erm how the hell did exile get the ebon hawk

[Jediphile]

Goddamit - how I loathe this bloody quotation system that won't allow me to post more than a few quotations before it decides to bollocks it all up!!!! Someone begs to be put against be put summarily before a firing squad!!!!!! :angry:

 

Anyways...

 

Oh, I must have remembered it wrong. It does happen...  :">

 

Nah, there must be some other explanation...

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Right. A few options:

 

- Yes

- No!

- I wanted to confuse the enemy.

- "To get to the other side"

- "42"

 

 

The logs with regard to the Ebon Hawk are contradictory. The bridge logs state the Ebon Hawk was empty. The medical logs state (mild paraphrasing, didn't write down if she actually said "Ebon Hawk" or "freighter") "everyone on board the Ebon Hawk was dead" hence there were people on board.

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Yes, but there is also the possibility that those people were sith who boarded the ship.

 

That also doesn't explain how Kreia nor that extra dead body just lying there got on board the Ebon Hawk .

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Could have been a sith boarder or a crewmember from the Harbinger trying to escape the sith assault on the Harbinger, and he was killed when the Ebon Hawk was crippled when it tried to escape. Perhaps the life-support system was hit and he suffocated, while we know that Kreia could have simply used her Force Breathing technique.

[Zelean]

Okay, I'll put this forth. Why would Atton want to have anything to do with a Jedi? You see how freaked out he gets about being around just Atris. Sorry, I just can't see him as Coorta's contact. It just doesn't fit.

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Atton may not like Jedi, but he doesn't freak out when near one (Exile, Kreia, the masters). Extra-careful, pretentious, deceptive, yes.

 

It is interesting that he does freak out on Telos, though, where we begin the journey of learning his troubled past.

a) Perhaps because he was caught off guard since he didn't know of Atris and her academy? But then, why would just-another-jedi-more matter to such a simpleton he pretends to be?

 

b) What was there something about a defensive stance? When asked about his Echani training, Atton freaks out more than in any other situation I can remember. I suppose this is just another glimpse in Atton's content that was cut. Still, I believe it was to be an important arc in his troubled past storyline. Hmm.

I wonder if this was supposed to be funny :

"{X-Box Live}I'm Atton. I actually wasn't supposed to make it into the final game, but I was created at the last minute. Blame my agent. I was actually slated for a spin-off to Jedi Knight, but I don't want to talk about what happened there."

 

c) Considering that we then learn that his specialty was assassinating jedi, it's just too convenient (for me) to believe that he just happened to be on Peragus. Frankly I find it silly to believe that the emergency lockdown would keep Atton safe from HK.

 

Personally I like the idea of Atton working for Sion best. Honestly, both characters represent ambivalence (wanting the force to live vs. to die). I mean, just look at Sion: his very flesh is torn between living and dying.

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Does Atton become all uptight on Telos because there's something between him and Atris? Considering you never see the two together in the game...

[Sturm]

he never mentions atris, and he never meets atris

[Hekate]

where he drugs her (somehow her clothes vanish in the process [unless she was stashed in the Harbinger in her underwear]). Then they see the beat up Ebon Hawk and beat up Sith warship (and seeing from the clutter in the prologue, there was more than T3-M4 and 3C-FD on board).

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First, the Harbinger didn't "see" the beat-up Ebon Hawk - they received a distress call from it. The Captain mentions in his logs that they received a message from a transport claiming to be under attack from a sith warship. You even get to see a cutscene, where he contacts an excited Carth/Cede who promptly orders the Harbinger to investigate and bring the Ebon Hawk back to Telos.

 

Second, I've wondered about who all those (dead) people on the Ebon Hawk as well, but it might be that they are Sith soldiers who boarded the Ebon Hawk from the sith warship and were then killed in combat. Where 3C-FD came from is completely beyond me, though.

 

i assume the underwear thing is how they are kept in kolto tanks. Since Exile was drugged in the kolto tank and brought on board the Ebon Hawk from there, HK-50, if he is indeed the one to take Exile onto the Ebon Hawk, wouldn't have bothered with getting clothes on the Exile.

 

Um, it says they both picked-up a distress call and they picked-up a Sith firefight on their scanners.

 

The dificulty i see with the notion they are Sith bodies is this; the Ebon Hawk was under attack when the distress call was sent out. When the Harbinger intercepted, it was said to be empty and have passengers. Anyway, there was no indication the Sith boarded the Ebon Hawk, and even if they did, it would mean they got killed by something on the ship. What would have been able to kill those Sith assassins? And if the assassins were killed by something on the ship, where did that something go? It is possible T3 did and got so damaged doing so. Also, the Harbinger crew took everyone, bodies and all, off the Ebon Hawk to do autopsies, which the medical officer spoke of so who is that dead person on the Ebon Hawk?

 

There is also the question of how T3 knew to back to the Ebon Hawk to find Exile and got back onto the Ebon Hawk being a shambles if he was taken off by the Harbinger crew to study in their attempts to figure out what happened.

 

 

All the Sith smuggle themselves, Kreia sneaks in and hauls the Exile onto the Ebon Hawk, which is then fired on again as the Sith overtake the Harbinger and eventually the freighter is floating about in an asteroid field near Peragus.

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Um, not quite. It is said to be HK-50 who put Exile into a cargo hold on the Harbinger and then bring Exile onto the Ebon Hawk. So it is unexplained how Kreia knew HK-50 would take Exile to the Ebon Hawk in the first place. Not only that, if the Ebon Hawk was damaged when the Harbinger took it, why would it then have been the ship of choice for esacpe, especially since HK-50 would not have known of its space worthiness, its specs, nor presumably, how to pilot the ship in the first place? *Enter Atton*

 

Atton, I've been a little curious as to how he survived and the others didn't, but the security officer pinned him in there when he installed that override switch, and I guess as a result he saved his life. He could have gotten there by way of a traveling freighter and once he was there he somehow got busted (pazaak? lol) and wound up in that cage until the Exile showed up.

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IIRC, there is a log where the security chief talks about the droids going crazy and then mentions that he set up extra precautions around the cell (where Atton is captured) in order to prevent anything from happening there. Ironically Atton survives because they locked him down tightly...

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He does, but HK-50 was controlling the droids in the control room, so it would not have been difficult to kill Atton. They obviously could open doors and the like since they got into the control room during the lock down.

 

 

HK-47: "...Recollection: The last thing I remember is having my core wiped from the last five years. I believe my master was responsible.

 

"from the last 5 years" that would be everything from the begining of KotOR until the start of KotOR II. So the question still begs, who deleted the years since Revan did leave even if Revan deleted the year previous to her/his leaving?

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I guess those five years may be relative. We're not sure when Revan abandoned the droids, but then we're also not sure how long HK-47 has been shut down. He may simply mean the number of years he recollects having been erased, but not those during which he was shut down. So it really is difficult to say.

 

i thought that would be why too, but after deliberation i realized he would know what year it is when he talks with Exile about it, wouldn't he? And it isn't really possible for him to have been shut down longer since we know he was active during the events of KotOR.

[Hekate]

Nobody. He's not any arms or such when you find him, he's just damaged beyond repair in some critical areas. He was likely just damaged a lot during the confrontation with the Sith warship, methinks.

 

i just checked from a save and it said he is missing the 4 parts. It also said he seems older and more corroded than the other HK units, but that is vague and doesn't explain how long his parts have been missing. Maybe HK-50 fried him, threw his parts out the airlock, then locked him in the storage room. But that theory also doesn't work since the cut content states neither series of HK can hurt eachother...

 

 

I see T3 displaying that hologram as an analogy to R2 displaying Leia's to Luke in episode 4. He did not intend to, but as a droid he did not have the option of denying it was there, so he showed it and then made up some silly story about it. Besides, displaying the hologram is a way of saying, "look, I'm not making this up, see? But that's all I know about it..."

 

True. But he won't tell Exile if Exile doesn't have enough influence with him. And Exile was asking T3 how he and Kreia got to be on the Ebon Hawk which doesn't explain that fact at all. It does work as a distraction tactic as you stated, but it doesn't explain how T3 and Kreia got onto the Ebon Hawk in the first place, which is what Exile wanted to know, so why would T3 reveal that information when it wasn't necessary and could lead to information on Revan leaking out?

 

 

You people are just so mean - it's all nasty rumors, I tell you... Honestly! 

 

"If I am being mean it's because I care"

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Riiiiggghht...

 

Rule #48 "The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife."

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You'd prefer a dull knife? Ooo how kinky

 

 

 

Oh, I must have remembered it wrong. It does happen...  :">

 

Nah, there must be some other explanation...

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Right. A few options:

 

- Yes

- No!

- I wanted to confuse the enemy.

- "To get to the other side"

- "42"

 

 

42! i should have known...

 

That also doesn't explain how Kreia nor that extra dead body just lying there got on board the Ebon Hawk .

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Could have been a sith boarder or a crewmember from the Harbinger trying to escape the sith assault on the Harbinger, and he was killed when the Ebon Hawk was crippled when it tried to escape. Perhaps the life-support system was hit and he suffocated, while we know that Kreia could have simply used her Force Breathing technique.

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It couldn't have been a Sith assassin for the reasons described in my previous post, unless the assassin came on board the Ebon Hawk after the Harbinger was attacked, but then who/what killed this person? That it could have been a Republic soldier is possible, or one of the civilans picked-up with Exile is possible too.

 

So what was Kreia talking about when she told Exile she saved her/him? She states she found Exile and is responsible from saving her from the Sith...

[Hekate]

c) Considering that we then learn that his specialty was assassinating jedi, it's just too convenient (for me) to believe that he just happened to be on Peragus. Frankly I find it silly to believe that the emergency lockdown would keep Atton safe from HK.

 

Personally I like the idea of Atton working for Sion best. Honestly, both characters represent ambivalence (wanting the force to live vs. to die). I mean, just look at Sion: his very flesh is torn between living and dying.

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i don't buy for one second that Kreia and Sion aren't in it together from the begining. There is no reason why he would have let her live after cutting of her hand if he had wanted to kill her. She was on the floor at his mercy. Then what, he skips away while whistling? Kriea could easily have wiped the foor with him, as we later see. None of that makes sense. So if Sion is working for Keia, that would make it possible that Atton was the intended pilot for the Ebon Hawk from the begining, and that is why he was on Peragus and safely locked away while HK-50 meticulously killed off every single other person, HK-50 belonged to Kreia. Since as G0-T0 said some HK-50s belong to individuals and not all to him nor the Republic. So there is no way Atton would have been safe from HK-50, especially since HK-50 had all the codes and voice print ids required to move around Peragus at will. He set the whole thing up from the get go so he most likely left tactical ways for him to get around if he needed to. Don't know how Atton got there though. Either Peragus was the rendez-vous point, he was on the Sith ship with Kreia and Sion from the get go, or he was picked-up along the way, but then again, who flew the ship while T3 was shut down? If it was drifting, it would have been drifting very slowly since it had no power which means the pilot programmed the Ebon Hawk to fly to Peragus to begin with. And who turned T3 back on? Bizzare.

 

Sorry about the multiple posts. i thought it was important to keep the quotes intact so i had to split the responses.

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[Zelean]

[i don't buy for one second that Kreia and Sion aren't in it together from the begining. There is no reason why he would have let her live after cutting of her hand if he had wanted to kill her. She was on the floor at his mercy. Then what, he skips away while whistling? Kriea could easily have wiped the foor with him, as we later see. None of that makes sense.

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How do you explain that you find them both on Malachor V, then?

 

Kreia might have been at his mercy on Peragus, but she knew quite well Sion had no desire/strength to kill her. Sion who I think is the most troubled antagonist in a game, never wanted Kreia dead. He wanted her to love him, approve of him, commend him.

Sion would never have let go and died if he didn't grow to love and respect the Exile either. DS Exile at least. I wonder if Atton's sacrifice was meant for LS Exile, which would be relevant only if Atton was to Sion what Visas is to Nihilus.

 

I think Sion is very well described by the following (his Ring being immortality given to him by the force, btw.):

"He will never be rid of his need for it. He hates and loves the Ring, as he hates and loves himself."

[Mellypie]

Um, not quite. It is said to be HK-50 who put Exile into a cargo hold on the Harbinger and then bring Exile onto the Ebon Hawk. So it is unexplained how Kreia knew HK-50 would take Exile to the Ebon Hawk in the first place.

 

Um, the HK-50 did put the Exile in the Cargo hold, but it was Kreia who took her onto the Ebon Hawk. Kreia says: "Whatever occurred on board the Harbinger had rendered you unconscious. Though your thoughts were faint, I was still able to find you... sealed in one of the cargo holds."

 

The HK-50 just followed Kreia to the Ebon Hawk.

 

And as far as Atton freighting fuel, if he had violated the weapons ban and been arrested do you honestly think the crew of his ship (which is probably a Telos freighter and rather large) would wait for him? I still don't believe he was there to pick up the Exile.

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[Jediphile]

And as far as Atton freighting fuel, if he had violated the weapons ban and been arrested do you honestly think the crew of his ship (which is probably a Telos freighter and rather large) would wait for him? I still don't believe he was there to pick up the Exile.

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Nor do I. HK-50 (masquerading over the comm as one of the crew) has a conversation with Coorta about the planned transport for the Exile. That always gave me the impression the ship had not arrived yet, while Atton had already been locked up before the droids started going crazy.

[DAWUSS]

I think there was more in the Ebon Hawk in the prologue than Kreia, HK-50, the Exile, T3-M4 and 3C-FD. There are broken droids all over the place (including an EG-6 Power Droid, seen in the CGW), and IIRC there may have been a broken droid in the c

[Mellypie]

The broken droids may have been cleanup/fixing/scanning crew from the Harbinger.

 

As for Atton I found something else that puts a dent in the "Atton there for the Exile" theory. When asking Atton in that first conversation you have with him, while he's still in the force cage, what's been going on at the station, Atton says: " You mean before or after that Jedi showed up?" Which shows Atton was on Peragus before the Exile showed up.

[Zelean]

As for Atton I found something else that puts a dent in the "Atton there for the Exile" theory. When asking Atton in that first conversation you have with him, while he's still in the force cage, what's been going on at the station, Atton says: " You mean before or after that Jedi showed up?" Which shows Atton was on Peragus before the Exile showed up.

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Haha, not good enough, I say.

 

You're presuming that the Ebon Hawk just happened upon Peragus.

True though, I'm no expert on sub-space travel.

[Hekate]

How do you explain that you find them both on Malachor V, then?

 

Kreia might have been at his mercy on Peragus, but she knew quite well Sion had no desire/strength to kill her. Sion who I think is the most troubled antagonist in a game, never wanted Kreia dead. He wanted her to love him, approve of him, commend him.

Sion would never have let go and died if he didn't grow to love and respect the Exile either. DS Exile at least. I wonder if Atton's sacrifice was meant for LS Exile, which would be relevant only if Atton was to Sion what Visas is to Nihilus.

 

I think Sion is very well described by the following (his Ring being immortality given to him by the force, btw.):

"He will never be rid of his need for it. He hates and loves the Ring, as he hates and loves himself."

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Finding them both on Malachor V indicates to me they are in on it together, especially since he so easily takes her commands. i thought on Peragus Sion's arrival was way too convenient, and it was very polite of him to wait until they went to him and for him not to chase after Exile and Atton after defeating Kreia. Kreia makes it back on her own with that intence painful injury, and Sion decides he'll wait until they fly away to kill all of them when he could have killed Kreia right infront of him. Seems way too planned and well acted upon. And if he really was after Kreia, he would have gone after her the whole time and not waited for them on Korriban.

 

And i agree he never wanted Kreia dead. So he followed her orders as he pointed out on Malachor V, so he could earn her respect and acceptance again. What i don't get is why Exile thought that Sion could give up the Force when Exile was told the only thing holding Sion together is his willpower. If he let go of the Force, he'd have killed himself, which happened anyway.

 

See, i don't think Kreia was at his mercy at all in reality. She said her hand being cut off was necessary. The only way i could think of to make it necessary is to convince Exile their bond is lethal. Stage a little show for Exile with conveniently partnered-up Atton who adds to the believability, Sion slices off Kriea's hand and bam! that makes one convinced Exile.

 

In a different thread in the cannon Exile debate, i compared how Atton and Sion are almost what the other could have become if they had been affected by Malachor V differently, and in a sense, they also are what the other is. Atton is ugly on the inside while Sion is on the outside. Sion doesn't manipulate and lie. He is just Sion. Atton is the manipulator, deserter, and the one who doesn't know himself. They are equally monsters both created by the MSG activation on Malachor V, both by-products of Revan's orders handed down to Exile to execute.

 

That is an astute observation about Sion and his immortality being like the one ring from The Lord of the Rings.

 

 

Um, not quite. It is said to be HK-50 who put Exile into a cargo hold on the Harbinger and then bring Exile onto the Ebon Hawk. So it is unexplained how Kreia knew HK-50 would take Exile to the Ebon Hawk in the first place.

 

Um, the HK-50 did put the Exile in the Cargo hold, but it was Kreia who took her onto the Ebon Hawk. Kreia says: "Whatever occurred on board the Harbinger had rendered you unconscious. Though your thoughts were faint, I was still able to find you... sealed in one of the cargo holds."

 

The HK-50 just followed Kreia to the Ebon Hawk.

 

And as far as Atton freighting fuel, if he had violated the weapons ban and been arrested do you honestly think the crew of his ship (which is probably a Telos freighter and rather large) would wait for him? I still don't believe he was there to pick up the Exile.

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i was basing my disagreement on what Hassat Hunter posted having to do with the jounal logs that said HK-50 brought Exile to the Ebon Hawk. And then on HK-50's 3rd person explanations which he uses when speaking of himself. But i forgot Kreia does say that. i don't see why she would have let HK-50 follow her nor get on the vessel if he wasn't working for her. Who to believe????

 

i can see that. But wouldn't he have been in a uniform? i doubt he would have been an indi on a commercial fuel freighter. Also, why would he violate the weapons ban if he were part of a commercial crew? i doubt the captain would have allowed that. The other issue is if he really was that concerned about Peragus blowing up, then why would he have brought anything that could cause harm? He did mention it lots of times. Could have been a cover-up, i suppose, but it's not as if Exile was interogating him on the matter. He refused to answer anyway. Also i find it a bit difficult to see Atton doing honest work like that. That is why i find the feul freighting hard to believe.

 

Nor do I. HK-50 (masquerading over the comm as one of the crew) has a conversation with Coorta about the planned transport for the Exile. That always gave me the impression the ship had not arrived yet, while Atton had already been locked up before the droids started going crazy.

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That would depend on who Atton was working for. Plus weren't those holologs a few days old already? i don't remember...

 

 

I think there was more in the Ebon Hawk in the prologue than Kreia, HK-50, the Exile, T3-M4 and 3C-FD. There are broken droids all over the place (including an EG-6 Power Droid, seen in the CGW), and IIRC there may have been a broken droid in the c

[Zelean]

And i agree he never wanted Kreia dead. So he followed her orders as he pointed out on Malachor V, so he could earn her respect and acceptance again. What i don't get is why Exile thought that Sion could give up the Force when Exile was told the only thing holding Sion together is his willpower. If he let go of the Force, he'd have killed himself, which happened anyway.

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I'm not sure I understand you completely. Basically because I think you answered your own question yourself.

 

Sion only had to embrace the idea that there is no truth in the force. By denying the force he would be denied immortality. It's a frightful thing to possess knowledge of your own demise and be possessed by it, I reckon.

I'm sure Sion not only hated the non-death state he was in, but also that he didn't want his suffering/death go wasted. The Exile was the catalyst for him to let go. Sometimes such things turn out to be just as simple as that in life. I like to think of Sion as the Exile changing his mind when cutting away from the force as SMG goes off on Mal V, stuck in the tunnel of death.

 

 

In a different thread in the cannon Exile debate, i compared how Atton and Sion are almost what the other could have become if they had been affected by Malachor V differently, and in a sense, they also are what the other is.

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The very reason why I believe them to be on the same team.

 

 

Ayup. There were droid bits and at least one extra body with that annoying banging going on from the storgage room IIRC. i doubt they were Sith as i stated before, and they could have been Republic soldiers/droids, but why they would have been on there while the Harbinger was under attack isn't clear. If they were, and the Sith had killed them, than why did they let the Ebon Hawk escape? That seems odd to me. The crew quarters were magnetically sealed, so who knows what was in there? Atton, perhaps?

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I totally forgot about that sealed crew quarters! Surely it was not just a developers' whim to seal one door. Same as that door on Telos I was trying to open like madman only to read it leads to nowhere (meant to be droid factory).

Hmm

[Hekate]

I'm not sure I understand you completely. Basically because I think you answered your own question yourself.

 

Sion only had to embrace the idea that there is no truth in the force. By denying the force he would be denied immortality. It's a frightful thing to possess knowledge of your own demise and be possessed by it, I reckon.

I'm sure Sion not only hated the non-death state he was in, but also that he didn't want his suffering/death go wasted. The Exile was the catalyst for him to let go. Sometimes such things turn out to be  just as simple as that in life. I like to think of Sion as the Exile changing his mind when cutting away from the force as SMG goes off on Mal V, stuck in the tunnel of death.

i meant in Exile's trying to convince Sion to stop trying to fight him/her on Malachor V Exile tells Sion to let go of his need to stay connected to the Force because it is strength and to survive without relying on the Force is something Kriea respects. But that would kill him, so it didn't make sense to me why Exile was trying to convince Sion to find a new lease on life and a new strength and purpose in life using a method that would kill him.

 

The very reason why I believe them to be on the same team.

Do you think they were both working for Kreia all along too?

 

I totally forgot about that sealed crew quarters! Surely it was not just a developers' whim to seal one door. Same as that door on Telos I was trying to open like madman only to read it leads to nowhere (meant to be droid factory).

Hmm

[Mellypie]

But that would kill him, so it didn't make sense to me why Exile was trying to convince Sion to find a new lease on life and a new strength and purpose in life using a method that would kill him.

 

Actually, it does in a way. One of the dialog options after you beat him down for the last time indicates that: "What kind of life have you lived with the Force flowing through you? Was it worth living?" to which he responds "It was not. No matter how many I killed... there was no end to the pain... the blades the Force tore through my flesh. Kreia, she will try to break you, to teach you how far someone can fall. Her weakness... is you. {Beat} As you were mine. I am glad to leave this place... at last."

 

"I am glad to leave this place at last" I believe when he says "this place" is refering to life. And I think the Exile knew that, which is why s/he tries to convince him to let go of the Force.

[Zelean]

i meant in Exile's trying to convince Sion to stop trying to fight him/her on Malachor V Exile tells Sion to let go of his need to stay connected to the Force because it is strength and to survive without relying on the Force is something Kriea respects. But that would kill him, so it didn't make sense to me why Exile was trying to convince Sion to find a new lease on life and a new strength and purpose in life using a method that would kill him.

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Oh, I seeeee.

There is no strength in being dependant on something (even if it gives you strength/life, since it is not yours in the first place). To give up that something is to truly show strength. As strange as it sounds, sometimes to die means to live.

To die willingly, embrace death (life without the force) is what Kreia wanted from Sion. It was his final lesson. Even a Jedi Exile would want Sion to find peace, if only in rest. Besides, the Jedi don't consider death to be a bad thing.

 

 

Do you think they were both working for Kreia all along too?

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I don't even think Sion was working for Kreia. Sure, he followed her like a desperate puppy. But Kreia? No, she *never* wanted help from anyone. She's a true individualist. Remember how she greets all companions? 'But if they must come, use them.'

 

We can't even get volt/amperage differentials in appliances to run smoothly when in different countries, not even with those fancy doo-dad converters.

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Aaaaaarggh!

Good luck with converters for Japan and Cyprus (if you're not there already, that is)!

 

But the game would have been over pretty quickly if Atton wasn't such a crack pilot

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Imagine a conditional when Atton's health is less than 100%, he fails the escape with *game over* sign popping up followed by credits rolling.

Imagine what this board would look like then, if you will. :ph34r:

[Hekate]

But that would kill him, so it didn't make sense to me why Exile was trying to convince Sion to find a new lease on life and a new strength and purpose in life using a method that would kill him.

 

Actually, it does in a way. One of the dialog options after you beat him down for the last time indicates that: "What kind of life have you lived with the Force flowing through you? Was it worth living?" to which he responds "It was not. No matter how many I killed... there was no end to the pain... the blades the Force tore through my flesh. Kreia, she will try to break you, to teach you how far someone can fall. Her weakness... is you. {Beat} As you were mine. I am glad to leave this place... at last."

 

"I am glad to leave this place at last" I believe when he says "this place" is refering to life. And I think the Exile knew that, which is why s/he tries to convince him to let go of the Force.

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Mellypie, you're right about that. i forgot that was an option. It does make the others odd though. Thanks

 

Oh, I seeeee.

There is no strength in being dependant on something (even if it gives you strength/life, since it is not yours in the first place). To give up that something is to truly show strength. As strange as it sounds, sometimes to die means to live.

To die willingly, embrace death (life without the force) is what Kreia wanted from Sion. It was his final lesson. Even a Jedi Exile would want Sion to find peace, if only in rest. Besides, the Jedi don't consider death to be a bad thing.

 

Wel. that depends when you ask them . And you are right about sometimes giving something up is to show true strength, even moreso when it is one's life one is giving up.

 

I don't even think Sion was working for Kreia. Sure, he followed her like a desperate puppy. But Kreia? No, she *never* wanted help from anyone. She's a true individualist. Remember how she greets all companions? 'But if they must come, use them.'

 

i'm not sure about that since she goes to such lengths to keep Atton around. i always wondered why Atton is so important to her...

 

Aaaaaarggh!

Good luck with converters for Japan and Cyprus (if you're not there already, that is)!

 

Konichi wa! i can only imagine it.

 

Imagine a conditional when Atton's health is less than 100%, he fails the escape with *game over* sign popping up followed by credits rolling.

Imagine what this board would look like then, if you will.  :ph34r:

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Yeah, i can see that now... "I spent 50 bucks on this?!?!? Expletive, expletive, expletive...."