Capitalism is un-Christian.

[Oblarg]

Heh, this thread is awesome. People saying they have real evidence that God exists yet can't show it, all these right wing idiots writing history again to suit their opinions better and then there's this guy who's smarter than anyone else in this thread yet is a Soviet Union apologist and hardcore communist...

 

God damn you americans are entertaining.

 

I never said I had real evidence of God's existence. I said I know that God exists due to a personal experience. Two completely different animals, Lare.

 

Oh man, it's the "personal revelation" again. Tell me, what differentiates your revelation from a hallucination? If I had a hallucination in which a giant bunny rabbit told me that he controlled the weather, should I believe it?

[Junai]

It's true! Jesus said: "I'm sorry, I cannot heal your pre-existing condition. You'll have to pay out of pocket!"

 

[/poor attempt at humor]

 

Also, before the Dalai Lama ran from Tibet, his oracle described the red ideology, i.e. communism as a form of degeneration.

Free unregulated capitalism, and total regulation through communism are both idiotic systems. A fist that is constantly open is as deformed as one that is always closed.

 

 

J.

[I want teh kotor 3]

There were no internal travel restrictions in the Soviet Union. You could take a vacation and go to just about any part of the country (except for certain restricted zones).

So? The government could also kill or rob you at a whim.

 

 

there's this guy who's smarter than anyone else in this thread

 

I highly doubt he's the smartest person in this thread. Just saying.

[lord of flies]

So? The government could also kill or rob you at a whim.

So can the government in the United States?

 

There was a study done of (IIRC) 10,014 reported cases of police abuse, where only 10 or so had significant punishment (significant punishment being one week's suspension without pay or worse). If a police officer shot and killed you, it is extraordinarily likely that he or she could get away with it.

 

As to "robbing you at a whim," have you ever heard of a little thing called imminent domain?

 

Edit: Also, even during the Stalinist purges, there were actually trials (by the troikas), even if they were "show trials." That's fundamentally different from "at a whim."

Edited January 2, 2010 by lord of flies

[I want teh kotor 3]

So? The government could also kill or rob you at a whim.

So can the government in the United States?

 

There was a study done of (IIRC) 10,014 reported cases of police abuse, where only 10 or so had significant punishment (significant punishment being one week's suspension without pay or worse). If a police officer shot and killed you, it is extraordinarily likely that he or she could get away with it.

 

As to "robbing you at a whim," have you ever heard of a little thing called imminent domain?

 

Edit: Also, even during the Stalinist purges, there were actually trials (by the troikas), even if they were "show trials." That's fundamentally different from "at a whim."

 

I have three really freaking big letters for you. Ready? Good.

 

KGB

[lord of flies]

I have three really freaking big letters for you. Ready? Good.

 

KGB

I have three really freaking big letters for you. Ready? Good.

 

NSA

[Killian Kalthorne]

Oh man, it's the "personal revelation" again. Tell me, what differentiates your revelation from a hallucination? If I had a hallucination in which a giant bunny rabbit told me that he controlled the weather, should I believe it?

 

You can believe me or not. I am not going to try to convince you one way or another. That is your choice.

[I want teh kotor 3]

I have three really freaking big letters for you. Ready? Good.

 

KGB

I have three really freaking big letters for you. Ready? Good.

 

NSA

 

Right, and the next time the NSA kills me for not agreeing with the government, I'll let you know.

 

EDIT: In regards to the imminent domain thing, LoF, when the government in the Iron Curtain wanted something, they grabbed their AKs and shot you. When the American government wants something, they go through a bureaucracy. It takes a while, usually amounts to nothing, and, perhaps most importantly, doesn't end with corpses.

Edited January 2, 2010 by I want teh kotor 3

[Killian Kalthorne]

Imminent Domain is not an instant affair, LoF. It takes months and months of red tape and even then once it is complete it is no guarantee that US government gets the property, and if they do they are forced to pay a fair price for the land. These aren't show trials at all, LoF. Nice try, you lose again.

[lord of flies]

Right, and the next time the NSA kills me for not agreeing with the government, I'll let you know.

The next time the KGB kills me for not agreeing with the government, I'll let you know.

Imminent Domain is not an instant affair, LoF. It takes months and months of red tape and even then once it is complete it is no guarantee that US government gets the property, and if they do they are forced to pay a fair price for the land. These aren't show trials at all, LoF. Nice try, you lose again.

The USSR was not Stalinist for its entire existence. Learn About Reality.

[I want teh kotor 3]

Right, and the next time the NSA kills me for not agreeing with the government, I'll let you know.

The next time the KGB kills me for not agreeing with the government, I'll let you know.

 

Are you out of your freaking mind??

 

[Killian Kalthorne]

It was at its start which set its precedent for such matters. Communism is the enemy of freedom, LoF. Always have been and always will.

[lord of flies]

It was at its start which set its precedent for such matters.

Um, no, it wasn't at its start, actually. Learn About Reality.

[I want teh kotor 3]

Learn About Reality.

 

Right. You're definitely one to talk. Because Communism hasn't failed in each and every implementation attempted.

[Killian Kalthorne]

You are the one in la-la land thinking that Communism is a good thing, LoF, when all evidence shows otherwise.

[Oblarg]

You are the one in la-la land thinking that Communism is a good thing, LoF, when all evidence shows otherwise.

 

 

What an intelligent post! You deserve a medal!

 

"la-la land." Honestly.

[I want teh kotor 3]

You are the one in la-la land thinking that Communism is a good thing, LoF, when all evidence shows otherwise.

 

 

What an intelligent post! You deserve a medal!

 

"la-la land." Honestly.

 

 

That post shows more intelligence than any of LoF's post's.

[Oblarg]

You are the one in la-la land thinking that Communism is a good thing, LoF, when all evidence shows otherwise.

 

 

What an intelligent post! You deserve a medal!

 

"la-la land." Honestly.

 

 

That post shows more intelligence than any of LoF's post's.

 

"Communism is bad" is not an axiom, nor is it a very informed viewpoint. So far, no one but LoF has done anything to support their views other than overuse meaningless anecdotes and strawmen.

[I want teh kotor 3]

You are the one in la-la land thinking that Communism is a good thing, LoF, when all evidence shows otherwise.

 

 

What an intelligent post! You deserve a medal!

 

"la-la land." Honestly.

 

 

That post shows more intelligence than any of LoF's post's.

 

"Communism is bad" is not an axiom, nor is it a very informed viewpoint. So far, no one but LoF has done anything to support their views other than overuse meaningless anecdotes and strawmen.

 

Drugs are bad, mmkay?

 

Believe it or not, just because you agree with LoF doesn't mean that everyone else fails at life. LoF just tells everyone they're wrong, but never gets around to explaining why. I, at least, explicate why I think Communism needs to go die in a fire.

[Killian Kalthorne]

My examples of why Communism is bad are China, North Korea, and the Soviet Union. They are oppressive authoritarian governments that gave little thought of freedom and human rights to the people they govern. Read up on the Tienanmen Square Massacre, sometime Obbie.

Edited January 2, 2010 by Killian Kalthorne

[Oblarg]

My examples of why Communism is bad are China, North Korea, and the Soviet Union. They are oppressive authoritarian governments that gave little thought of freedom and human rights to the people they govern. Read up on the Tienanmen Square Massacre, sometime Obbie.

 

"Some communist governments are bad, ergo communism is bad."

 

You're not too bright, are you?

 

Oh, and China isn't communist. At all.

[Oblarg]

You are the one in la-la land thinking that Communism is a good thing, LoF, when all evidence shows otherwise.

 

 

What an intelligent post! You deserve a medal!

 

"la-la land." Honestly.

 

 

That post shows more intelligence than any of LoF's post's.

 

"Communism is bad" is not an axiom, nor is it a very informed viewpoint. So far, no one but LoF has done anything to support their views other than overuse meaningless anecdotes and strawmen.

 

Drugs are bad, mmkay?

 

Believe it or not, just because you agree with LoF doesn't mean that everyone else fails at life. LoF just tells everyone they're wrong, but never gets around to explaining why. I, at least, explicate why I think Communism needs to go die in a fire.

 

Assumptions, assumptions, and more assumptions.

 

I never have said "I agree with LoF," nor do I agree with LoF. I enjoy debunking your horrible arguments just as much as he does, however.

 

You obviously aren't reading LoF's posts if you think he doesn't back up his opinions. You, however, rely on non-sequitur appeals to emotion with your tear-jerking anecdotes about how communism is evil and kills people.

[Killian Kalthorne]

"Some communist governments are bad, ergo communism is bad."

 

You're not too bright, are you?

 

Oh, and China isn't communist. At all.

 

I am not the one resorting to personal attacks which usually means the one making such attacks don't have a real argument in the first place. If you are so smart name one nation that is communistic that has all the freedoms that a US citizen has. Show me how smart you are, Obbie.

 

Just name one.

[Oblarg]

"Some communist governments are bad, ergo communism is bad."

 

You're not too bright, are you?

 

Oh, and China isn't communist. At all.

 

I am not the one resorting to personal attacks which usually means the one making such attacks don't have a real argument in the first place. If you are so smart name one nation that is communistic that has all the freedoms that a US citizen has. Show me how smart you are, Obbie.

 

Just name one.

 

Personal attacks are only fallacious if presented instead of an argument, not in addition to an argument. I clearly stated why you're not too bright directly above the aforementioned insult. The insult may be "unsportsmanlike" etc., but it's certainly not a reason to discredit the argument.

 

And your anecdotes are irrelevant. We're arguing about the merits of ideal communism and capitalism - the current state of each in the world today is irrelevant. Furthermore, you don't even seem to correctly grasp what communism actually is - it is not, as you believe, "the government taking everything you own and having to wait for the government truck to dish out your resources." Such a view is naive to the point of stupidity.

[Killian Kalthorne]

I don't go by ideals. I only go by what is real. In an ideal world with butterflies and bunnies no one would ever die, and we all be happy as gumdrops. First and foremost this is not an ideal world. Ideal forms of communism and capitalism do not exist. I look at what does exist and only that which exists, Obbie.