London 'incidents'

[Atreides]

^Because of YATTA! flashbacks.

[kirottu]

Yatta rules.

[Musopticon?]

Not that againmenthalh...imaghees...

[Walsingham]

What is Yatta?

[SteveThaiBinh]

It's Japanese for "I did it!".

 

How that's relevant is beyond me.

[metadigital]

People have to understand that Brit cops are not trigger happy, most of them dont even carry guns. The guy jumped a ticket barrier - so at the very least he was a fare dodger.

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The Transport Police have taken steps to control the escalating trend of British people to dodge fares ...

 

 

Seriously, though, has anyone heard from Nur? When I heard the news story, I wondered if he might have been visiting Stockwell ...

[Walsingham]

Now now Meta, just because he repeated almost verbatim views written in documents captured from terrorist hideouts in Birmingham does not make him a terrorist.

 

Actually, that IS a little harsh. I didn't get the feeling he was up for killing anyone, he just advocated it.

[Atreides]

Looks like Egypt's had some explosions too, sigh.

[jaguars4ever]

Appearancewise the only thing that should be banned is the ninja style veils. Totally suspicious...

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Of course if he were a proper ninja he'd never allow himself to be seen in the first place...and if by some stroke of luck you should see one, well, you'll never be able to report him as he'll totally flip out and kill you.

 

On Topic: Have the police been able to confirm what exactly the man they shot had on him?

[Calax]

aren't guns illegal in Britan? seems hiporcitical for poliece to carry them on patrol.

[Kaftan Barlast]

Now there are rapports of one of the train bombers detonating his backpack by fiddling with his mobile. This would suggest some competence in bomb manufacturing since its much more difficult to do than a handheld switch.

[Darth Flatus]

aren't guns illegal in Britan? seems hiporcitical for poliece to carry them on patrol.

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Not at all, they are the law enforcers, they should have lethal wepons in their arsenal. The point is moot as it is only a small proportion of officers that carry arms and they are part of specially trained firearm units.

[SteveThaiBinh]

aren't guns illegal in Britan? seems hiporcitical for poliece to carry them on patrol.

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There are 'armed response units' - most police don't carry guns, but armed police are only a short phone-call away. I would hate to see that change.

 

Everyone's saying the the attack two weeks ago was really professional and well-planned - because it worked - and the attack two days ago was really amateurish - because it didn't work. There may be absolutely no difference between them except that one lot screwed the wires too tight or mixed the explosives in the wrong proportions. Amateur bombers can succeed and professionals can screw up. Everyone was so quick to shout 'al-Qaeda al-Qaeda' after the first attacks simply because they were successful. I don't think it works like that, and 'a group linked to al'Qaeda' can actually mean a hundred different things.

 

The attempt on Thursday took place exactly two weeks after the first attack. Anyone going to London on the fourth of August?

[Darth Flatus]

IF i were a terrorist i wouldnt makes such obvious bombing patterns with the dates. Nor would i attack a city that is on high alert.

[SteveThaiBinh]

Unless you wanted to prove the point that no level of security is enough to stop you, which they very nearly did.

[Walsingham]

I should repeat that not knowing some of the details is one of the keys of good counter-terrorism. If we know what when wrong, then the terrorists know, and they WILL fix it for next time.

[Kaftan Barlast]

Just heard that the man shot to death yesterday was completely innocent, he didnt have a bomb nor was he connected to moslem extremists in any way.

 

 

 

I guess that makes him the first fatality of the attack.

[metadigital]

aren't guns illegal in Britan? seems hiporcitical for poliece to carry them on patrol.

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Police have a rulebook to adhere to when enforcing the laws that have been passed by the parliament of the country in a vote, and interpreted by a seperate legal hierarchy.

 

Terrorists are simply trying to kill innocent people, of any race, creed, colour, faith, age, dispostion or lifestyle. They are indiscriminatly killing people who are law-abiding and altruistically helping others in their society.

 

Your comments are facile and puerile.

[Walsingham]

Just heard that the man shot to death yesterday was completely innocent, he didnt have a bomb nor was he connected to moslem extremists in any way.

 

 

 

I guess that makes him the first fatality of the attack.

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Yup. But provided the officer concerned did it believing he was averting an explosion, I'm afraid it's just one of those cruddy things. It seems pretty daft to run from armed police when everyone knows how tense things are right now.

[Kaftan Barlast]

Yeah, but if a bunch of ordinary guys just start shouting at you and waiving their guns around, anyones natural instinct would be to run. The poor bastard probably never realised that they were civilian dressed police. Immigrants from totalitarian states are also in the habit of distrusting police for obvious reasons.

 

 

And I find that people's relationship to the police changes once theyve ended up on the wrong side of the baton.

[Walsingham]

Yeah, but if a bunch of ordinary guys just start shouting at you and waiving their guns around, anyones natural instinct would be to run. The poor bastard probably never realised that they were civilian dressed police. Immigrants from totalitarian states are also in the habit of distrusting police for obvious reasons.

 

 

And I find that people's relationship to the police changes once theyve ended up on the wrong side of the baton.

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Well, that's also true. I should add that I never meant to imply that being daft should be a capital offence in the UK. It's very sad, but i think given the scenario the officer made the right call.

[metadigital]

Yeah, but if a bunch of ordinary guys just start shouting at you and waiving their guns around, anyones natural instinct would be to run. The poor bastard probably never realised that they were civilian dressed police. Immigrants from totalitarian states are also in the habit of distrusting police for obvious reasons.

 

And I find that people's relationship to the police changes once theyve ended up on the wrong side of the baton.

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Well, that's also true. I should add that I never meant to imply that being daft should be a capital offence in the UK. It's very sad, but i think given the scenario the officer made the right call.

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Kaftan, regardless of the individual's own feelings on the matter, the British police must:

• announce they demands of the individual, i.e.: Stop!
  
• give a clear warning about what the consequences are, i.e. If you do not stop, we will shoot you!
  

The recent terror situation means that they no longer has direct instructions to shoot for the largest part of the offender (the chest), now those instructions have been countermanded and the police must shoot for the head, lest they allow a bomb to be detonated.

 

If five well dressed men with concealed weapons point a gun at you and say "Police, Stop!" and you jump a barrier and try to escape on a train, then you either have missed a few days' doses, or you are guilty.

 

Also, there is a need for the Police to make it clear to the general public what the reality of the current political situation is, meaning that plain clothes police may well demand that you stop (they ALL carry identification), and anyone acting suspiciously will be arrested and anyone resisting arrest in suspicious circumstances will be neutralised in the safest way possible for the greatest number of people.

 

Just like someone who drives a car in an escape-pursuit scenario is regarded by the traffic police as in control of a deadly weapon, and their life is forfeit unless they stop.

 

It's one of those crucial situations that test the entire social structure, I agree: a democracy has built into it the seeds of its own destruction.

 

As long as the police can prove beyond doubt that they acted in good faith, then this is an unfortunate 57th casualty of the London 7/7 bombs.

[Walsingham]

It seems he was from Brazil, and a tough area. Over there, no cops are regarded as safe, uniformed or not! I guess he was also feeling the cold more than we do 'cause back home its a lot hotter. A damn shame, really.

 

But like we've been saying, the point is not "Oh yea. Glad that happened." But "Crud. Well, at least we know the cops will do the right thing if they _are_ confronting a suicide bomber."

[metadigital]

It seems he was from Brazil, and a tough area. Over there, no cops are regarded as safe, uniformed or not!  I guess  he was also feeling the cold more than we do 'cause back home its a lot hotter. A damn shame, really.

 

But like we've been saying, the point is not "Oh yea. Glad that happened." But "Crud. Well, at least we know the cops will do the right thing if they _are_ confronting a suicide bomber."

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I echo your sentiments, obviously no-one can be happy about an innocent person dying, and that is why I say he is the 57th victim of the bombings from 7/7.

 

That said, you have to ask why the man was in Britain. Surely it is not such a strange concept for anyone with the means to travel to a country, especially one with a recent terrorist incident and on the highest alert possible, should aquaint themselves with the nature and manner of the customs there, especially the fact that the police aren't corrupt and represent a fair authority. (I have a work colleague from Brazil: isn't it the fifth largest economy in the world?)

 

It is a sad casualty to ignorance.