Lucius

I didn't get it. ^_^

But you're quite happy for someone else to die instead. Colonel Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, [Lonewolf16]? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for [strategic miscalculations and collateral damage], and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That [the collateral damage e.g. Hiroshima], while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What's with this condescending (I like this word) tone? If he doesn't want to be a part of the military due to conflicting opinions then that is his right. I wouldn't want to go fight for Bush and Co. in Iraq either. Now if some nation or group was to attack 'my' country or one of our allies on their soil, then it would be a different matter entirely.

I think using 3 'roll eyes' emotes in one post goes against some sort of forum rule. Edit: As does spam... soo... :ph34r:

Ban plz. :angry:

Yes. That's right. Looks like you understand the situation pretty well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My friend cut his wrist what looks like 4 times to get out of afganistan, and then booked it to the US where he still lives 17 years later i believe. Is it still mandetory? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes it's mandetory in Russia, I think they get several years in the army if I'm not mistaken.

I'm too tired to wrap my head around 10 million dead chinese tonight, but let me just say we've had plenty of wars in Europe to learn about. Now that I think about it the entire Pacific theater has gotten surprisingly little coverage in my 13 years of schooling, and so I've never really had any interest in it either. Night night.

I'm just kiddin' ya with the smiley because someone once called it the condescending smiley, I just can't remember who did it!

It seemed to me that you were simply in a hurry to rid the allies of having committed any war crimes, by covering the place with civilian casualties statistics, most of which I've seen before, but it still didn't affect the point I was trying to make. I think the reason I didn't get your point was... well that I didn't think it possible that one could not want anyone tried for war crimes simple because everyone did it at one point or another. No I never heard about it. Not in elementary school nor in high school, not from movies or TV either, not even from my dad who is an expert military historian and 40 year navy veteran. Perhaps the European theater just covers most of the WW2 history part, as we actually do share a border with Germany, our only border to boot. Hell if I know, just tellin' ya the facts.

You are in fact a bit condescending I think, which was why I got a little annoyed earlier. You even use condescending smiley " "... (ok this part is just for fun... or is it? :ph34r:)

You're still missing my point Di, the Germans got tried for a lot of that horrible crap they did. Yet the allies got off clean, as if they were somehow the innocent angels who did nothing wrong. (you even try to make it sound like Dresden, Berlin the nuking of Japan... whichever, was 'okay' as opposed to what the Germans did) As for China, well I honestly don't know the first thing about what took place there. Never heard about it. But if what you write is true, then I honestly don't get why they weren't tried. Perhaps the Allies cared as little about what went on in China as the Danish school system.

Ignoring/ignorant, whatever your language calls it. My point is that almost the entire inner city was completely destroyed and around 30.000 civilians dead makes it pretty clear to me that this was, just like the nuking of Japan, a war crime. And don't think the allies didn't try to pin as much as they could on German officers after the war, perhaps not at Nuremberg, but over 1000 cases was made at the Dachau International Military Tribunal. And of course they did, they won the war after all, but we're looking back at it now and I think perhaps it wasn't all 'fair'. (of course I'm not talking about holocaust trials here)

Who's talking about ignoring it, they got punished already. Noone got punished for Dresden as far as I know. You're the one being ignorant right now.

But did anyone get tried for firebombing Dresden? Noone doubts that Nazi Germany started the whole, lets kill civvies thing, and many got punished for it after the war, some executed. If anyone did get jail time for Dresden, then it is clearly not anything I've read about.

Oh, a Greek would be up in arms over that statement. Alexander was born in Pella, present day Central Macedonia in northern Greece.

First thing is that I'm in the process of getting higher education and hence exempt for that time. But as soon as I finish my degree, I must go to army (unless I'm 27). That problem is solved with... ummmm... yeah... *cough* appropriate papers relating to my health problems *cough* <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah I see, one of my friends is doing the same trick. But here you can just cry "I believe guns are evil!" and get some sort of civic duty instead.

In an insane world, a sane man must appear, insane. - Golic, Alien 3. (the guy who then releases the captured Alien... irony)

Yes, exactly. How did you escape it, btw? (in case you haven't already stated it, if so my bad)

So. what did ya think?

That just makes ya wanna scream doesn't it. I once read something about Russian recruits having been lined up in the freezing snow without proper clothes, a few died as a result of this.

But.. but Greece had Alexander the Great. :'(

Perpetual youth, wish it was me, I feel old. *wheeeze*

I was in the army, even though I had drawn a so called "free card" meaning that I could avoid drafting if I wanted to. But I didn't, I wanted in... Wasn't quite what I was hoping for, guess I'd seen Black Hawk Down too many times, but our army was still stuck in Cold War era training and mentality... that and overt homophobia. <_< I hear people get killed in the Russian army training (or something like that), soviet mentality is not quite gone yet or what?

The others were referring to the kiddie on a bike in the background. Anyway, how old are you just for the hell of it?

He totally did man. Edit: Just to clarify, I'm 23. The kid on the bike is around 11.