The US Election 2016, Part IX

[Malcador]

Millenials are also likely to fall for BS online as well. I think that quote about knowledge vs wisdom applies, perhaps.

Edited November 8, 2016 by Malcador

[Guard Dog]

 

 

 

 

If Clinton wins, Republicans control both houses and Johnson gets 5%, I'd take that.

 

So if that happens what would that mean? Does that mean the Republicans can block any rule or law Clinton tries to pass?

 

Technically yes but she could also block anything they tried to do. At worst it becomes a total stalemate like it did for Obama. He ran absolutely roughshod over them for the two years the Democrats had full control. The Republicans were cut out of everything in a way that is unusual even in DC. It was made worse when that worthless bag of s--t Harry Reid changed the Senate Rules on cloture votes and essentially took away the filibuster. After that is was Democrat rule by fiat and some really, really bad things happened. Then the Democrats lost the House of Representatives in in 2010 and the Senate in 2014. Because Obama had treated them so poorly and was still overtly hostile to them the Republicans  were not inclined to compromise with him on much. And to tell the truth he had no inclination to work with them either so the whole government ground to a near halt.

 

A budgetary spending resolution still got passed. The essential tasks of the Government  were still accomplished. But very little in the way of legislation moved. Which s fine by me. I'd take that every time over what was going on prior to 2010.

 

Now with a new President and a new Congress the dynamic will be different. If Hillary Clinton is elected and is willing to sign bills she may not like in order to get Congress to pass ones she does she can probably expect to get 50-75% or her agenda through. That hard left and hard right bills will still be stopped. A radical leftist Supreme court nominee (Another Ginsburg or Kagan) would be stopped. So to answer your question it really comes down to how Congress reacts to how the treats them. If she puts their backs up she is in for a long frustrating four years. I say four because historically the mid-term elections favor the opposite party of the Executive. If the Democrats don't have control of the Senate by the end of the night they will not have it until at least 2020. The House is probably a lost cause for them for the foreseeable future.

 

This is a  very interesting post. But it concerns  me in the sense you could have this really frustrating stalemate and most US  citizens are sick of the impotence and lack of consensus in Congress, things seem to take a long time to get done 

 

So if I was her I would not try to implement  the very ideological controversial things like gun control and focus on fixing things where there can be agreement like Obamacare and improving aspects of foreign policy 

 

Bruce as to your first point you need to understand something. In 2010 & 2014 almost 200 million Americans (combined) voted in a Republican Congress to do exactly what they did: Stop the President. That is not dysfunction. That is the United States Government working EXACTLY as it was designed to work. Laws SHOULD be hard to pass.  The media has excoriated the Republicans but all they did was at the behest of the voters that sent them there.

 

As toy your second point if Clinton does win and follows that advice she will have a successful term. As long as she and her supporters understand that some 130 Million votes will be cast today, half of them will be against her. Success is not ramming your agenda down their throats. Success is getting most of what you want while compromising on other things. Obama never learned that lesson.

[redneckdevil]

Hence why I voted for a mostly republican senate and house, just in case Hillary does win. Check and Blances in its fineist.

People forget that both parties bring good things to the table and also some terrible and idiotic things. Making it hard, either forces them to compromise and work together OR make it where nothing gets done. Both are great things because either both parties get things done OR no one get things done which is also good because we as a country can basically run on autopilot for a bit, and sometimes that's what we need.

[Blarghagh]

I expect this thread to explode today so I'm closing it in favour of a new one. It'll come up in a minute or so.