KingDiamond

You reload, I don't.

Permanent character death *SUCKS*. No. Yes. Wow, look. We accomplished so much. I just wanted to express my liking for permanent character death. Our actions and mistakes should have consequences.

Permanent character death *SUCKS*. No.

Yeah I have. Ciphers have basically three core roles: weapon damage, spell damage, and debuff/CC. Splitting the damage bonus between Str and Resolve means that ciphers are going to have to give up -- all else being equal and depending on stat spread, -- either about 20 to 24% of their weapon damage (if they drop Might to boost Res), about the same range of spell damage (if they drop Res to boost Might), or a corresponding loss to their CC ability by reducing their spell effect durations and areas (if they drop Int to keep Res and Might both topped off). There are other options also -- for example, as you point out, they can just not use the half of their power tree that does damage -- but if they do that they're surrendering a function (spell damage) that before this change they didn't have to surrender. They do get pick which class function they surrender but they have to surrender one of them. (Where "surrender" in this context means "take a 20% hit in effectiveness") That's presuming optimal play and stat allocation elsewhere and ignoring secondary effects (i.e., if Ciphers drop Might to boost Resolve, they'll lose focus gain in a corresponding proportion, etc.) Is not being able to have 18 STR AND 18 RES going to make it impossible to complete the game as a Cipher? According to some people around here it seems anything below 18 is garbage.

You're missing the point here. It doesn't matter whether it's by big or small numbers, spellcasters should not be tankier than melee classes. Period. But with new system they will be. You are assuming wrongly that all spellcasters have 18 resolve. Give 18 resolve to your melee character if you want them to have higher deflection.

I find it stupid that spellcasters will get a deflection buff basically for free because Resolve will be their highly recommended attribute, which in turn will make them better tanks by default than most melee classes, which in turn is illogical and breaks preconception that spellcasters should be squishier than melee classes. If deflection were to be placed into a more logical attribute like CON or DEX I'm all for it and will invest accordingly. They don't get a deflection buff for free, they have to invest in resolve. Spellcasters can choose intelligence instead of resolve or any other stats. A 3 points difference in deflection does not make you a significantly better tank. Not everyone will dump stats or max resolve or whatever. Some people like to roleplay instead of powergaming. Moving deflection to dexterity would be fine for me.

Basically they will make a game were you have to invest into something to be good at it and you think it's stupid.

In PoE my 10 might wizard never had any problem dealing damage. Stats are overrated.

It's good at first, but it has declining impact over the course of the game. And you won't be gimp if you don't take it. You can build a perfectly fine character without it.

Technically, I suppose we could. I would question, however, how much sense it would make. Let's assume Weapon Focus as it currently is becomes a general talent that everyone can take. +6 Accuracy at the cost 1 talent point would already be a pretty good deal; at the cost of 1 proficiency, it is a total no-brainer. Everyone who needs to hit their enemies (e.g. every non-support character who doesn't rely on spells to cause damage) would take it; not doing so would be willfully gimping oneself, which most players won't do (only veterans in search of a challenge via self-imposed rules would, in fact.) At that point, we have two scenarios: Everything stays the same (i.e. monsters are not rebalanced around the assumptions that most characters would have Weapon Focus.) This preserves the essence of the Weapon Focus talent, which is to give you an edge in combat versus the "normality" (which is not having a +6 Accuracy bonus on every attack.) However, everybody and their neighbor would take Weapon Focus because it's up for grabs at what amounts to no cost, and gives a very good advantage. Suddenly the game is too easy—and certainly easier than intended by the developer at any rate. Everything is rebalanced around the assumption that most characters have Weapon Focus in order to retain the challenge. This makes Weapon Focus a de facto must pick or you would be factually gimping yourself, since monsters' stats are such that you are expected to have it. Weapon Focus goes from being a talent you choose to gain an advantage to a talent you must pick to not be at a disadvantage. I'd say both scenarios are equally undesirable. Josh mentioned in one of the Q&A streams that for Deadfire they tried to limit the amount of things that could increase Accuracy specifically because it is such an important stat. Everyone would jump at the opportunity to increase their Accuracy, and it becomes harder for designers to balance the game and provide a challenge without being unfair to players. Now, let's assume you'd still give Barbarians an exclusive talent called Superior Weapon Focus that gives, say, +8 Accuracy instead. I see at least two problems: The game would still need to be balanced around the assumption that most characters would get a +6 Accuracy bonus, so my point about Weapon Focus becoming a must to avoid a disadvantage still stands. Barbarians would have a ridiculously high +14 Accuracy bonus from taking both, which would make them far superior to most other melee classes, if not all. The solution would be not to make the two stack; Barbarians would still get a +8 Accuracy for 1 talent point deal, which is a bit too good. Perhaps we could make Weapon Focus +4 and Superior Weapon Focus +6, mutually exclusive, to ameliorate the issue—but it would be too much work for too little benefit, imo, as the previous point would still be a problem. I definitely advocate for Weapon Focus to stay where it is now. It's OK as a Barbarian talent. Weapon Styles can become general if Fighters get something unique in their talent tree in exchange. Similarly, Bull's Will, Snake's Reflexes, and Bear's Fortitude should probably be general and replaced by something different in the classes that get them; and by all means, let's bring back the elemental talents for the general talent pool—they were flavorful and interesting, and it's a pity not to have them in Deadfire. Getting a +6 accuracy bonus from weapon focus will not have a significant impact on game difficulty. It did not in the first game. Why would it be different in Deadfire.

Killing mages in BG2 is simple: True Sight + Breach + hit them with non magical weapon = Dead mage. You could also use an Inquisitor and Dispel.

I'm talking about the food bonus. I have nothing against an injury system if there is some restriction on how to heal them.

This is complete bull****. One can roleplay PotD just fine. No needs for efficient choice in character design. So PotD is easy when you don't understand the game mechanics and pick abilities wily nily? I never said anything about understanding game mechanics. But you can pick abilities you like, what feel cool or in character without problem. No need for min maxing stats either. I would not say it's easy, I find the difficulty just fine when I play like that.

Do you mean Path of the Damned (PotD) or Pillars of Eternity (PoE)? But yes, with a Full Party you could totally go the non-optimal way in PoE with PotD difficulty. I mean Path of the Damned with a full party.

This is complete bull****. One can roleplay PotD just fine. No needs for efficient choice in character design.

Should it though? Dark Souls works but death is part of Dark Souls. Same in XCOM, Darkest Dungeon etc. Problem with IE games is that you don’t really want companions to die. Because they are written companions. They are kinda important. So since KOTOR2 RPGs move away from it because perma death in the kind of RPG is kinda stupid. In BG if your companion was torn to shreds and unfit for resurrection you would reload. You just would. So you were given Health/endurance which made dying possible but easily avoidable. He same is with current health system. Once you add that kind of resource management, tangible risk/reward it becomes different game entirely. A game I still like, but a game where putting lots of resources into creating and writing companions, developing relationship system is just misguided. I played BG without reloading when my companion died. It was way more fun than reloading. The thrill you get in combat is awesome especially when fighting hard hitting enemy like dragon.

Class balance and per fight spell might not go well together. Spells have to be weak if you can cast lot of them. Strong spell mean very few cast. Can they find an fun balance? They could leave spellcasters cast as much spell as in PoE 1 and as many spell per fight but then no more class balance.

The problem is that resting has a meaningless consequence because the bonus are not necessary. You lose something you don't need. If you get to many injury you will rest that's it. In the old system you lose a camping supply which you might need later and the consequence is you have to backtrack. It was not meaningless. Concerning getting rewarded for playing well that will make the game easier. You are doing good, let's make the game easier. This is not an issue that will make the game good or bad in my opinion but I think this system is pointless. No one is ever gonna die from injury you will rest before. They should just let you die when you reach 0 HP and remove rest, bring back something like the old system or find a way to limit rest.

yes, pink square after the update.

The incentive is to not burn through your high quality rations by resting all the time. We just don't have any food options implemented yet that aren't common and cheap. That is what the dev said. But I did not care at all about resting bonus in the first game because i don't need them to win. Why should I care about food bonus in this game if I don't need them to win.

What are the incentives to keep going? If resting breaking game flow is an incentive to keep going then backtracking being tedious is certainly a better incentive.

Because, as the community stated, it breaks the flow of gameplay a bit too much often. Besides, you can always rest if you wish, I merely suggested 2 ways to punish less a small mistake, while punishing increasingly more repeated misdoings. Why not bring back the old system with camping supply then. Backtracking to get more camping supplies would break the flow of gameplay way more than resting often. There is no consequence to the actual system because you can make injury disappear at will. At least before you had the consequence that it would be boring and tedious to constantly go back to buy more supplies. It seems that some people could not realize they should lower the difficult if they had to constantly do that. Now as a result we get a pointless system.

You should die when you reach 0 HP. That way instead of backtracking to get more camping supply people will backtrack to get a new companion. More seriously with an injury system people will just rest spam anyway. At this point they should just remove the resting mechanic.

Why should I not rest after every fight if the game allows it? Why would I continue with an injury?

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