[Sex and video games]

My comment about Basic Instinct is that it's still 'meaningful' and it's still Basic Instinct if you edit much of the titilation out and merely allow them as suggestion.

We're running circles here. Read what I said earlier about Letters from Iwo Jima.

 

 

I conceded the point that they do enhance the film as entertaining. And that entertainment is the purpose and the true meaning of most films.

Yes. And movies are made by people, using tools. But let's stick to the topic.

 

 

It maybe could, if written properly enough and with appropriate changes to characters! But this in not a point I have any interest in making or arguing.

But I do! It's the wonderful game of "let's rewrite a perfectly good plot so that it doesn't need to include certain parts so my argument holds water!".

 

I tried, and this is what I got:

 

Michael Douglas would be the one in the left.

[Sex and video games]

In other words, you can't argue against my point anymore, so you're going to make multiple comments that have nothing to do with the point itself. Basic Instinct's performance between versions, an H-games status as pornography, and a point about movies I already gave a concession towards that you're still arguing for.

You conceded the point? Wow, then what was that comment on Basic Instinct about?

 

 

Nothing about this addresses the point that this supposed 'meaning' is just as trivial or true in videogames as movies. That was the meaning of the blanket statement. The importance of watching the sex acts in Basic Instinct is not more meaningfully important than staring at Lara's breasts.

No Tomb Raider games that I know of feature plots in which Lara's assets are of any consequence. This does not imply that a game cannot be made in which sex is an important part, much in the vein of the movie examples already provided to you.

 

But the plot of Basic Instinct would make no sense if instead of sex, they were having a passionate game of chess.

[Iran, the Lion, and the Rancher]

Don't forget the mind control.

[Iran, the Lion, and the Rancher]

Marx once thought as you do...

[Sex and video games]

This goes both ways. The same can be said of video games. Lara's breasts are pivotal to tomb raider. You're not arguing against my point.

I was not speaking about video games specifically, as I was just addressing your blanket statement earlier, and your nitpicking of Basic Instinct's box office performance and DVD uncut versions, between which, incidentally, you cannot establish a correlation.

 

 

And if a person enjoys some h-game, then where exactly is the contest to my point?

In a h-game, sex is not an important part of the plot, it is THE plot, gameplay object, and selling point. H-games are pornography, which is out of the scope of the discussion.

 

 

I'm talking about sex being "meaningful." Not simply entertaining. Unless you want to qualify entertainment as meaning. That I'll gladly concede.

Again, you could just read some movie's script and be done with it. But movies are eminently visual (wow!), and what is shown on screen is what counts. You can leave some parts to the imagination, but some, you just can't. Once more, it depends on how and to what extent the details are rooted into the plot.

[Iran, the Lion, and the Rancher]

Religion in of itself is a problem, but the Abrahamic religions are probably the worse of the bunch in the modern world. More evil and destruction has been done in the name of religious beliefs than any amount of good.

Again, only in times and places where ignorance is prevalent. In the West, we didn't eradicate religion. We eradicated (or greatly reduced, at least) ignorance. Starting to see a pattern yet?

 

 

Oh yeah, Einstein. One of the so-called greatest minds that gave us the atomic nightmare.

This is fallacious on so many levels, that I'm not even going to bother.

[Sex and video games]

Sex being fundamental to the plot doesn't mean sex scenes are critical to it.

Yes. Because you can cut sex scenes out of a movie in which sex is pivotal, just like you can cut battle scenes out of Letters from Iwo Jima.

 

Eh, if you say so.

 

 

The plot would have been served the same with fade to dark.

Yes, the plot would have been served the same if instead of going to the movies, you just read the screenplay, too.

 

 

Your enjoyment of the uncut version does not contest my point, either.

But it does, since that's the whole point of watching movies. Unless you do that to achieve some measure of higher enlightenment or something, in which case I'd recommend a different medium.

[Iran, the Lion, and the Rancher]

Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) and ignorance go hand and hand, n00b.

What nonsense is this?

 

Many intellectuals through History have been deeply religious, Einstein among them.

 

Ignorance only goes hand on hand with ignorance.

[Sex and video games]

Basic Instinct seemed to do fine in the US theatrical cut.

Yeah, so? Cut scenes or not, sex is fundamental to the plot there. And the uncut version is better overall.

 

Indecent Proposal?

 

What, want to discuss every example case-by-case?

[Iran, the Lion, and the Rancher]

Its the Islamic religion that is the problem.

Religion is just the scapegoat. Ignorance is the true problem.

 

 

There is a reason why theocracies are the worst form of government when it comes to civil rights and liberties.

Wrong, actually. "Socialist" totalitarian regimes are worse - by far.

[Sex and video games]

I haven't seen sex inserted meaningfully into any narrative. Book, movie, or game, it's generally only there to be titilating.

 

You mean an actual sex scene or sexuality?

The distinction goes both ways.

Yes. Because stuff like Basic Instinct and Disclosure can do without the sex just the same.

 

edited for accuracy

[Sex and video games]

Yes it's not that bad actually... or so I'm told.

[Sex and video games]

Fallout? I assume you mean the first game only...

[Sex and video games]

random: It's because in America many shops e.g whole Walmart refuse to sell AO rated games. This means lots of lost sales

 

Or that's how I remember it anyhow

Is that for real?

 

Wow, that explains it, then. If they don't sell porn flicks, they don't sell AO games, either. Makes sense, I guess.

 

lol puritanism

 

 

I haven't seen sex inserted meaningfully into any narrative. Book, movie, or game, it's generally only there to be titilating.

Yes, well. I'm sure everyone is familiar with the quality and consistency of the narrative of the majority of works in which (explicit) sex is featured... ahem.

 

Sexuality, however, is a central part of human behavior. And as such, it stands to reason that it belongs with the rest of social conducts commonly presented in narrative. There's more to sexuality than just the act itself.

[Sex and video games]

I was going to say exactly what Pidesco wrote, so I won't repeat it.

 

What I don't understand is the seemingly irrational fear of the AO rating. If we're dealing with a story with adult motives and adult themes, then chances are that a mature, sensible portrayal of sex isn't out of place. It's not the kind of game a dev would buy for his children to begin with, sex or no sex. So why, then, the fear of getting an AO rating?

 

It's a matter of time, I guess. When today's gamers are making laws tomorrow, something else will be The Book.

[Iran, the Lion, and the Rancher]

Oh, no. Hilde's going at it again...

[Movies you have seen lately]

What do you mean, more "respectable"? Given the situation of isolation in ToD, a (rather numerous) cult is a perfectly credible threat. As for interesting, well. I can't think of other group that's been used more to represent iconic evil as a whole, but that doesn't make nazis "interesting" by itself. More like the opposite, in fact.

 

I see what you mean about the lack of traveling in ToD, but the way I see it, it's just another plot device that can be used to spice up a story, not a must-have.

[Movies you have seen lately]

I just came back from the movies, watched Indy4. It was kinda... meh. It's perfectly possible that the movie just didn't live up to the unrealistic expectations I unconsciously created due to Indiana Jones being my favorite childhood hero, however. But it seemed... uninspired. Some scenes (chief among them the one with the nuke) seem forced and out of place. And I think they got the character management wrong as well, at the end it's just too many "good guys" that detract from the lead, and don't really add anything. Also, it seems that all that made

Marion

a cool character is gone. Finally, the fake russkies seem... too fake. I'm hoping my impression on that will change when I get to see a non-dubbed version. I can't seem to get enough of Cate Blanchett, though.

 

All in all, this is the weakest Indy flick to me.

 

 

Temple of Doom is much better than The Last Crusade.

Congratulations, my friend. You just won the Internets.

 

 

Finally, and I'm going out on a limb here, the reason why most people you know like The Last Crusade better than Temple of Doom is because it was the first Indy film most people your age saw in theaters. Feel free to lambast me if I'm completely wrong.

Haaahaha! Ouch.

 

But seriously, yeah. ToD is the perfect mix of silliness, adventure, and horror. Club Obiwan is probably the best opening of all four as well. Arguing that it lacks nazis and map overlay scenes is just nitpicking, really.

[Iran, the Lion, and the Rancher]

If fanning the flames of sectarian violence in Iraq makes a foreign nation a bad guy then the US and the UK get top honors for evil!

Aside from that - I think some facts would be good to back up assertions.

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Doublethink?

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Yeah well here's my take on them:

 

9/11 was an inside job.

The war on terror is bogus.

Its all manufactured terrorism.

 

The banksters are artificially propping up the economy, to give a bit more time to attack Iran after another round of inside jobs and false flag ops.

 

The schedule for the NWO has gone awry for Zionists and there neocon stooges. Its a lot harder for them to start WW3 Christians against Muslims while in the midst of a recession/depression.

Those are the premises for the upcoming Red Alert 3, right?

 

Cool beans.

[Iran, the Lion, and the Rancher]

In times of Universal deceit, telling the truth, is a Revolutionary Act.

 

-George Orwell-

Everybody has an agenda. Except me.

 

-Michael Crichton-

 

Also, "neocolonists"?

[master card moment]

Congrats, doc.

[Iran, the Lion, and the Rancher]

I want my two minutes back, please.

[Eurovision 2008]

You mean the cringe-worthy choreography doesn't bother you?

 

They are hot however, so all is forgiven. I guess the Czech have a rep to keep up.

[Scientists witness start of star's explosive death]

Edit: Also, I'm with Morgoth. I presume NASA will be making the pictures public. Will they be doing it on their site?

The article says it was only captured in x-rays. If they make any pics public, they'll be the artificially colored kind. Also, it says the sat was "blinded" at first, which may limit the amount of material available.

 

It'd be cool to have some pics, tho.

[Mod to keep the same clothing]

You could do that yourself, as it's a matter of copy-paste in the appearance.2da file.

 

Or just stick to regular clothes. It's not like you'd *need* anything heavier...