USA : State of the Union Address

[Namutree]

Obola? That barely works at all.

 

Trust conservatives to throw away the one clever (albeit still incredibly stupid) pun of "Obamao".

That's too clever. Not many would get the joke. 

[Wrath of Dagon]

As the only President to intentionally expose his own people to a Class A bioterrorism agent (as classified by the CDC), he'll always be Obola to me. As far as Bush doing the same thing, not at all. From the link above "on the grounds that they infringe on presidential authority or violate other constitutional provisions" A President does not have to do anything he considers unconstitutional, unless directed by a court. Of course he should really have vetoed the legislation instead of adding a signing statement, but sometimes that may no be practical. Obola did not claim the laws he ignored/violated were unconstitutional, his usual excuse is that "Congress has failed to act" or "We screwed up, but I'll just fix the law by myself".

 

Edit : Hurl is right though, we do need a third party, although what he wants is probably diametrically opposed to what I want. The Republican scumbags lie and lie, then betray the people they claim to represent as soon as they get elected. It's unlikely I'll ever vote for them again.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Wrath of Dagon

[BruceVC]

As the only President to intentionally expose his own people to a Class A bioterrorism agent (as classified by the CDC), he'll always be Obola to me. As far as Bush doing the same thing, not at all. From the link above "on the grounds that they infringe on presidential authority or violate other constitutional provisions" A President does not have to do anything he considers unconstitutional, unless directed by a court. Of course he should really have vetoed the legislation instead of adding a signing statement, but sometimes that may no be practical. Obola did not claim the laws he ignored/violated were unconstitutional, his usual excuse is that "Congress has failed to act" or "We screwed up, but I'll just fix the law by myself".

 

Edit : Hurl is right though, we do need a third party, although what he wants is probably diametrically opposed to what I want. The Republican scumbags lie and lie, then betray the people they claim to represent as soon as they get elected. It's unlikely I'll ever vote for them again.

 

But on a serious note  if you don't vote for Republicans, and I know you won't vote for Democrats, then who would you vote for?

[Vaeliorin]

 

As the only President to intentionally expose his own people to a Class A bioterrorism agent (as classified by the CDC), he'll always be Obola to me. As far as Bush doing the same thing, not at all. From the link above "on the grounds that they infringe on presidential authority or violate other constitutional provisions" A President does not have to do anything he considers unconstitutional, unless directed by a court. Of course he should really have vetoed the legislation instead of adding a signing statement, but sometimes that may no be practical. Obola did not claim the laws he ignored/violated were unconstitutional, his usual excuse is that "Congress has failed to act" or "We screwed up, but I'll just fix the law by myself".

 

Edit : Hurl is right though, we do need a third party, although what he wants is probably diametrically opposed to what I want. The Republican scumbags lie and lie, then betray the people they claim to represent as soon as they get elected. It's unlikely I'll ever vote for them again.

 

But on a serious note  if you don't vote for Republicans, and I know you won't vote for Democrats, then who would you vote for?

 

There's a reason voter turnout in the US is so low, and not having anyone worth voting for is a contributing factor.

[Valsuelm]

 

As the only President to intentionally expose his own people to a Class A bioterrorism agent (as classified by the CDC), he'll always be Obola to me. As far as Bush doing the same thing, not at all. From the link above "on the grounds that they infringe on presidential authority or violate other constitutional provisions" A President does not have to do anything he considers unconstitutional, unless directed by a court. Of course he should really have vetoed the legislation instead of adding a signing statement, but sometimes that may no be practical. Obola did not claim the laws he ignored/violated were unconstitutional, his usual excuse is that "Congress has failed to act" or "We screwed up, but I'll just fix the law by myself".

 

Edit : Hurl is right though, we do need a third party, although what he wants is probably diametrically opposed to what I want. The Republican scumbags lie and lie, then betray the people they claim to represent as soon as they get elected. It's unlikely I'll ever vote for them again.

 

But on a serious note  if you don't vote for Republicans, and I know you won't vote for Democrats, then who would you vote for?

 

 

This last election, I wrote in Mickey Mouse, Daffy Duck, Yosemite Sam (for Sheriff), Goofy, and Bugs Bunny.

 

I had considered Marvin the Martian but he didn't meet the residency requirements.

 

It's too early to tell for certain, but right now it's looking like I'll be voting for them again next election.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Valsuelm

[ShadySands]

You didn't like Gary Johnson or one of the other 3rd party candidates?

 

I know I was going to vote 3rd party before my wife begged me to vote against Romney

[BruceVC]

 

 

As the only President to intentionally expose his own people to a Class A bioterrorism agent (as classified by the CDC), he'll always be Obola to me. As far as Bush doing the same thing, not at all. From the link above "on the grounds that they infringe on presidential authority or violate other constitutional provisions" A President does not have to do anything he considers unconstitutional, unless directed by a court. Of course he should really have vetoed the legislation instead of adding a signing statement, but sometimes that may no be practical. Obola did not claim the laws he ignored/violated were unconstitutional, his usual excuse is that "Congress has failed to act" or "We screwed up, but I'll just fix the law by myself".

 

Edit : Hurl is right though, we do need a third party, although what he wants is probably diametrically opposed to what I want. The Republican scumbags lie and lie, then betray the people they claim to represent as soon as they get elected. It's unlikely I'll ever vote for them again.

 

But on a serious note  if you don't vote for Republicans, and I know you won't vote for Democrats, then who would you vote for?

 

 

This last election, I wrote in Micky Mouse, Daffy Duck, Yosemite Sam (for Sheriff), Goofy, and Bugs Bunny.

 

I had considered Marvin the Martian but he didn't meet the residency requirements.

 

It's too early to tell for certain, but right now it's looking like I'll be voting for them again next election.

 

   " Mickey Mouse " 

[Valsuelm]

 

 

 

As the only President to intentionally expose his own people to a Class A bioterrorism agent (as classified by the CDC), he'll always be Obola to me. As far as Bush doing the same thing, not at all. From the link above "on the grounds that they infringe on presidential authority or violate other constitutional provisions" A President does not have to do anything he considers unconstitutional, unless directed by a court. Of course he should really have vetoed the legislation instead of adding a signing statement, but sometimes that may no be practical. Obola did not claim the laws he ignored/violated were unconstitutional, his usual excuse is that "Congress has failed to act" or "We screwed up, but I'll just fix the law by myself".

 

Edit : Hurl is right though, we do need a third party, although what he wants is probably diametrically opposed to what I want. The Republican scumbags lie and lie, then betray the people they claim to represent as soon as they get elected. It's unlikely I'll ever vote for them again.

 

But on a serious note  if you don't vote for Republicans, and I know you won't vote for Democrats, then who would you vote for?

 

 

This last election, I wrote in Micky Mouse, Daffy Duck, Yosemite Sam (for Sheriff), Goofy, and Bugs Bunny.

 

I had considered Marvin the Martian but he didn't meet the residency requirements.

 

It's too early to tell for certain, but right now it's looking like I'll be voting for them again next election.

 

   " Mickey Mouse " 

 

 

Typos happen. And 'Micky' wasn't auto-corrected.

 

Thanks.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Valsuelm

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

As the only President to intentionally expose his own people to a Class A bioterrorism agent (as classified by the CDC), he'll always be Obola to me. As far as Bush doing the same thing, not at all. From the link above "on the grounds that they infringe on presidential authority or violate other constitutional provisions" A President does not have to do anything he considers unconstitutional, unless directed by a court. Of course he should really have vetoed the legislation instead of adding a signing statement, but sometimes that may no be practical. Obola did not claim the laws he ignored/violated were unconstitutional, his usual excuse is that "Congress has failed to act" or "We screwed up, but I'll just fix the law by myself".

 

Edit : Hurl is right though, we do need a third party, although what he wants is probably diametrically opposed to what I want. The Republican scumbags lie and lie, then betray the people they claim to represent as soon as they get elected. It's unlikely I'll ever vote for them again.

 

But on a serious note  if you don't vote for Republicans, and I know you won't vote for Democrats, then who would you vote for?

 

 

This last election, I wrote in Micky Mouse, Daffy Duck, Yosemite Sam (for Sheriff), Goofy, and Bugs Bunny.

 

I had considered Marvin the Martian but he didn't meet the residency requirements.

 

It's too early to tell for certain, but right now it's looking like I'll be voting for them again next election.

 

   " Mickey Mouse " 

 

 

Typos happen. And 'Micky' wasn't auto-corrected.

 

Thanks.

 

 

No I didn't mean your incorrect spelling, I never correct spelling or grammar because my own grammar is atrocious.

 

I just found it funny that you pretended to vote for Disney characters

[Valsuelm]

 

 

 

 

 

As the only President to intentionally expose his own people to a Class A bioterrorism agent (as classified by the CDC), he'll always be Obola to me. As far as Bush doing the same thing, not at all. From the link above "on the grounds that they infringe on presidential authority or violate other constitutional provisions" A President does not have to do anything he considers unconstitutional, unless directed by a court. Of course he should really have vetoed the legislation instead of adding a signing statement, but sometimes that may no be practical. Obola did not claim the laws he ignored/violated were unconstitutional, his usual excuse is that "Congress has failed to act" or "We screwed up, but I'll just fix the law by myself".

 

Edit : Hurl is right though, we do need a third party, although what he wants is probably diametrically opposed to what I want. The Republican scumbags lie and lie, then betray the people they claim to represent as soon as they get elected. It's unlikely I'll ever vote for them again.

 

But on a serious note  if you don't vote for Republicans, and I know you won't vote for Democrats, then who would you vote for?

 

 

This last election, I wrote in Micky Mouse, Daffy Duck, Yosemite Sam (for Sheriff), Goofy, and Bugs Bunny.

 

I had considered Marvin the Martian but he didn't meet the residency requirements.

 

It's too early to tell for certain, but right now it's looking like I'll be voting for them again next election.

 

   " Mickey Mouse " 

 

 

Typos happen. And 'Micky' wasn't auto-corrected.

 

Thanks.

 

 

No I didn't mean your incorrect spelling, I never correct spelling or grammar because my own grammar is atrocious.

 

I just found it funny that you pretended to vote for Disney characters

 

 

I didn't pretend. I actually voted for them. And that wasn't the first time.

 

Truth be told I prefer Warner Bros' characters to Disney's, however Goofy is just too apt a character to serve in office, and there is no more iconic cartoon character than Mickey.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Valsuelm

[Valsuelm]

You didn't like Gary Johnson or one of the other 3rd party candidates?

 

I know I was going to vote 3rd party before my wife begged me to vote against Romney

 

Well, the last election wasn't a Presidential election. I only voted for local folks as there was nothing national on the ballot in New York, nor will there be this next election.

 

The previous Presidential election, I wrote in Ron Paul.

 

I'm not too keen on Johnson. He's a helluva a lot better than any of the majors I'll give you that, but he's still kind of a slimy politician, and he's naive on monetary policy and international affairs. I actually liked him for a long while, but after he became a Presidential candidate I looked into him a bit more and didn't like what I found, so he didn't deserve my vote.

 

A vote 'against' any candidate by voting for the major party alternative is worse than not voting, voting for someone you believe in that's very unlikely to win, or writing someone in (what I usually do, since the big parties have made sure there's no 'none of the above' option in mine and most states). And this is unfortunately the trap that so many (probably the majority of voters) fall into. 

 

I know more people who voted against Bush than voted for Kerry (and vice versa), voted against Obama than voted for Romney (and vice versa), voted against McCain than voted for Obama (and vice versa), etc,  and I'll wager that most of the people here that live in the U.S. can say the same. I was guilty of doing this when I was much younger as well, but then I realized all the problems with it.

 

Here's a few:

 

- You legitimize the two party system, basically perpetuating it's solid grip on U.S. politics

- Whoever you vote for is going to use your vote to say 'I have the backing of the American people on this' (this being X (usually some hellish thing you wouldn't actually support if asked)). And a lot of other people are going to believe him, because he can point to getting X number of people's votes that all said they wanted him to be President.

- By not voting for who you actually want, even though they are unlikely to win, you're perpetuating the inability of candidates outside of the two party system that you actually like to win.

 

 

I'm gonna stop here, because really, I could spend a few hours writing on all the things wrong with voting for 'the lesser of two evils'. But I'll sum it up this way:

 

For at least the last three U.S. Presidential elections the two major choices could be likened to this:

 

You've got two daughters, you love them both. There's a well dressed guy with a gun to one's head, and an equally well dressed guy with a knife to the others throat. The evil men in nice suits tell you to choose. Which evil do you choose? Which is lesser?

 

The answer is you choose none of the above and find another way.

 

And that's pretty much the difference between the major Republican and Democratic Presidential candidates (and very often Congress and the Senate too, but that varies) these last few elections. The only real difference is the flavor/color/sound/etc of the absolute BS train to hell they're offering.

 

Unfortunately, of the Americans who actually vote (which is a minority of Americans), too many have been duped into thinking that one major party is actually better than the other. On all the major issues they are the same. 

 

They both support the wars, they both pander to the banks, they both have been hijacked by internationalists, they both put the people who bought and paid for them above their actual job, they both piss and poop all over the Constitution, they both want to rob you of your hard earned money and spend it on all sorts of things you couldn't find a single American out there with a smidgeon of brain that would support even half of it, they both lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie, all the damn time, and so on.

 

So don't vote for the lesser of two evils. Please. You're just perpetuating the BS if you do. If you want actual meaningful change (not the superficial crap 'change' Obama was peddling), vote for who you believe in, whether it's Gary Johnson or someone else. If there is no such person, write someone in (real, or as a protest vote as I do). If everyone did that, the Democrats and Republicans would become as the Whigs within a decade. If not enough people do that, we're just going to get more of the same as we've been getting.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Valsuelm

[ShadySands]

I actually agree with most of that but as they say, happy wife happy life

[Wrath of Dagon]

But on a serious note  if you don't vote for Republicans, and I know you won't vote for Democrats, then who would you vote for?

Well, we're not required to vote, so why bother? You can vote for the enemy, or you can vote for the traitors who'll deliver you to the enemy, that's not a choice at all. May be the Conservatives will split off and form their own party if they don't get their Presidential nominee, supposedly 25-30% of Republicans are ready to leave. At least there'd be a choice then, and may be a tectonic shift in American politics, which is long overdue, both parties being so unbelievably corrupt.

[Namutree]

 

Well, we're not required to vote, so why bother? You can vote for the enemy, or you can vote for the traitors who'll deliver you to the enemy, that's not a choice at all. May be the Conservatives will split off and form their own party if they don't get their Presidential nominee, supposedly 25-30% of Republicans are ready to leave.

 

They can form a party bashing the dems for being socialists while pushing for the never ending expansion of state power and the rejection of property rights.

 

"Conservatives" indeed. Good riddance if they go.