[BUG][CHEESE][STRATEGIES] Hauani O Whe - Stronger than the patch - I killed it with Essential Interruptes the "old" way ;)

[Chaospread]

Do you remember the times when you could kill Hauani O Whe with Essential Interrupter without it split?
Remember the patch where devs fixed it?
And now remember this moment: when I defeat Hauani O Whe with Essential Interrupter without it split AFTER the patch that fixed this!
See the video, particularly from this minute:

I suppose that you can hit Hauani with Essential Interrupter, than you have to kill it with a weapon/spell/ability/summon which you have never used before the FIRST hit with the bow.
Sometimes the trick doesn't work, I believe beacause I killed it with a weapon/spell/ability/summon already used before starting hitting it with Essential Interrupter, but I am not sure

Message for the devs: you can patch it again, I've managed to kill it also without CHEESE (and not by interrupting it ). 

Edited April 7 by Chaospread

[thelee]

4 hours ago, Chaospread said:

I suppose that you can hit Hauani with Essential Interrupter, than you have to kill it with a weapon/spell/ability/summon which you have never used before the FIRST hit with the bow.
Sometimes the trick doesn't work, I believe beacause I killed it with a weapon/spell/ability/summon already used before starting hitting it with Essential Interrupter, but I am not sure

i watched the video and i'm still not sure what happened. can you spell this out a bit more, because i'm not following your theory?

[Chaospread]

On 4/8/2025 at 1:15 AM, thelee said:

i watched the video and i'm still not sure what happened. can you spell this out a bit more, because i'm not following your theory?

I'll try to explain with some examples.

Case 1.
Hit H.O.W. with whatever you like, then hit it with Essential Interrupter, damage it with others weapons and/or spells and/or ability, then kill it with an arrow of Essential Interrupter --> expected behavior, a mob spawns (cause Essential Interrupter enchant), H.O.W. splits in two oozes and the combat continue.

Case 2.
Hit and kill H.O.W only with Essential Interrupter --> expected behavior, a mob spawns (cause Essential Interrupter enchant), H.O.W. splits in two oozes and the combat continue.

Case 3. (what happens in the video)
Hit H.O.W. with whatever you like, then hit it with Essential Interrupter, damage it with others weapons and/or spells and/or ability, optionally use again Essential Interrupter then kill hit with a weapon, spells, ability or a summon NEVER used BEFORE the first hit with Essential Interrupter --> bug, a mob spawns but H.O.W. doesn't splits and die, combat is over.

Case 4.
Hit H.O.W. with whatever you like, then hit it with Essential Interrupter, damage it with others weapons and/or spells and/or ability, optionally use again Essential Interrupter then kill hit with a weapon, spells, ability or a summon ALREADY used BEFORE the first hit with Essential Interrupter --> expected behavior, a mob spawns (cause Essential Interrupter enchant), H.O.W. splits in two oozes and the combat continue.
I experimented this case when I killed H.O.W. with a shot from a wurm, a summon who hit H.O.W. before starting hitting it with Essential Interrupter.

I'm not sure 100% about that, but this is what happened in my attempts, maybe the logic / bug is more complicated, but this can be a starting point to exploit it.

Edited April 9 by Chaospread

[Boeroer]

Does "never used before" mean

- never before in that fight against Huani

or

- never before during the whole playthrough

?

[Chaospread]

4 hours ago, Boeroer said:

Does "never used before" mean

- never before in that fight against Huani

or

- never before during the whole playthrough

?

In the fight against H.O.W., I'm sure because maybe I never used Storm of Holy Fire (or Magran's Favor or other weapons) during the run but fore sure I killed it with summons in one attempt and I used all chanter summons before this encounter.

[thelee]

if i'm not mistaken, in your video, it doesn't even look like a mob spawns after HoW dies?

[Chaospread]

4 hours ago, thelee said:

if i'm not mistaken, in your video, it doesn't even look like a mob spawns after HoW dies?

Oh yes, as I wrote in my previous post, and it was killed instantly by storm of fire.

Edited April 8 by Chaospread

[thelee]

I'm thinking that it might not have to do with an unused ability, but something special about rain of fire.

Rain of Holy Fire spawns in an area of effect that itself ends up spawning new projectiles inside as new spell effects (which is why it triggers Least Unstable Coil a lot), i wonder if this additional level of indirection interacts weirdly with whatever hack they put in place that would force HoW to split if killed while essence interrupter is active.

 

If this is true, then something like Meteor Swarm or Missile Salvo should do something similar.

Edited April 9 by thelee

[Boeroer]

Her Revenge and Avenging Storm (Druid as well as Stormspeaker) also trigger Least Unstable Coil multiple times like <official_name>Storm of Holy Fire</official_name>  does. Maybe worth investigating, too. Iirc "Her Tears Fell Like Rain" () does that, too (not 100% sure because I don't use it - hate its guts for undetermined reasons, maybe need counseling on that...).  

Edited April 9 by Boeroer

[Chaospread]

@thelee you are pointing in the right direction, I have tried also with Meteor Swarm and it works too. Those scrolls/spells work also if I use them hitting Hauani during the combat and then killing it with another spells or weapon or summon, but sometimes they don't work; and that's why I guess I need to kill it with a weapon/ability never used before the first use of Essential Interrupter in this fight... but I can be wrong, as @Boeroer said this should be investigated, maybe trying also with spells that trigger Least Unstable Coil multiple times...
But in my attempts I used i.e. Meteor Swarm/Storm of Holy Fire than killed Hauani with wurm or Magran's Flavor and they worked, indeed.
And, as in my video, they work if I kill Hauani with Meteor Swarm/Storm of Holy Fire scrolls.
I don't remember if I try to kill it without using those scrolls, I think so and actually it splits into two oozes the right way...