Judge Hades Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 (edited) I know exactly what I am saying and the 9/11 attacks were indeed tragic, especially those involved but I will not live my life in fear. Not in fear of terrorists and most certainly not in fear of our government. Restrcting our rights, our freedom, is not only an afront to those living today but those who have died to protect the lives those living today and our rights and freedoms. Edited August 25, 2006 by Judge Hades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krookie Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Pixie and Hades, you both have a valid point. I understand that maybe this phone tapping thing will be a complete screw up, adding to the list of things-that-went-wrong-for Bush...But let's say it does work? It has the potential to save a lot of lives. I know it could go either way, and only time will tell which way it'll go. Until then, we here at the Obsidian Forum can't do much but sit back and watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I know exactly what I am saying and the 9/11 attacks were indeed tragic, especially those involved but I will not live my life in fear. Not in fear of terrorists and most certainly not in fear of our government. Restrcting our rights, our freedom, is not only an afront to those living today but those who have died to protect the lives those living today and our rights and freedoms. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did you see (and like) V for Vandetta? "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I haven't had a chance to see it yet. I have heard a great deal of good stuff about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 The interesting part about this is what makes all the world leaders join in on this craze for surveilance? Swedish Minister of Justice Thomas Bodstr DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Couldn't they use a Cray styled super compter that has been programmed with an aritifical intelligence (as close we can come) to monitor for and identify key phrases in certain languages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krookie Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 It probably wouldn't be to hard to program a computer to alert the FBI everytime the words "I'm going to blow up..." were mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I haven't had a chance to see it yet. I have heard a great deal of good stuff about it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> See it whenever you get the chance. It's right up your alley...in a good way. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 It probably wouldn't be to hard to program a computer to alert the FBI everytime the words "I'm going to blow up..." were mentioned. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's not that simple, though. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krookie Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 "We have the technology!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I dont know about voice-to-text for computers but I do know that if you, for instance, write "Ayman Al-Zawahiri" or "ammonium nitrate" in an email or messenger, that email will likely be logged in whatever Echelon-like database your country is connected to. Which is a system that was hyped back in the late 90's but is in reality completely ineffective due to the enourmous amounts of crap they need to wade through in order to find anything real. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 what you are saying is that you would rather have your phone calls to your family, or friends be private, then see 2000 more Americans die? You won't be singing the same tune when one of those 2000 people is someone you know. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> read George Orwell's 1984 Krookie.. it gives a good example of how bad a surveillance society can be.. Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krookie Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I don't read books that I wasn't alive to see released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 .. I don't even have an answer for that... Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Posted August 25, 2006 Author Share Posted August 25, 2006 .. I don't even have an answer for that... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I don't read books that I wasn't alive to see released. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think you just made Baby John Milton cry. :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krookie Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 What? I-don't-read-books-I-wasn't-alive-to-see-published. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 1984 is a good book. It also had good points. however, it is a book of fiction. It is also describing a 'worst case scenario' situation. Going by memory (as it's been awhile); but that should not be sued as some prime evidence why a contorlling gov't is bad. Heck, it's best to point to real world situations where controlling gov't = bad. As for the issue: I'm 50-50. I value freedom big time, and I don't think the gov't should be listening on my sex talk conversations. That's just not right! But, if they need to jerk off while I';m doing it over the phone to save 2000 lives; be my guest. Within reason. they shouldn't moniotr random joe blow; but actual suspects (how to determine them is a whole 'nother issue) are free game., DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I also meant it as a worst case scenario .. but of course, it wasn't mean as any kind of proof that totalitarian goverments are bad.. they just usually are! What? I-don't-read-books-I-wasn't-alive-to-see-published. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What I meant was.. what kind of attitude is that? you are thereby disregarding some of the greatest books ever written.. with themes and ideas, very much relevant today! Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krookie Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Harry Potter's the only book(s) for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 (edited) You need to read Paradise Lost. NOW! After that you will read some Jane Austin and Anne Bradstreet, then Edgar Allen Poe, George Orwell, and Issac Asimov. Oh, must not forget the Apologies of Socrates by Plato. Edited August 25, 2006 by Judge Hades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 1984 is a good book. It also had good points. however, it is a book of fiction. It is also describing a 'worst case scenario' situation. Going by memory (as it's been awhile); but that should not be sued as some prime evidence why a contorlling gov't is bad. Heck, it's best to point to real world situations where controlling gov't = bad. As for the issue: I'm 50-50. I value freedom big time, and I don't think the gov't should be listening on my sex talk conversations. That's just not right! But, if they need to jerk off while I';m doing it over the phone to save 2000 lives; be my guest. Within reason. they shouldn't moniotr random joe blow; but actual suspects (how to determine them is a whole 'nother issue) are free game., <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I wouldn't worry Voly. Nobody is going to listen to Canucks' conversations. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baley Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Hey, Krookie, since I've got nothing better to do and love making lists, here are 5 books I'd definitely recommend, Fyodor Dostoevsky - The Brothers Karamazov (or Notes From The Underground) Mark Twain - The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn Knut Hamsun - Hunger Ernest Hemingway - The Sun Also Rises (Fiesta) Louis Ferdinand C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionavar Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Congratulations - a thread prune ... The universe is change; your life is what our thoughts make it - Marcus Aurelius (161) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 I don't read books that I wasn't alive to see released. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Assuming you are serious, and I don't believe you are, there are ways and means around your fundamentalist viewpoint. How about Melvyn Bragg, 12 Books That Changed the World, published OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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