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I want to recycle this thread, since the title really encompasses the cipher, even if the initial question is for melee hehe

My doubts come with cipher but this time for ranged, the build is basically one of MaxQ (https://gist.github.com/v1ld/fd89b6092ec840e1cce87900fb0aaa85 )

4. ranged cc/dps - robe/hide/padded armor (early game), durganized robe (late game), Borresaine/Sabra Marie Warbow; wood elf; 15/7/18/18/17/3 (ok I only make one change, 1 point less than MIG to give 1 more point to INT, just that.).

My doubts come in that I am not sure what skills to put to this cipher, I already made a game with the one of enough hours, in fact I arrived at Stalwart of the first DLC, with “everything done” up to that point, that is, I did all the missions, including the bounty hunter, just leaving for the last part of the base game in the Burial Isle, that means I arrived at Stalwart with level 14, Adra dragon, the dragon of the sky and Concenlhault were already dead.

I was not clear at any time what skills to give this cipher (at each level up), I was putting what seemed right to me, if I followed the skills recommended by MaxQ in that build guide, even though I made a couple of changes by preference staff, but I had doubts about what to put:

- "Two-handed weapons" goes well when using a two-handed arc, right?
- "It's worth using weapon focus" for war bows (in this case, because I use that type of bow as indicated by the guide and it seemed brutal to me xD) to gain that precision, knowing that I play in difficulty "difficult"?, the prior to POTD.
- "Apprentice's Sneak Attack", how does it work exactly? When does your damage come into play? is it ok for this cipher?
- "Psychic Backlash" is recommended? I think it's a good skill, but I have NEVER taken it because somewhere I read that it was not worth it, however I can watch videos on google where this skill leaves the boss stuned constantly xD
"Any specific recommendations for armor?" Angio's and Blaidh Golan according to the situation is going well at play early / half right? I do not dare with light armor, the enemies go for me first, at the slightest carelessness I die xD even later there are light armor with good DR, so I end up using some.

In general I am not sure what skills to give the cipher, I like to put the one that increases the slots, because in the end between potions, scrolls and figurines I use all many item slots, my group consists of game characters, I like to follow his stories, even if he already knows them, are:

Eder -> It may not be a pure tank, but with the right equipment I have perfectly endured anything, it is a fierce xD

Aloth -> I am very used to it, it has CC magic especially at higher levels that help me a lot, and it does good damage, I always wear it with plate armor, but I use it at a distance, it would be better with plate and 1h + shield ? Any recommended combination of weapon and shield in that case?

Durance -> It is another essential for me, I endure a while with his initial armor, but then I put plates, and I always carry it with "Arquebuses", Durance is always next to my remote cipher for that reason, do you see it well? Would it be better to take it with a plate and 1h + shield? It seems to me that it performs quite well, but I need an opinion.

Hiravias -> Not long ago I tried the druid, and now it's another essential, in fact, Druid and Cipher are now my favorite classes hehe so Hiravias enters my group for its usefulness for both CC and area damage (as you call it ? DoA?)

Kana -> My off-tank, badge, 1h + shield and tank-focused skills in general (defenses, deflection, etc etc), dragon thrashed, just love the chanter, and Kana with the right equipment and skills practically endures me same as Eder, in fact it is curious how his deflection is placed above that of Eder reached a point xD

Ok that would be the group, plus my remote cipher, any recommendation regarding the skills (not cipher, of the others like the ones I set an example above) will be welcome, and any advice also, weapons on the partners, if better 1h + shield or other combination, etc.

Thank you!

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10 hours ago, davoker said:

- "Two-handed weapons" goes well when using a two-handed arc, right?

Doesn't work with ranged weapons in PoE (does in Deadfire).

Weapon Focus: +6 stackable passive accuracy is always worth it.

Apprentice Sneak Attack works exactly as the normal Rogue Sneak Attack. Just lower dmg bonus. It's good on a Cipher. 

Psychic Backlash: used to be limited per encounter but that got lifted in one of the latest patches. It now retaliates every time your Will gets attacked. It is absolutely devastating for any dragon because they attack your will every few seconds with their terrifying aura. If you add Brutal Backlash this can kill a dragon.

Skills are things like mechanics, survival, athletics etc. I guess you mean talents? 

 


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12 hours ago, Boeroer said:

Doesn't work with ranged weapons in PoE (does in Deadfire).

Weapon Focus: +6 stackable passive accuracy is always worth it.

Apprentice Sneak Attack works exactly as the normal Rogue Sneak Attack. Just lower dmg bonus. It's good on a Cipher. 

Psychic Backlash: used to be limited per encounter but that got lifted in one of the latest patches. It now retaliates every time your Will gets attacked. It is absolutely devastating for any dragon because they attack your will every few seconds with their terrifying aura. If you add Brutal Backlash this can kill a dragon.

Skills are things like mechanics, survival, athletics etc. I guess you mean talents? 

 

Yes, sorry for the confusion, my doubts are directed at talents, not skills hehe

If two-handed talent does not affect the bows, does it not affect other weapons at a distance? Arquebuses, etc.

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1 hour ago, davoker said:

Yes, sorry for the mistake, I meant talents, not skills.

If two-handed talent does not affect the bows, does it not affect other weapons at a distance? Arquebuses, etc.

It affects only melee weapons.

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https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Psychic_Backlash (Psychic Backlash)

This talent is broken? says one per encounter, but I kept Adra Dragon constantly stunned, it was quite funny because he didn't give it time or to take a breath, he was stunned all the time, I just had to deal with the mob while 2 other characters were dedicated to giving the Dragona, it fell quite quickly, in less than 1 minute xD (I have broken my own record, with a lot of haha)

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3 hours ago, Silvaren said:

Iirc it was changed to initial state when it worked without any limits.

Aa ok, thanks, then I can use it without fear, if it were the case that it is broken/bug, I would not use it hehe

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It got changed to unlimited procs with one of the latest patches - before it was just too weak. I guess devs simply forgot about dragon auras proccing it non-stop. If they hadn't those pulsing fear auras it wouldn't be so OP.


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On 2/21/2020 at 5:17 PM, Boeroer said:

It got changed to unlimited procs with one of the latest patches - before it was just too weak. I guess devs simply forgot about dragon auras proccing it non-stop. If they hadn't those pulsing fear auras it wouldn't be so OP.

It almost hurts to use it, it hurts for the bosses 😆, when I came to adra dragon with this talent, which is the first time I use it, I was speechless, literally the whole fight was stuned, I did not get to throw any breath and I think it did not even arrive to attack, he might attack once or twice with his head, but that's it, it was very easy to beat her, this talent is a lot of talent xD

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