe you and I just dont understand each other...let me ask you a few simple questions and please be honest because I want to help you When you were growing up how was the role of a women explained to you and nowadays what is your understanding of a womens role, so for example do you think the best place for a women is in the kitchen or maybe at your factories where the women love there asses being slapped ....remember that funny story Gay People : I'm sure this is a topic that terrifies you but its okay, dont be afraid of gay people, homosexuality is a type of sexual preference. The majority of gay people are born this way, my advice to you on this topic is the same ...you need to go to gay clubs and see what they like. You may find you really feel comfortable in them Black People : Did anyone ever explain to you that outside of Poland there are other races ...or did you assume that there was only race in the world which was white. I can understand this, it can be little daunting when you realize the world had many different races ..not just white So respond as soon as possible and remember I want to help you

GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ? I think the thing is it's innocent until proven guilty, not "not guilty" until proven guilty. Innocence assumes that the person "hasn't" done anything wrong while not guilty is a judgement of "didn't" do anything wrong. As to why she's there with them, the only difference is she hasn't been to court yet for some reason I can't fathom, even though there's tons of evidence available to the public that IF was used in a court of law, she would be found guilty. More and more, it keeps looking like this election is rigged. Okay, but aren't we debating semantics now because this is not about my definition which is based on South Africa crime which is at an unprecedented level I was told by you guys in the USA people are innocent until proven guilty, that concept is simple enough but Hilary has by your own admittance not been guilty in a court of law yet people are fine saying she is guilty. I dont see how she is different?

Wow you brave, what about all the Latino rapists and murderers that Trump has identified are prevalent in the USA and many will live there

Its not like you to post these types of video because this is just a cruel generalization, that women comes as incredibly stupid ....seriously I feel embarrassed for her She is the worst type of person to somehow represent the intellectual reasoning for BREXIT So again this type of video will be used by people to say things like " ha ha...look how stupid people in the UK are " Do you think its fair ....yes she is hot but this is not about her looks

GD I see a real inconsistency in this type of statement, help please to understand this Patraeus and Snowden have both been found guilty of certain crimes...this is fact. Hilary has been accused of crimes....why is she associated with them? When the Cosby rape charges were revealed I said he was a disgrace and he was guilty, I said for this type of crime I dont need a jury to pronounce on his guilt ...to me thats just a technicality I was told by several members that in the USA people are not presumed guilty and there must be a legal obligation for them to go to court before we presume guilt So now it seems people give this courtesy to a truly deviant and reprehensible person like Cosby but Hilary we assume she is guilty before she even goes to court .....do you see why I appears hypocritical ?

There should be nothing unusual about people getting genuinely upset about the UK leaving the EU. We really should not mock people who really may cry as this is just a normal emotion....remember this is not like in Oz where you guys send immigrants to jungle hellhole islands....and the only time you have to think about them again is where one of the immigrants sets himself on fire in protest Many people feel Oz is in contravention of human rights laws http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-22/human-rights-watch-scathing-on-australia27s-treatment-of-asylu/5212038 http://www.ibtimes.com/refugee-children-australian-detention-centers-subjected-sexual-abuse-denied-rights-1813728 But I do think the way these people in the UK responded was unnecessary. Why would they think they had to apologize to Italians because of the BREXIT outcome? Why are people ostensibly thinking people like Boris Johnson when he motivating leaving the EU said he plans to export any non-British people from the UK So even though I understand real grief they are unintentionally making the situation worse by suggesting the BREXIT supporters are racists ...this part below summarizes my concern Our social media feeds were full of similar anger and grief. Tearful emojis littered posts about people feeling physically ill and shocked by the result. Friends outside of Europe commiserated and asked “WTF Britain?”. Others in the European Union wondered if their futures were uncertain too. So what this tells me is these social media feeds and people are happy to admit there ignorance because for weeks the BREXIT supporters have explained and evangelized there views, it was no secret and the justification easily accessible. So anyone who really cared and wanted to understand this could just have researched this information but they refuse to accept responsibility for there own laziness And this last paragraph must be the most irritating, so old people my age cant possibly be looking at this BREXIT exit strategically ...no we must be racist, sexist and homophobic We worry that those same populists who were so key to this revolt will use their new found influence and justification to start targeting other freedoms the EU has been integral to achieving: LGBTI and women’s rights in particular.

If it's members don't bail out now and make it fall appart, there are about half-a-dozen if not more ways it steers towards collapse. With it's inability to decide anything about the refugees it turned to Turkey, which does hold the EU ransom now for more money to do what they want. Also apparently they've said they would talk about EU-membership, something they would never give to Turkey due to human right violations. Even making that offer is reason for concern. Then there's the war they started in Ukraine and the tensions it keeps poking with Russia. There's the economic instability (mostly hearing about Greece) where more and more money from it's member gets pumped into the EU itself to save it from the Euro falling economically appart. The amount keeps rising and rising to staggering amounts, and it doesn't help at all, no way it's going to hold out without fully draining economies. Schengen has pretty much collapsed due to inability to decide anything and countries had to take their own steps. All the big decisions? EU is useless and countries need to do it themselves anyway. Why pump billions into it if the best they can come up with is "seek it out yourself"?Their entire purpose for existance; they aren't doing. Yet it keeps needing more and more funds to not do it. While other economies long been past the economic crisis Europe still dragged on. Other economies bloomed again with devaluating their currency, the EU can't. Several economies survived by pumping money in, we HAD to lower our expenses, dragging on the economic dispair further. National budgets got really tight due to all the extra money that had to go to Brussel to "save the Eurozone", but still had to keep under that 3% which meant making local economies worse again. So no, I have no idea where you got "world's strongest economy" from, but those past 10+ years or so we've seriously hanged onto a thread of life, thanks to the EU. The actual ideals of the EU... that got wrecked by mismanagement, too rapid expansion (just allowing a lot of unqualified countries in cause they wanted to be big soon), less bureaucratic nonsense. It should be an agreement between nations for free trade, open borders and unity. Not Brussel nitpicking every single little thing, being dictatorish over everyone, sucking giant sums of money (for WHAT?) and in the end when things have to be decided like on economic reasons or the refugee issue is wholesome incapable and out-sources it again (for more money, yay!). Back to the EEG seems a good way, just economic co-operation, not this political one. There is no real "instability"... it's speculators going bonkers over something unexpected happening. That pretty much always happens, so it's not really too much of a concern. Specualators wanted them to stay, expected them and that hope raised the stocks, then when they got a cold shower it dropped again, but it's pretty much an equal balance in the end, so all the fearmongering is people having no idea how financial markets work taking it as "proof" (as always happens). The stocks already started rising steadily over friday, and they will do monday. We'll see a more accurate presentation mid next-week, then I can give you a proper report of the "damage" it has done, as this is just as much fearmongering as during the campaign was done (still waiting for World War III here). All the doomscenario's all assume a break would mean Brittain would have no trade at all, but that's fairly out-of-the-world thinking, rationality of course says the EU trading partners Brittain has will not stop trading since it would seriously harm themselves. The EU is cutting their profits enough as is with the stupid trade ban with Russia without going onto another trade ban, especially seeing how fragile and weak the Euro-economy is. If they would, it would just show how class-act the EU really is, and mean their own termination too. Wasn't going to happen.So yeah, I seriously doubt much will change for Brittain at all, as only speculative economies (which are pretty prone to heavy fluctuations) will change much, and they will veer back. Them having their own currency helps too of course. No it will be far more interesting and unpredictable to see what happens if the EU falls and the Euro dies to all of us here. There are plenty of doom-scenario's too of course (have to threatnen people to stay in the EU since, well, that's pretty much the best argument they got) most of them being around having a very weak currency and being a trading country. Funny thing being, a majorly export based trading country like the Netherlands will very much benefit from such a weaker currency. And if the biggest scare-tactics resolve around a threat of something happening that's actually beneficial to us? Yeah, not scared, let the EU fall. We'll survive, we'll be stronger. I don't want us to be like a communistic USSR country by the time the Iron Curtain fell, let's stay way ahead of that time. I appreciate your detailed response, these discussions are important as we get to exchange ideas and I really want to understand these points. The reality of any forum is people get involved in debates like not because they care about the UK or the EU but because they get entertained by spreading or increasing negativity I dont take it personally but this not some silly GG discussion or a hypothetical debate about " was Turkey justified in shooting the Russian plane down " .....this is in RL and is relevant and concerning to many EU forum members and to people like myself So I would hope and assume our forum members would be cognizant of this reality and not make posts that have no purpose but to exacerbate the situation...and yes some people do this on this forum But I need time to respond as you made several relevant points, I will update this later

Article 50 1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements. 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. 3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. 4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. 5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49. As UK may not give their notification until October and withdrawal agreement negotiations may take years, which means that it is quite possible that we have new European parliament before UK's agreements with EU end and they actually leave the union. But at least we should have couple fun years ahead of us. Hi Elerond How you feeling about Brexit....are you negative....unsure ? Your view on this matter is important to me because of all the interesting posts you make and effort you put in to your comments

I have no fear that Europe will be torn asunder if the EU falls. Greece, maybe, but they will become the better of it rather than being put on death's thread and not allowed to die by the EU for so long. I have little believe that the EU has any chance of saving, much like Greece, it just lingers on, un-death, barely above the brink of failing, but do so by pumping more and more money in it. It doesn't work, it just makes the corpse a more expensive corpse, and the fall the harder when it does spit it's last breath. Rather get out before it gets cataclysmic funds. Starting over will give a much better chance than trying to actually make something worthwhile of this horrid beast. We found the EEG before, we can do so again. And this time hopefully not get megolamaniac over addign as many countries in that are incompatible, starting wars if need be. Sometimes it's just better to have a clean slate. Rather than having to deal with several plates of **** before you can start the main course, the unlikely case you get that far. Come on, you cant be serious with this post? Is this your really your view... Okay lets say this is your honest opinion...lets break things down and hopefully we can dismiss most of what you are saying. Please understand this is not personal but finally I am seeing real concern about the EU from members, this is something I always thought was strangely lacking from the EU members so now for me its important we provide accurate views to people who do care and this post of yours really doesn't make sense little believe that the EU has any chance of saving : This is a huge statement, you must have a view of the next few things that will happen that will cause the EU to fail,can you share them ? . It doesn't work: What are your expectations for the EU that you say this ? The EU has always been about the free market and it is the worlds strongest economy. So hasn't it delivered on? Sometimes it's just better to have a clean slate : Why ? What you want from a new EU...please mention real points I'm sorry to seem to put you on the spot but I assume with the real instability of Brexit you have done research and can justify your view?

Guys for people on this forum who care about the EU this video is a perfect example of the type of anti-EU sentiment that exists and feeds on the real concerns of people Its really interesting to watch because of how it uses this spurious logic to try to undermine the EU yet he does make points that some people will believe I am keen if anyone believes anything in the video do you mind mentioning the point and what minute its on the video as I can honestly and reasonably dispute everything he says but I need examples

Volo please try show empathy towards what the UK and EU are going through especially since you claim to about the threat of Islamic extremism A persons opinion on matters like refugees and UK leaving the EU can be shaped and influenced by there real exposure to it So you are very fortunate, not only do you live in one of the worlds most stable, progressive countries you are also aligned to the West so you understand and support Western values Now your PM who you think is weak and a SJW Nazi is probably the best person to run Canada at the moment. I like him and what he stands for. He comes across as sincere but he is a real idealist ....he believes in certain things that would be dispelled if he lived in Europe and had to deal with the reality of radical Islam But so what, even if he is naive he really seems to believe it and his progressive attitude seems to work for Canada But anyway in closing you live in North Bay, Ontario. North Bay? As you know most people dont know or particularly about where you live, I had a view of North Bay as this rural, mountainous village where people still want Independence from Canada (isn't that what Ontario wants ) but lets say you gave them independence they wouldn't have a clue what to do next But the good news is if people dont care about North Bay than the chance of you being attack by extremists is almost impossible But I'm sure you can try to understand the reality of the EU and the threat it faces?

Dark I'm going to respond to this in detail Question : Do you care if you EU survives or fails and please be honest and detailed if possible

Thanks. I'd done that before. However it opened only to the $25k list. I did not notice the first time that one had to scroll left. Any idea what the asterisks represent? I can't seem to find where that's defined. First time I'd heard Assad called that. Though it's fitting. Israel would have offed him many years ago if they could have, and no doubt they've never stopped actively trying. Truly though, Assad falling would be very very bad for world politik given who wants him gone and why. Long live that guy indeed. And the Mossad can't get to their ultimate home in the deepest depths of hell fast enough. F them forever. From my experience with Excel and business, the asterisks are usually the result of a lazy import, meaning they used those as line breaks. But sometimes they botched up the macros and they remain here and there since the coder put exactly the amount of work into it as they paid him to. That doesn't exclude the possibility that they are references to an outside document though, so you have to take it as you will. As for Assad, i think i spotted that meme on Twitter and it simply stuck. Meshugger, the view that Vals and Oby have that Assad is a survivor and should be respected because he is important in some ME circles do you share that sentiment?

https://www.zomato.com/johannesburg/erwins-parkmore/menu#tabtop We went to this really good Swiss restaurant today for lunch and afternoon drinks, the food was excellent ...I had an excellent cheese fondue and the menu was very traditionally Austrian and Swiss and the owners are Swiss I'll be honest the decor was austere and vibe very formal and the various people in the restaurant all seemed very serious ...but we started drinking Tequilas almost immediately and our general vibe got more boisterous as we normally do ...it was a great day And when we left the manager told us next time we come we will get our own table in the corner as we made lots of noise ....I have been told that my whole life by some people so it just made me laugh as we are nosy but its not unreasonable

I cant be frank about that statement because its definitely not the only reason for Brexit, its only part of the controlling borders and access to the UK Also I'm not sure if you aware of it but that statement can also be unintentionally insulting to the millions of people who live in the UK who supported BREXIT. That comment takes the numerous reasons for leaving the EU and debases it to a simple " British people wanted to leave the EU because they are racists and dont like Muslims" I have heard that sentiment numerous times over the last 48 hours on various South Africans radio shows but the average South African due to 50 years of Apartheid has very little knowledge of social or political realities outside SA....and I am not being condescending the lack of insight is from our past But you seem to be a clever person who understands how to find information , I'm not sure why you haven't spent 3-5 minutes doing a bit of research. Read this link, I have summarized the relevant part to your question What were their reasons for wanting the UK to leave? They said Britain was being held back by the EU, which they said imposed too many rules on business and charged billions of pounds a year in membership fees for little in return. They also wanted Britain to take back full control of its borders and reduce the number of people coming here to live and/or work. One of the main principles of EU membership is "free movement", which means you don't need to get a visa to go and live in another EU country. The Leave campaign also objected to the idea of "ever closer union" and what they see as moves towards the creation of a "United States of Europe". http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887 Finally I am well aware of the various problems that exist within the Muslim world Its not just radical Islam but most Muslim countries need to become more progressive and be more inclusive with there citizens around economic opportunities The reality is the only reason we are seeing the majority of refugees is that they started coming from the Syrian civil war And the Syrian war was caused by the Arab Spring which was basically a movement where the Muslim citizens of various countries wanted more rights and a greater say in the economy So ironically the West and places like the UK has inherited the responsibility of having to integrate millions of people from conflicts that the West is not responsible for (unless you a conspiracy theorist who thinks the West caused the Arab Spring ) And whats worst for me is how many countries in the Middle East like the Sunni states have refused to house any immigrants ....and these are Muslim countries. Yet people like you and others make these cavalier comments like " the UK is racist and doesnt want to accept refugees " But fellow Muslim countries dont want to take responsibility.....you see the inconsistency But end of the day you cannot generalize about the whole Muslim community and say things like " Muslims are warmongers and want to conquer the West , its unhelpful and unfair as the majority of Muslims want the same thing everyone else wants ....peace and stability to raise there families "

I was hoping for this Why would you be hoping for this, Texas is never going to secede from the USA....surly people arent serious about this? You're my friend, so I'm holding this intervention out of love. surly adj 1. Sullenly ill-humored; gruff Surly people are always serious. Ask me how I feel about religion or Barti how he feels about mayonnaise, you will get a surly response. Thanks Mani, I have no issue with people correcting me who mean well and you always mean well but I want to share something interesting about these mistakes I make You may think this is just excuse but I am well aware my grammar is shocking, I still dont know the difference between their and there and at times I can see some overall structures problems in my posts Its not that I dont try to make posts grammatically correct its just that its not a big deal if they not For me only one thing matters when someone makes a post on a forum like this, can I understand them? If you think about it why would anything else matter, so spelling and grammar why is that a factor?