9-11 documentary

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update on the Pentagon crash:

 

  Looking further into this(as referenced by a smart mind, that doesnt show my point of view on this) there are a ridiculous amount of witnesses who did see a plane fly by their car(as it flew right by the freeway), and hit the pentagon.  Many hundreds actually.  As well as they did mention that a plane was heading towards DC on the news prior to it even getting there.  If this was a missile they wouldn't have mentioned it on the news as this would be too much of a risk for exposing of what happened.

 

  This makes the possibility of something other then a plane hitting the pentagon very small, even when weighed agianst the probabilities of things that happened that are questionable in the crash.

 

    But what is odd here, is most all of them saw the plane do an amazing 270 degree loop around, instead of coming at the pentagon straight on, and smack right into the least occupied, recently being renovated section of the pentagon with efficiency of that only the best pilots in history could have done.  The skill to pull these manuevers off is legendary pilot skill.  And the coincidence of the plane hitting an unoccupied section of the pentagon as result of such manuevers is also sketchy at best.

 

  Add in the supposed pilots were not noted to be very skilled in their flight schools.  This scenario of hijackers doing this gets even more unbelievable.

 

Which brings us to the cover up evidence of the video I pointed out.  At first I thought 'holy ****, are they really this incompetant?!' when I found this video.  But it's slowly coming over me that this was most likely a planned revealing of conspiracy theory fuel for spawning multiple claims, only to make the true evidence when exposed barely looked at by any who still have the audacity to even pay attention anymore.

 

  Virtually no defense of any kind was made inside the most restricted air space in the US,  the P-56(the most guarded and secure airspace in the entire world) area around DC and the Pentagon despite the presence of combat ready aircraft at local bases. Nor were other defense measures, including surface-to-air missiles at the White House and Pentagon deployed. There was a stand-down on 9/11.

 

  Information was known about 30 minutes prior to the DC plane hitting the Pentagon that it was indeed heading for DC.  The White House, and the pentagon both have ground to air missile systems.  These were not used to take the jet down.  This was one of the main variables that made me consider it highly possible that a missile hit the pentagon.

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Freedom Files has a nice little bit on the Pentagon. I don't really have the knowledge to say if their analysis make any hard sense or not....but given brief searches they seem to. There was a Titan firetruck not even in civilian airports prior to the crash at the pentagon, made specificially to fight aircraft fires, which is why they modded it from military tech to put in airports. Sitting there....apparently because the pres was making a trip out their in helicopter six or so hours later. <shrugs>

 

The real interesting bit for me though, was the analysis of the wreckage. What they say is it was one of the Navy's experimental unmanned aircraft, painted to look like a jetliner....or one of the aircrafts that this tech is based on.

 

 

Like I said, not really any way to tell if it's true or not....but it is 'interesting'.

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"makes for little nice conspiracy but just how does the government cover up all the civilians supposedly died in the first plane? or they make up all the relatives who grief over the loss too?"

 

Funny how the quoted statement of mine above this comment is the most circumstancial and debatable in my entire post. Coincidence? lol

 

Anyway, who knows. Many are begining to piece together the 9-11 puzzle. ince common people dont have the resources the people who SHOULD be investigating this have(FBI CIA etcetc) it takes longer. And you'll have many false claims. Like I said, the pentagon tape IMO was released to make false claims. They knowingly make some info sketchy to make the information and claims so cluttered the truth is often looked over, or not looked into at all by the time it is uncovered.

 

You could probably imagine just about anything I can. But I'm pretty sure it was a plane that hit the pentagon...

 

"Product of the Cosmos, the link does not work for me either, so i can't comment much. but this (or a similar vid. i wont know since i don't get to watch the one you put up) has been brought up in codex and was soundly disproved later."

 

lol. Soundly disproved to some people means situation: FALSE on the top of the webpage. lmao. Too bad that video is taken down. =P

[Product of the Cosmos]

Someone inquired what would happen to the passengers of the flights...

 

First, how about who they were.

Summary of Flight 77 passengers:

 

* Total passengers: 64

* Passengers involved in gov

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Charles F. Burlingame III, 51, of Herndon, Virginia, was the Captain of Flight 77, an aeronautical engineer, and a former Navy fighter pilot.

 

 

 

A graduate of the Naval Academy and the Navy's Top Gun fighter pilot school in Miramar, Calif., Mr. Burlingame accepted a position 12 years ago with American Airlines, where his wife, Shari, is a flight attendant.

 

At Dulles Airport, Capt. Charles Burlingame, who had been a Navy F-4 pilot and once worked on anti-terrorism strategies in the Pentagon, was steering his 757, American Airlines Flight 77, down the runway for the long flight to Los Angeles.

 

Like many military pilots, Burlingame considered the most difficult job to be landing an F-4 fighter jet on the deck of an aircraft carrier as it pitched at sea in the dark of night. After he left the Navy, Burlingame was hired by American Airlines in 1989.

 

Navy Vice Adm. Timothy Keating said Burlingame, who trained many pilots, "could make the jets talk. He could fly."

 

Friends and family remembered him as a man who was unabashedly patriotic, who embraced military life even after he retired from active and reserve duty. He remained active in the reserve, working until 1996 as a liaison in the Pentagon (where he had worked for most of his 17 years as a Naval Reserve officer).  When his plane went down Tuesday, it ripped through a section of the building that includes the Navy Reserve offices.

 

Mark Burlingame said his brother was in the Navy Reserve and had worked in the same area of the Pentagon where the airliner crashed.

 

He planned to celebrate his 52nd birthday by attending a California Angels baseball game in Anaheim last Wednesday. When he learned he couldn't get a good seat for the game, he told his wife, Sheri, not to join him aboard the ill-fated flight.

 

Burlingame's father, Charles F. Burlingame Jr. (75), joined the Navy at the age of 17 and had a 23-year military career in the Navy and Air Force. His mother, Patricia A. Burlingame, who died 10 months before her son, was a nurse and medical technician, according to their obituaries.

 

"One of the true ironies of this crash is that it was into the Pentagon, where he worked for many years as a naval reserve officer," said Burlingame's brother, Brad, a tourism executive in West Hollywood, California. "The people that perished in that crash could very well have been friends and colleagues of his."

 

Debra Burlingame, sister of Charles Burlingame, "The fact is, it wasn't our government who killed my brother and 3,000 people," she said. It was 19 hijackers and their sponsors.  Burlingame was one of those who protested Bush's reluctance to appoint the Sept. 11 commission in the first place. She joined a vigil outside the White House, carrying a big sign that said, "My Brother's Murderers Were Listed in the San Diego Phone Book" -- as one of the hijackers was.

 

"We wanted to assure people that if there was any chance of saving that plane, this was the kind of guy who would have been able to do that," she said. "This was a guy that's been through SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape) school in the Navy and had very tough psychological and physical preparation."

They spread the word about Burlingame's experience as a fighter pilot for eight years, and a reserve officer who worked for the assistant secretary of defense during the Persian Gulf war.

 

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, D.C., a senior clinical adviser with the Office of the Surgeon General.

 

Worked with the secretary of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general, addressing racial and ethnic disparities in health.

A doctor who graduated from Marshall University School of Medicine in his hometown of Huntington, W.Va. Ambrose had completed a masters degree in public health at Harvard University 2 years ago. He was more than halfway through a fellow with the Association of Teachers of Preventive Medicine and was working directly with the Surgeon General on a number of health issues. "This guy was spectacular," says longtime friend Erin Fuller. "He could've been surgeon general of this country."

 

Yeneneh Betru, 35, of Burbank, CA, director of medical affairs with IPC.

 

Dr. Betru was IPC's Medical Affairs Director since June of 2000.  He received his Medical Degree from the University of Michigan Medical School. He was a Board Certified Internist.  Dr. Betru was a pioneer in the hospitalist movement and he personally trained hundreds of hospitalists.

 

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, CA, worked in the Strategic Alliances group at Cisco Systems Inc.

 

Cisco also lost a valued family member that day. Suzanne Calley, who worked in the Strategic Alliances group at Cisco, was flying home aboard American Airlines Flight 77.

 

William E. Caswell, 54, Silver Spring, MD, physicist,  was a senior scientist for the U.S. Navy, retired Army.

 

A third-generation physicist whose work at the Navy was so classified that his family knew very little about what he did each day.

They don't even know exactly why he was headed to Los Angeles on the doomed American Airlines Flight 77.

"It was a trip he often took," his mother, Jean Caswell, said Friday. "We never knew what he was doing there because he couldn't say. You just learn not to ask questions."

 

In 1983, Bill's career took an abrupt turn when he moved to the Naval Surface Weapons Center in Silver Spring, Maryland, to work on applying artificial intelligence and nonlinear dynamics to signal processing problems. In 1985, he was invited by the navy to work as a civilian scientist on a major classified defense technology project.

 

After being drafted into the Army during the Vietnam War, he resumed his studies at Princeton University, where he received a Ph.D. in physics in 1975, specializing in elementary particle theory.

 

Survived by his wife  Jean, her son from a previous marriage, Sean O'Connor, and his 17-year-old daughter, Jennifer, a senior at a Silver Spring, Md., magnet high school.

 

Eddie Dillard, 54, of Alexandria, VA, a retired Marketing Manager with Philip-Morris.

 

His first job was with Southland Corp. in Dallas. He later opened his own 7-Eleven store in East Palo Alto, Ca., and then went to work for Phillip Morris, where he retired in 1997 as a district manager after 19 years of service.

In retirement he began a new career in real estate, buying and selling property throughout the U.S. He loved history, reading newspapers, and playing dominoes and bid whist.

 

Survivors include his wife Rosemary; son Edrick; two brothers and a sister.

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Charles Droz III, 52, of Springfield, VA, vice president of software development for EM Solutions Inc. and retired Lieutenant Commander, Navy.

 

Charles was vice president of software development for EM Solutions, a professional services firm in Arlington, Virginia, that specializes in information technology, systems engineering and enterprise management software solutions. Droz was on American Airlines Flight 77 on a business trip to Los Angeles when the plane crashed into the Pentagon.

 

Prior to joining EMSolutions, Mr. Droz spent 20 years in the U.S. Navy, where he developed high capacity signal processors, multi-processor application software and innovative signal processing algorithms. He engaged in system engineering consulting, development of geographically distributed, web-based systems, and development of an ARPA project demonstrating rapid object-oriented application development through frameworks, components, and application templates.

 

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm.

 

Charles was a software engineer for ECOlogic. He helped develop software to evaluate the effects of the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill and was working on a project for NASA.

 

Wilson "Bud" Flagg, 63, of Millwood, Virginia, a U.S. Navy Admiral and pilot with American Airlines before his retirement.

 

A graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, he went on to flight training and was designated a Naval aviator. He was deployed three times to Southwest Asia on the USS Oriskany, two of them combat cruises. He left active duty in 1967 and joined American Airlines and the Naval Reserve.

 

As a Naval Reserve officer, he commanded two F-8 squadrons and two augment units, U.S. Naval Air Forces Eastern Atlantic and Reserve Readiness Command Region Two. He served in the Pentagon as special assistant to the deputy assistant secretary of the Navy for reserve affairs and as assistant chief of Naval operations for air warfare. He also served as assistant chief of staff, readiness and training, on the staff of commander Naval Air Forces U.S. Atlantic Fleet, and as deputy for reserve affairs on the staff of commander in chief, U.S. Atlantic Fleet. He was promoted to rear admiral in 1986 and retired in 1995 with two stars. He retired in 1998 from American Airlines as a captain, flying international flights.

 

Mr. Flagg graduated from the Naval Academy in 1961 and in 1962 became a Navy pilot and started flying the F-8 Crusader jet. He had three tours of duty in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam conflict. He left active duty in 1967 after having logged more than 3,200 flight hours on the F-8, more than any other pilot.

He joined American Airlines and the Naval Reserves F-8 Squadron VF-201. He was commanding officer of Naval Reserve F-8 squadrons VFP 206 and VFP 6366, commander of the Naval Reserve Readiness Command Region II, and assistant chief of naval operations-air warfare.

He was special assistant to the Honorable Fred Davidson, deputy assistant secretary of the Navy. He was tapped for flag rank in 1986 and received his first admiral

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Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding.

 

Karen joined the firm in 1993 and was a member of the firm

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Barbara Olson, 45, Great Falls, VA, an author, legal analyst and former federal prosecutor and congressional lawyer, a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN, and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson.

 

She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

 

Former federal prosecutor Barbara Olson served as the Chief Investigative Counsel to the U.S. House of Representatives' Committee on Government Reform and Oversight, where she spearheaded the investigation of the Clinton administration's travel office firings and eventually uncovered the explosive "filegate" scandal. She also served as the Principal Assistant General Counsel and Solicitor to the House.

 

She graduated from Cardozo Law School in New York and became a prosecutor in the U.S. attorney

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Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles CA, a propulsion engineer with Boeing.

 

Ruben was a lead engineer for Boeing Satellite Systems of El Segundo, Ca.  He earned a degree in computer engineering from the University of California at Los Angeles. At work he was known as Ornedo the Tornado for his hard work and diligence. For more than 15 years at Hughes and Boeing, he played a key role in projects that were of vital importance to the defense and security of the nation.

 

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, CA, an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

 

Robert was an electrical engineer who had worked for defense contractor BAE Systems in San Diego since 1990

 

Robert R. Ploger III, 59, of Annandale, VA, a software architect with Lockheed Martin Corp., U.S. Army (Ret.).

 

He served in the U.S. Army from 1960-1962 and graduated from the University of Denver in 1965. He helped develop the ARPANET (ARPANET was a large wide-area network created by the United States Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (ARPA)).  He retired from IBM in 1996 with two patents.  Robert worked for 20 years at Lockheed Martin, where he was a manager in the systems and software architecture department, said colleague Matt Kramer.

 

 

Lisa Raines, 42, Great Falls, VA, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997.

 

Ms. Raines was senior vice president for government relations at the Genzyme Corporation, a biotechnology company in Cambridge, Mass. She was flying from Washington to Los Angeles aboard American Airlines Flight 77 to attend a company sales meeting in Palm Springs, Calif.

Ms. Raines played a role in shaping virtually all of the laws affecting the biotechnology industry over more than a decade, including laws that strengthened patent protection and accelerated the approval of drugs by the Food and Drug Administration. She was one of the earliest and most prominent lobbyists for the biotechnology industry.

 

Robert Speisman, 47, of Irvington, NY, executive vice president at Lazare Kaplan International in New York, a worldwide diamond manufacturer.

 

Rob had worked at Lazare Kaplan for 17 years and was also a member of its board. He was married to a daughter of Lazare Kaplan's chairman, Maurice Tempelsman. Mr. Speisman was also chairman of the board of trustees of the American Gem Society.  He was traveling from Washington to Los Angeles on business.

Rob is survived by his wife, Rena; his parents, Jack and Joyce; and three daughters, Tara, Brittany and Hayley.

His brother, teacher Steve Speisman, said the two were "soldiers for peace" in the 1960s.

His father-in-law and business associate is Maurice Tempelsman, longtime companion of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis.

 

Leslie a. Whittington, 45, of University Park, Md., was a professor at Georgetown University in Washington.

 

Whittington, her husband, Charles S. Falkenberg, and two daughters were leaving for a trip to Australia when American Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. They mailed postcards to family members from Dulles International Airport. Those postcards recently began arriving.

They were headed for Australia where Whittington was going to be a visiting fellow at the Australian National University in Canberra. She was an economist and associate professor of public policy at Georgetown University. She recently published a series of papers on the "marriage tax" and studied the economic role and status of women. She had taught a course entitled "Race, Gender and the Job Market" with 1984 Democratic vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro.

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Vicki Yancey, 43, Springfield, VA, a former naval electronics technician worked as a Department of Defense contractor with Vrendenburg Co. in Washington, D.C.

 

Vicki was on her way to Reno for a business conference but hadn't planned to be on Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon on Tuesday.

Yancey, a former naval electronics technician, worked for a defense contracting company and had planned to leave Washington earlier, but ticketing problems delayed her departure, her husband, David, told the Washington Post. She called her husband 10 minutes before the flight boarded, to tell him that she got a seat on the plane.

 

Vicki Costanzo Yancey loved politics; it says so on her Web site.

Mrs. Yancey, who grew up in New Jersey, was a typical middle-class mother of two, according to her husband, David -- but a mom who testified before the Senate Finance Committee, who once gave CNN's "Quote of the Day" and who was involved in activities from her daughters' schools to national politics.

Her Senate appearance, which she called on her Web site "the most interesting thing I have ever done," came in 1991 after she wrote to the Washington Post lamenting the loss of the one-income family.

She was asked to speak at a tax reform hearing about the struggles of the middle-class family. She delivered the CNN "Quote of the Day," led the Headline News, and was profiled by CNN and PBS.  Her quote: "Diving deeply into debt in our middle age is a very unappealing possibility."

 

At 22, she joined the Navy, becoming an electronics technician. She served for six years, four at Pearl Harbor. She and her husband married in Honolulu, where their first daughter was born.

 

Yuguang Zheng, 65, Beijing, China, a retired chemist.

 

Shuyin Yang, 62, Beijing, China, a retired pediatrician.

 

The couple was on their way back to China after an extended visit with their daughter in the Baltimore area. Mr.Zheng, a chemist before retirement, graduated from Nanjing University and majored in Analytical Chemistry. His wife graduated from Shanghai Second Medical University and was a retired pediatrician.

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sources:

 

CNN

 

9-11 victims website

 

Legacy.com Remembering America

 

DefendAmerica.mil

 

Boston Globe

[taks]

  To tell you the truth, I had a gut feeling something like this was going to happen at the hands of a group....  Unnamable, who the Bushes are part of.  This is irelevant to the evidence though. 

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this is the problem with nearly every one of your theories. ou have a gut feeling that there is a conspiracy, then you go find evidence to prove your theory rather than test it. testing a theory means, in a nutshell, "try to disprove it first".

 

you fail this every time, PoTC. when will you get it? just thinking you know what you're talking about doesn't cut it... get some education and learn how to perform REAL critical thinking.

 

btw, the plane did not hit only the first ring of the pentagon... it was on the ground first (it hit the helipad) and travelled into the 3rd ring. the photos CLEARLY indicate that AND, it's pretty easy to tell that a truck bomb did not do such damage.

 

sheesh, "conclusive" in only your eyes... keep banging that drum.

 

taks

[taks]

btw... Scientific Method explained...

 

taks

[taks]

    But what is odd here, is most all of them saw the plane do an amazing 270 degree loop around, instead of coming at the pentagon straight on, and smack right into the least occupied, ... *snip*

 

  Add in the supposed pilots were not noted to be very skilled in their flight schools.  This scenario of hijackers doing this gets even more unbelievable.

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uh, maybe, just maybe this is why they had to do the 270 loop around because they weren't skilled enough to drop the plane given their position prior to the loop around? you provide evidence contrary to your own position only one sentence after the conspiracy theory and don't even see it...

 

Pseudo-science is really easy to push off on people who don't know very much, and when it sounds good or supports some of their beliefs about the evil US government, etc. it will normally be readily accepted.

this is why PoTC doesn't like me. i'm educated (extremely educated) and informed. i get my news from more than one source - biased foxnews AND unbiased CBS AND unbiased CNN AND unbiased MSN AND the AP AND reuters AND... get the point? pseudo-science doesn't pass by me and i call him on it, regularly, and he whines. he'll whine about these latest three or four, too.

 

also, i'll admit, once he starts calling people stupid (often), i'll report him.

 

btw, the difference between what i'm doing here and an outright flame is that i'm attacking PoTC's methods... big difference.

 

taks

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"uh, maybe, just maybe this is why they had to do the 270 loop around because they weren't skilled enough to drop the plane given their position prior to the loop around? you provide evidence contrary to your own position only one sentence after the conspiracy theory and don't even see it..."

 

lol.. Military pilots noted amazing skill in this manuever. Not just a quandry. And if you had examined the facts of flight 77, you would see the flight pilot had amazing precision.

 

"this is why PoTC doesn't like me. i'm educated (extremely educated) and informed. i get my news from more than one source - biased foxnews AND unbiased CBS AND unbiased CNN AND unbiased MSN AND the AP AND reuters AND... get the point? pseudo-science doesn't pass by me and i call him on it, regularly, and he whines. he'll whine about these latest three or four, too.

 

also, i'll admit, once he starts calling people stupid (often), i'll report him.

 

btw, the difference between what i'm doing here and an outright flame is that i'm attacking PoTC's methods... big difference.

 

taks"

 

lol taks. Reason why I dont really like you is you follow me around with flames. You harrass me. Since the mods tightened up you just generally attack my methods as you put it nowadays. You rarely examine what I fully provide.. And you just come off as angry. Your posts are directed at ME, instead of what I am posting. And you ignore anything that doesn't apply to your pre-determined world. Your objective is to hurt/discredit me. Which is the reason why I'm not fond of you.

 

You rarely argue something in a post without looking at the poster.

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"btw, the plane did not hit only the first ring of the pentagon..."

 

Never said the plane only hit the first ring.

 

 

"it was on the ground first (it hit the helipad) and travelled into the 3rd ring. the photos CLEARLY indicate that AND, it's pretty easy to tell that a truck bomb did not do such damage."

 

Never said a truckbomb hit the pentagon. Never even hinted at that being possible.

 

"sheesh, "conclusive" in only your eyes... keep banging that drum."

 

Did you watch the video of the pentagon? A second is edited out. The date is wrong. And CNN manipulated the tape. That is conclusive. Now read who was on the plane. With your 'open mindedness' LOL what a joke.

 

"this is the problem with nearly every one of your theories. ou have a gut feeling that there is a conspiracy, then you go find evidence to prove your theory rather than test it."

 

I have been exposed to things you obviously cannot imagine taks. But that's irrelevant to you. So why don't you examine my facts with your self-claimed 'open mindedness and education'. And come to your normal conclusion of 'nothing to see here folks'. lol

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taks:

 

i'm interested to know what you (or anyone else who knows the science behind the theories in this site or others like it) think of this website:

 

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/french-911.htm

 

i cannot and will not try to prove or disprove whatever remarks are said; this is simply for the sake of curiousity.

[xanas3712]

I think the website is a concoction of materials I cannot currently verify from other sources. Also, I think the information presented is done such in a manner as to provide people with evidence to support already inspired conclusions. However, the idea that this could have been done, that a plane could be made smaller than an AA airliner and with smaller letters, etc. just seems insane to me.

 

The site also gives weight to the argument that Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor and allowed that to happen as well. It would take an incredible amount of time for me to research everything they present. No doubt the amount of "evidence" there is substantial, I just don't trust the authenticity of any of what they possess, and I certainly don't trust their explanations.

 

I'll leave the science to those who know about it directly, but honestly the conspiracy itself doesn't make sense. I don't think something of that level would have been required to produce the result (if the pentagon hadn't been hit and just the WTC had been I doubt anyone would have changed their mind). Furthermore, just the difficulty of hiding something like that from government officials, the idea that everyone at the top is some radically evil person, etc. It's not realistic. I don't have such a pessimistic worldview that I think everyone is out to get me, and unless I start putting a tinfoil hat on my head I don't see that occuring anytime soon. And why bother debunking something or spending time on it if it doesn't make sense from that perspective?

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Predetermined perspectives are overrated. Just look at the facts and have a perspective of probabilities is the way I work with stuff like this.

 

And did you look at the flight list for flight 77?? The one that supposedly hit the pentagon?

 

So this quote applies to you you would say xanas:

 

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."

-J Edgar Hoover

[xanas3712]

It is much more likely to believe the data here is fabricated than to think anything else. The simpler conspiracy is the more likely one.

 

I didn't see a source for all the passenger claims, some of which is available on other websites I found myself, some of which is only found on websites I don't find to be incredibly reputable. The information I don't know enough about. However, the idea that what would have to be several hundred thousand people are hiding something like you say is completely and totally preposterous.

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I didn't see a source for all the passenger claims

 

sources:

 

CNN

 

9-11 victims website

 

Legacy.com Remembering America

 

DefendAmerica.mil

 

Boston Globe

 

 

It is much more likely to believe the data here is fabricated than to think anything else. The simpler conspiracy is the more likely one.

 

Are you implying you have no desire to look into something like this further? A lot of the information about 9-11 that's out is due to families of the dead of 9-11 doing research because they care. lol. Seems like most people don't even care what happened 9-11, even if it will kill them in a couple years.. Amazing.. lol.

 

 

However, the idea that what would have to be several hundred thousand people are hiding something like you say is completely and totally preposterous.

 

How am I saying several hundreds of thousands of people are hiding this?

 

Break down how you came to that number, as it is exagerated IMO.